Ben Shapiro Is Crying Again. | Candace Ep 261

Candace Owens: OK, 9-1-1, I want to report a blood libel. Blood libel. I've suffered a centuries old anti-black trope. That's how this works, right? Like if you're in the pro-Israel lobby and you deal with any sort of pushback or flack, you've got to fall to the ground and cry victim.

Candace Owens: Well, it's my turn now, you guys, because yesterday, Ben Shapiro, who was invited as a guest to join Megyn Kelly on her tour, he pretty much just goes mask down. And it's obviously hilarious. He just lies. It's so weird. He just has nothing. So he lies and tries to pressure Megyn to respond to the lies.

Candace Owens: All I can say is the pro-Israel lobby is down real bad. They are writing fan fiction. It's like BBNet and Yahoo fan fiction. And on that note, I sat down with a woman on CNN and it went about as bad as you might have expected. Fantastic clips that are making the rounds. So let's jump right back into this.

Candace Owens: Happy Friday and welcome back to Candace. I don't know what to say other than it was the purest form of anti-blackism that I've ever experienced. I mean it's obvious to me that Ben Shapiro is manifestly insane. Last night he was gripping the microphone as he would the neck of a black woman. I'm kidding.

Candace Owens: Obviously, those are not my quotes. Those are actually direct quotations from Ben Shapiro himself when he accuses others of anti-Semitism. Whenever he hears anything that he doesn't like about Israel, those are actually his words. This is a real live tweet from Ben Shapiro accusing any American Jew who is pro-Israel of being Israel first is a pure form of anti-Semitism. That was directed at Nick Fuentes, which we'll circle back to.

Candace Owens: Also, this was a real tweet directed at Ron Paul. Ron Paul is manifestly insane. As in previous debates, he is now gripping the pen as he would the neck of a Jew. Ron Paul, really? And this is another tweet. Perry had the memorable moments of the evening other than Ron Paul's corpse leaning forward from the grave and strangling the Jews.

Candace Owens: I don't know what's going on, man. I don't know what to say other than Ben is a funny guy. He is. He's never trying to be funny. He just is funny when he's being serious and he's being seriously angry about a topic. It's just something that I enjoy to watch.

Candace Owens: And last night he got on stage with Megyn Kelly and she had a tour stop in Florida. And I want to say I was kind of impressed with Ben because instead of doing his usual thing where he sends others to do his dirty work so he can keep his hands clean, he was like, "I'm going to peer pressure Megyn Kelly myself. I'm going to make her disavow me, make her disavow Candace Owens. I'm going to make her disavow Tucker Carlson by putting her on the spot and asking her to respond to things that Tucker Carlson never did and Candace Owens never did or said."

Candace Owens: And you really get to see it mask down because you saw this narrative circulating amongst people who were just absurdly making claims that I attacked Erica. And I know what these organic movements look like. I know how they operate behind the scenes. And I know Ben plays a part in this. So it was actually quite refreshing for me to be like, "Ah, now everyone gets to see what you are because you're saying stuff that never happened."

Candace Owens: So we'll start with what he said about Tucker Carlson. You should know Ben has a real thing for Tucker Carlson. I don't understand it. It is just, I don't know, it's been going on for a long time. There's something about Tucker Carlson that gets under his skin. I'm not clear on it. I would actually love to hear Ben speak about that. I mean, people at the Daily Wire, when they're leaving the Daily Wire, have to sign agreements that they're not going to go work for Tucker Carlson for six months. It's strange.

Candace Owens: Anyways, he jumps into this, explaining his upset that Tucker left him on read. I don't know. Tucker and him had a nice conversation on the day that Charlie Kirk died and Tucker then sent a nice text because Ben had called him. And I guess Ben thought there would be more of a follow up and there wasn't. So here is Ben complaining about that and then spinning it into the accusation that Tucker Carlson somehow supports Zoran Mamdani. I don't know. Take a listen.

[Audio clip plays of Ben Shapiro speaking]

Ben Shapiro: [in audio clip] So I texted him and I said, "Thanks so much for calling. It means the world. It truly does. Should we do a show together talking about the DSA threat, Democratic Socialist of America threat, and orienting in the same direction? Happy to do whatever it takes to bring everyone back together for the fight that matters." And Tucker then wrote back, "Thanks, man. I appreciate it. I'm going to spend the next week or two thinking about how to be most effective. The country is clearly on the brink." I reached out repeatedly after that. Nothing happened.

Ben Shapiro: [in audio clip] And again, I thought it was a good idea at the time. I think I felt differently after I saw what he did with Nick Fuentes and after he proceeded, in my opinion, to spend the subsequent weeks doing literally nothing to fight the left. Again, I say this with sadness because Tucker used to be, I think, a deeply important part of the conservative push to win.

Ben Shapiro: [in audio clip] The number of times that Tucker Carlson has mentioned Zoran Mamdani since October 5th on his show is once. And it was in the context of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson talking about the appeal of Zoran Mamdani. Just by way of contrast, not because I'm a perfect representative here, but because you've talked about Zoran Mamdani a lot. A lot of us have. Since October 5th, I did 17 separate shows on Zoran Mamdani, including four in the last week before the election. Because when you're orienting against the left, you really should orient against the left.

Candace Owens: So this just makes no sense. It makes entirely no sense. He's upset because I guess Tucker doesn't want to do a show with him in the future. A lot of stuff goes on in the background that you guys don't understand. So, OK, that's on Tucker. If Tucker doesn't want to collab with Ben, that's on him. Also, it's Tucker's platform.

Candace Owens: So what it means when you have your own show, which I don't know why the shock is, is you can talk about whatever you want. If Tucker wants to do six months and he just wants to cover sports, it's his prerogative and people can tune in or they can tune out. That's what the free markets mean. The free markets does not mean that the very same people who tried to artificially push Tucker out of the markets, the same people that applauded him being fired, the same people that have called him an anti-Semite, then get to dictate what he speaks about on his show. That actually just makes entirely no sense.

Candace Owens: It's not Tucker's responsibility. Tucker doesn't live in New York City. It's not his responsibility to use his platform to speak about Mamdani 17 times. It's very strange. But to the insinuation that Tucker somehow supported Mamdani and said nice things about him when he sat down with Marjorie Taylor Greene, here's actually what Tucker said with Marjorie Taylor Greene. And you be the judge of whether you think Ben is being an honest person when he describes it in the manner that he just did. Take a listen to Tucker.

[Audio clip plays of Tucker Carlson speaking]

Tucker Carlson: [in audio clip] It's interesting. You said a second ago that when people are really frustrated, when the system they live under fails them, they listen to voices that they shouldn't listen to or wouldn't listen to under any other circumstances. Like how did Al Sharpton get to be the leader of Black America or whatever? I mean, it's a thing. Desperate people tend to go to crappy leaders, I think.

Tucker Carlson: [in audio clip] And I just can get over what happened in our biggest city this week. The very same week that everybody in DC is focused thousands of miles away on the greatest threat we face, Iran's nuclear program. I don't want Iran to have the bomb. I'm not pro-Iran, obviously. No, we're not pro-Iran. Like, why do we have to say it? No, right, it's done.

Tucker Carlson: [in audio clip] But at the same time that everybody was looking to Iran, our largest city had a Democratic primary, effectively the mayor's race, and a 32-year-old socialist who wants government-run grocery stores gets selected. He's going to likely run our biggest city. Yeah. In the country. New York. And it's like, why did that happen? Is it because people are so desperate for government-run grocery stores or love socialism or love foreign-born midwits running their cities? Probably not.

Tucker Carlson: [in audio clip] That guy was the only person in the New York City mayor's debate to say he wanted to focus on New York City. They were all the candidates were asked, "If you could visit a foreign country, what would it be?" And they all, of course, all had an answer. I think most said Israel. Great. And he said, "I wouldn't go anywhere. I'd stay in New York. And like, if I want to meet Jewish constituents, I go to their synagogues, their homes or whatever. But I'd be here in New York because that's what I'm doing. I'm running New York. That's my job."

Tucker Carlson: [in audio clip] Well, he gave the right answer. He gave the right answer at least. And he's talking. I totally oppose his program. Absolutely. I don't think it works. But he's talking about economics.

Marjorie Taylor Greene: [in audio clip] Yep.

Tucker Carlson: [in audio clip] And everyone else is talking about foreign policy.

Candace Owens: So he said what I said. I am describing to you why Mamdani won. And you're angry that people are assessing why that happened. Doesn't matter how many times you call somebody an anti-Semite. People appreciated, it's very obvious, the fact that he was not focused on foreign policy issues when there's so many domestic ones to prove from. You gotta learn why you lose elections and it's not Tucker's job to get people elected, least of all in cities that he doesn't live in.

Candace Owens: Now, I want to also show you what Ben said about me because it's so outrageous and it's so dishonest that we actually should process what is happening here, okay? This is a watershed moment. Ben does not have it together. He is very insecure and he's going on the attack against Megyn Kelly by lying about what I said and then forcing her to react to the evil of what I never said. Here's what Ben said.

[Audio clip plays of Ben Shapiro speaking]

Ben Shapiro: [in audio clip] We're in a business where people comment on what we say publicly. Again, this is why I think you and I differ on our angle with regard to, for example, Candace Owens. I think that what Candace Owens is doing right now is evil. It is evil what she is doing right now.

Megyn Kelly: [in audio clip] Okay, and I say that again. But what, I don't know, pine on whether it's evil or not, but my position is it's really none of my business.

Ben Shapiro: [in audio clip] Why is it none of your business? I mean, you comment on these things for a living.

Megyn Kelly: [in audio clip] I'm not mother of the Internet.

Ben Shapiro: [in audio clip] No, but if this were on the left and somebody were accusing Charlie Kirk of his wife having murdered him, I assume that you would be talking about it.

Megyn Kelly: [in audio clip] Is that what Candace is accusing Erica of?

Ben Shapiro: [in audio clip] Yes. Of murdering her own husband? She's accusing TPUSA insiders and other members of the right wing, including Seth Dillon, of being involved in the murder of Charlie Kirk. Yes.

Candace Owens: It's just I don't even know how to respond to it because it just never happened. It's so crazy. He's not even anywhere near what's happened. Anybody who's watched this show, I actually was getting flack from my audience for not covering Erica's past or speaking about her parents. I said she gave one of the most consequential speeches. And I have focused my investigation on Turning Point USA and why they're telling certain lies.

Candace Owens: Seth Dillon, I told the truth that Seth Dillon lied about the Hamptons meeting and that he was pushing, he was pressuring Charlie about the topic of Israel. I never once accused Seth Dillon of murdering Charlie Kirk. So what's he actually doing here, right? Obviously, there's a lot of layers that we should peel back and it's important that we do it.

Candace Owens: The least interesting part of this is the fact that he's lying through his teeth. That's implied. He's a Zionist. But there's a lot more that's happening that meets the eye because Ben Shapiro was effectively the final boss of the pro-Israel lobby. And it's because he never comes out and says what he means. He's kind of more of a behind the scenes person. And we're now watching him come undone in real time because no matter who you are in this age of digital media, it is simply not a good idea to lie through your teeth.

Candace Owens: OK, wrong time, 2025. Before you get the lie out, the Internet is going to clock it. They're going to go back and be like, "You lied." And when you do something like that, the blowback is going to be on you. They're going to go, "Actually, this now impacts your credibility. You said that Candace went out and said something about Erica."

Candace Owens: By the way, you hear the people in the background going "whoo." I'm going to tell you what's happening there too. And you're going to see how this thing really works.

Candace Owens: Point number one that I want to make about why or what Ben is doing right here is just the stunning hypocrisy of it. The rules for thee and not for me. I am getting old. My memory is getting a little fuzzy, but I distinctly remember the week that I was gloriously fired from the Daily Wire. And during that week, the CEO of the Daily Wire at the time, Jeremy Boring, jumped onto an X space hosted by Lauren Chen and had a conversation with Nick Fuentes where he sang Nick Fuentes' praises and also invited him onto the Daily Wire.

Candace Owens: Here's a headline because the Huffington Post remembers too. "Daily Wire CEO tells white supremacist Nick Fuentes that he's talented and he's very funny." The article goes on: "During a live streamed conversation with white supremacist Nick Fuentes last week, the CEO of The Daily Wire, a major right-wing media outlet, praised the prominent fascist influencer and offered only mild criticism about some of his political views, a stark difference from how he has spoken about Fuentes in the past."

Candace Owens: "On March 25th, The Daily Wire CEO Jeremy Boring joined Fuentes on X for a live audio chat room. Boring told Fuentes that he listens to Fuentes' show quite often and that he thinks Fuentes is, quote-unquote, 'very funny' and 'one of the most talented political influencers,' even if he is very concerned about some of what Fuentes says. Later in the discussion, Boring said that he'd be thrilled to have Fuentes on one of the Daily Wire's shows to debate the media company's popular pundits, some of whom have millions of viewers."

Candace Owens: This happened. So I want you just to remember this because I feel like people are not appreciating how hypocritical it is that he's now trying to struggle session Megyn Kelly because, "Oh, he had Fuentes on the show," when the Daily Wire position in 2024 was that their CEO could talk to Nick Fuentes publicly, praise Nick Fuentes publicly, and also invite Nick Fuentes onto the Daily Wire platform.

Candace Owens: We can actually, we should actually take a listen to a little bit of that conversation between Jeremy Boring, then CEO of Daily Wire, and Nick Fuentes. Take a listen.

[Audio clip plays of Jeremy Boring and Nick Fuentes speaking]

Nick Fuentes: [in audio clip] People can say, "Well, I don't like what you say about this and that." I don't like that guys like Shapiro cannot and will not say "Christ is King" and "America first." I think they forfeit their ability to lead. I would never listen to somebody that can't say those things. Because I mean those things are really the foundation of wisdom, which is the love of God, which as you say goes through the Son, as we all know can only go through Jesus, and oikophilia, which is your love of your home, your love of your homeland that you reside in, not some other homeland. So I just want to get that across to you. It's kind of a strange circumstance that we're talking, but that's how I feel about it.

Jeremy Boring: [in audio clip] And I'll say this, Nick, that I listen to your show quite often. I think you're one of the most talented people out there, and I'm very concerned about some of the things that you're saying. I wish... I think that you're a very gifted communicator, and so it's hard for me to imagine that you consistently miscommunicate some of these things. And I'll hope that I'm wrong and yield the floor back to all the people who actually came on here to talk to each other.

Candace Owens: Anybody want to help me out why it's now different? Hmm. What could be different now that it was OK when the Daily Wire was open to doing it and then Tucker did it and now it's suddenly not OK? It's the worst sin that could ever happen to speak to Nick Fuentes.

Candace Owens: Point number two I'm going to make here is the stunning hypocrisy again, of him picking the topic of Charlie Kirk to pretend that he's noble, to pretend like he has to say something, even though he's lying, in defense of what's happening to Charlie Kirk's widow, when it is just a fact that Ben Shapiro did a lot of things behind the scenes to stop the rise of Charlie Kirk. It's a fact.

Candace Owens: Here's another text message. I have literal hundreds of them pertaining to Ben sending his YAF boys, the YAF boys, the National Review peeps that were coming after us, writing articles. The one that I showed in this little, our thumbnail here, we can show this conversation. Yeah, it was a headline: "Ben Shapiro's YAF launches smear campaign against Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens." Hey, Charlie, wherever you are, it's happening again. It's just a smear campaign. I don't know why, but this is what Ben does.

Candace Owens: And it is also interesting that when I was telling you that Ben called Charlie and he was lamenting the fact that Charlie and I had this friendship and warning him that he shouldn't have him, Charlie felt like Ben was throwing down slave owner vibes. And he was just like, "He thinks I own you or something." But I'm going to show you the text messages because otherwise you'll say it didn't happen. Here we go.

Candace Owens: This was again, everything Ben was going on people's shows and talking down about me and Charlie. And he said, "You're bigger than Ben now. And walking into the White House yesterday, I realized that. I said, I know he hates it." He said, "We just have to treat him like noise. He wants you to punch down to him. His respect amongst movement fighters is quite low." I feel like that's relevant right now to what Ben's doing. He wants to egg on this fight because he's lost a certain bit of respect.

Candace Owens: And then Charlie goes on, "You got in his head, which is terrific. The Ben thing involves me more than he wants to admit." And then we went on and this is the same conversation. He knows that Jon Snow, he's using a Game of Thrones reference, is stronger as the dragons fly higher. And he said, "It pisses him off. And he is sending his incestuous brother to go and try to kill us. It's worse. He views you as my slave, 100%. 'Control her' is what he really was saying to me when he called."

Candace Owens: So this has been, and by the way, like I said, I have hundreds of these messages. And so you have to imagine being in my position when you see someone who did everything he could to kind of stop the rise of Charlie Kirk, now trying to struggle session Megyn, who was actually a very good friend to Charlie. Charlie deeply respected her. And towards the end, obviously, she took a very principled position on telling the truth about what he was going through. And Charlie dies. And suddenly he's like, "I care about this evil that could be, Candace is investigating who killed her friend and she shouldn't be doing that."

Candace Owens: I mean, there's no way to spin it. What is his suggestion here? That me asking questions about Turning Point USA somehow means that I'm blaming Erica, who wasn't even working for Turning Point USA when Charlie died because now she's the CEO? Of course he doesn't believe that. And it is just, to me, it is truly so gross to do this to a person that you know you tried to block and now that he's dead, I guess you want to sort of rewrite history. That's what you're doing. You're trying to rewrite history and pretend that you're his ardent defender.

Candace Owens: Now, another point that I'd like to make is the stunning hypocrisy again and again when you stop and you consider that he's pressing Megyn and referring to this as an evil, the thing that I never said or did. But this is the same Ben Shapiro that roots the destruction of Gaza on. He supports and congratulated Randy Fine, who has literally tweeted laughing at photos of dead Palestinian babies.

Candace Owens: But I guess Tucker Carlson speaking to Nick Fuentes is just so much worse than celebrating, and not just celebrating, interviewing a man who is committing an actual genocide. That's not up for debate. That's what they're trying him for. Bibi Netanyahu is committing a genocide and Ben Shapiro sat down with him last month. And do you guys think he pressed Bibi Netanyahu on the point of a genocide?

Candace Owens: I don't understand how you could just go out there with your hair on your chest and your chest. You're just like, "Yeah, how dare you? How dare you not make a comment, Megyn, about Tucker Carlson? How dare you not make a comment? I care now about Charlie Kirk now that he's dead. I care about him and what's happening. Candace trying to find out who killed him. That's evil. You're lying." You lie when you have nothing left.

Candace Owens: So the question becomes, what is Ben actually doing here? Because it's certainly not principled. I think we can put that to bed. It's actually also risky behavior when it comes to Ben Shapiro. Like he doesn't usually come out of the gate like that. And I think a couple of things are driving this unforced error.

Candace Owens: One, I do believe that he is actually scared of Nick Fuentes. I think that fear comes from guilt. Nick's backstory, don't care what you think about him, you already know I don't like Nick Fuentes because of how he treated me, but the backstory is compelling. I learned the backstory listening to Jeremy Boring, the former CEO of Daily Wire, sit down with Nick. So right after I've been fired and I didn't know what Ben and Jeremy admitted that they did to him.

Candace Owens: And so I think if you artificially push somebody out of the market and Ben has never come out and denied anything that Nick Fuentes has said, also Jeremy Boring didn't deny it in a conversation with him. So we have to assume the story is true. And given what I know about what happens now, I think, and what Charlie was going through, I think we can all realize that Nick was an 18-year-old kid, like he told Tucker, and now the whole world knows this story.

Candace Owens: He started asking questions about Israel and he got artificially pushed out of the market when he had his whole life ahead of him. And now when they did this because they wanted to rid themselves of Nick Fuentes, who then became angry about it and definitively has said very offensive things on the internet, but also he was 18, 19 years old. Now you see him on Tucker Carlson. You don't like Tucker Carlson. And I think it makes him uncomfortable.

Candace Owens: I think we're in Harry Potter, right? And Lord Voldemort thought he killed the baby and the baby may be lit. I don't even know who the Dark Lord is in this story. But I do know, I don't even know who "he who must not be named" is in this story. But I do know that with Ben and Nick Fuentes, it's kind of a "neither can live while the other survives." And Nick Fuentes seems to have survived. Without advertisers, without sponsors, without connections, with the entire media writing things about him, being put on the ADL's list. He has proven to be quite resilient and it is in large part due to how hard they fight him that people become curious.

Candace Owens: It's like we're watching kids be bombed. Like how many people have lost their lives in Gaza and you're telling me the greatest evil is Nick Fuentes? I'm sorry, I think I can survive Nick Fuentes insulting me. I don't feel the need to wheel and deal behind the scenes or tell Tucker not to host. I just don't care. I'm like Megyn, I just don't care. Like, OK, if somebody wants to be a fan, they can be a fan of Nick Fuentes.

Candace Owens: And I sense an insecurity here in the fact that 10 years on from when Ben had this thing that happened to Nick Fuentes that he tells a story about, now Nick Fuentes is still here and Ben's influence is waning. It just factually is.

Candace Owens: Another thing that's happening here, and this is on the point of Megyn Kelly and going back to the "woo," making it sound like Ben's got a popular position about me. I sense that the pro-Israel lobby is on the brink of collapse. They are desperate for allies, right? And they're so desperate for allies that they're forcing them away. That's what they're doing to Megyn Kelly, right? They're showing the world right now that they are willing to lie to get what they want. Ben is lying right now to get what he wants. And for whatever reason, the pro-Israel lobby believes that this repeat failed strategy of lying and threatening people is going to work.

Candace Owens: Now, you might be asking, "Well, how is Megyn Kelly being threatened here?" This is exactly what Ben just did on stage. That is exactly the moral blackmail that Charlie was speaking about in the last days of his life. Ben is morally blackmailing Megyn. He's sitting across from her. The threat is her reputation. He's standing there and he's saying, "Candace is attacking a grieving widow and accusing her of murdering Charlie Kirk. Will you disavow this evil on the spot?" He's got these fake people going "yeah." And you can see Megyn uncomfortable because she's like, "Well, did she say that, man? Like maybe that is evil. Like, does that happen?" He doubles down. He's like, "Yes. She said Seth Dillon murdered Charlie Kirk. Will you disavow this evil on the spot?"

Candace Owens: That is moral blackmail. "Are you a better person than to accept Candace Owens who has attacked a grieving widow and is saying to that grieving widow that you murdered your own husband?" That is moral blackmail.

Candace Owens: Now, speaking of "on the spot," everything that you just saw happen here. And Megyn Kelly, I hope you see this. Truly, you guys, send this clip to her. This is really important. It is pre-planned. It is not organic. The supporters are not organic. The questions are not organic. We can pull back another layer of this onion so you can understand how vicious politics is because it is vicious.

Candace Owens: You might remember, maybe you forgot, but I spoke at YWLS in 2024 right after I was fired from the Daily Wire. And a big thing happened. And we should never forget it. While I was heading to speak at this event, we learned because there was an intern at the Daily Wire who had a conscience and she felt very uncomfortable with the secret mission that she was put on. We learned that a covert mission was happening where they were sending an intern to ask me a question, to get my answer on the question. And then what was going to happen next is they were going to pass around a clip, but they were going to make it look like she was just a random student.

Candace Owens: Let me show you a clip because we found this out. I called it out on stage. Charlie intercepted. We found what her name was. And I called this girl out on stage. Take a listen.

[Audio clip plays of Candace Owens speaking at YWLS]

Candace Owens: [in audio clip] Thing that I am going to say strangely, this is such a crazy story. But as I was headed in here, I got a frantic call from somebody. They called me and they said, "Candace, something very weird is happening. The Daily Wire has sent somebody secretly to record you. An intern, a PR intern, to secretly record you to catch you in a bad moment, in a bad light." And I think that that intern's name... No, to be fair, it is never the fault of a person when their employer is sending them to do something that isn't good. But I would really love it if Ariana stood up.

Candace Owens: [in audio clip] Yeah. Okay. Maybe that's a little too intimidating for you too. But apparently she got an email at 10 PM, hopped on a plane, is pretending to be a student. And so I do just want to say to Ben Shapiro, enough. Come out into the lights. Really, come on. Let's do this debate. Stop sending interns to do your dirty work. I don't bite. I'm down for the debate. Charlie Kirk says he will fly you out. He will fly you out next week to Detroit and we can do the debates on his stage. Thank you, Turning Point USA. Let's take some questions.

Candace Owens: Oh, you know, the Turning Point USA that I wasn't a part of. That's how it went down. And Charlie was like, "Yeah, that's crazy that this is happening." He's like, "Call him on stage and offer the debate and I will fly him out personally to come debate you on this."

Candace Owens: But this is how it works. They send people, they make it look like it's organic, they'll send people to your events and they will have people applaud. That was orchestrated by Alyssa Cordova, now that she's not at the Daily Wire, I can say that, who I was calling out yesterday. But it's so important for people to get this. What is happening at Megyn's events, I will guarantee you, people coming and asking her questions and trying to get her to disavow Tucker Carlson, that is not organic.

Candace Owens: That is pro-Israel people that are paid to do it. Honestly, Megyn, if you're watching, you give me the list of your attendees. I'm assuming this is a ticketed event. I will find the people. They'll be from YAF. They will be from some organization. If you let me go through the names, I love an investigation. I will tell you how many people were sent there to go and applaud, actually trying to intimidate you and to force you to take a position and to make you feel uncomfortable because it's a part of that moral blackmail pileup.

Candace Owens: And so I'm actually genuinely not upset. I don't care. I believe in the free markets. I genuinely will say again, I will always debate Ben Shapiro. If you know, if Tucker left you on read and you want to come on this show and you want to debate Israel and you want to discuss Erica Kirk and the things I never said, if you want to discuss your relationship with Charlie Kirk, anything that I have said that you would like to dispute, my platform is your platform. I'd say you should come on my platform because my show is bigger now. But we could also do yours. So hit me up. We'll be right back after a brief break.

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Candace Owens: I'm serious, you guys. Megyn Kelly, make sure you let her know in her comments. Blow her up because I have seen it before. I know exactly what's happening and they are going to be at every single tour stop trying to struggle session her into making a comment. It's just weird. I don't know why they keep demanding that she disavows Tucker and Candace. I don't work with Megyn Kelly, but I know how this goes. It's the exact same process by which the pro-Israel lobby lost Charlie Kirk, because eventually you just get tired of being bullied and you start to sense and see that it's not organic. And also it's not coming from your quote unquote friends. I just would never do this. It wouldn't even flash in my mind as an idea that I should text Tucker Carlson and tell him who he should or should not have on his platform or how he should use his platform. It's just not how normal people behave. And they don't understand how abnormal it is.

Candace Owens: Anyways, switching gears here, I got to show you a couple of clips that are going viral right now. And CNN has cut these clips because they think they're embarrassing to me. So there's this young woman. She's the same age as me. Elle Reeve is her name. And I'm going to also be clear. I got very testy in this interview because it was a couple of days after Charlie was killed. First interview I was giving, it just worked out, but it was CNN. It wasn't about Charlie Kirk, but we had set this up before. And I decided to keep the appointment. You know, I hadn't been sleeping. I hadn't been eating. And this woman, I guess, decided that she just wanted to poke a bear. Anyways, she's the one passing around this clip because she thinks it totally embarrasses me and shows that I'm a white nationalist. Take a listen.

[Audio clip of CNN interview plays]

Elle Reeve: [in audio clip] You can criticize Netanyahu without being anti-Israel, and you can criticize Israel without being anti-Semitic. But some of the themes, talking points, concepts you've used in your criticism of Israel, I'm very familiar with from covering white nationalists for 10 years. It's very unsettling for me to hear things like you saying our government is occupied by Zionists, Trump is occupied by Zionists, we're an occupied nation. Because there's literally a term that's like an 80s, 90s term from white nationalism, ZOG, Zionist Occupied Government. It's their idea that Jews control the world. And I'm wondering, are you intentionally referencing those kind of themes?

Candace Owens: [in audio clip] Wait, just so I understand, are you accusing me of white nationalist rhetoric? Because I do have to have a little bit of a giggle about that first. Well, to me, I'm also like, they'd be no fan of yours. It's just silly. But this is one of the things where I feel like it's such a lesson for CNN. This is why nobody watches it anymore. I mean, it's like you're sitting across from a black person. You're like, I've learned about white nationalism. And you're using white nationalism. It's not that I know them. I've been to their rallies. I've read all their texts. I get it. I know. I'm so glad you're educated. I called Melissa. But this is when it's like, put it in a book and anybody will say it. It's like, at a certain point you have to use your eyes and go, is Candace Owens promoting white nationalist rhetoric? Immediately, no. So what else could it be? Could it be that actually Zionism is what it actually represents? What does that mean? We're literally occupied? Zionism is a political philosophy. Zionist occupied government. If you look into the history, yes, I believe we are a Zionist occupied government and we're not the only one. Okay. Yes. And I take it to the bank. If you need to walk out of here and say Candace is a white nationalist for you to be able to digest it, then that's fine. You have to deal with that in your own time. But what I will say is I stand by every statement that I made and I want to double down on it. OK, America is occupied by Zionists. I'd like to triple down on that if there's anybody going. I'd like to triple down on that.

[Audio clip ends]

Candace Owens: These tactics are super boring and tired. And this is why it hinges upon suppressing speech, right? Constantly having to refer to somebody as evil or white supremacist or anti-Semitic because you've lost the argument on the bait. There is no merit to your argument anymore. So it's all a constant struggle session of semantics. And then she moves on to "they."

[Audio clip of CNN interview plays]

Elle Reeve: [in audio clip] Do you remember growing up when we were just allowed to use the word "they" in sentences? And nobody said, what do you mean by that? Several times she just, what do you mean by "they"? As if she didn't understand how to construct a basic sentence and to refer back to the noun. She had no idea which plural noun I was referring to.

Candace Owens: [in audio clip] "They" is a word. So like, I don't need to always like say "they." It's just a weird, this is one of these psychology tactics where you're like, who is "they," who is "they"? And it's like-

Elle Reeve: [in audio clip] Because it sounds like you're saying Jews.

Candace Owens: [in audio clip] Does the word "they" mean Jews? When you're talking about Jews, yes. But if I'm not talking about Jews, then "they" doesn't mean Jews. When I say "they want us to believe this" or "they want us to believe that" and you hear "Jews," that's your own derangement, right? If I want to say something about Jews, I'll say it. If I want to say something about Israel, I will say it. If I want to say something about black people, I'll say it. When I was saying during BLM, "they want us to believe," nobody said, "do you mean Jews?" And so again, it's one of these trash tactics to make people fearful to speak. If I want to say Jews, I will say Jews. I don't fear saying Jews. When I say Zionists run the media, I mean Zionists run the media. People that support the political ideology of Israel run the media. Any other things that I can help clarify?

Elle Reeve: [in audio clip] But are you familiar with this very long standing trope that Jews-

Candace Owens: [in audio clip] Who didn't give a shit about a trope?

[Audio clip ends]

Candace Owens: I really try not to curse, but I just felt like we needed to kill it real quick. You know what I mean? Just get her to move on from it because I really don't care. And I'm so tired of these words. I'm just tired. I'm exhausted. Are you exhausted? We're tired. Collectively, we're tired. I had to shut it down because I suddenly realized I was homeschooling my toddlers. And I told her, as soon as she goes on, I was like, look, I have toddlers at home. I can't teach you basic sentence structure. I'm teaching my toddlers how to read. And here I am, I'm teaching her how to understand "they" in a sentence. That's a place. What are we doing? How old is this person? And she says she's the same age as me. And I'm going, you missed first grade. You don't know what "they" means. And now you're just going to, it's a trope. This is the way to respond. Okay. Just shut it down immediately. Embrace whatever you're going to be called.

Candace Owens: And in this circumstance, if I got to be called a white supremacist to say my opinion about this administration and how it's been occupied by Zionists and the cruelties that the Palestinian children are suffering at the hands of Bibi Netanyahu, then so be it. I don't encourage you guys to cuss. It's a rare moment. Like I said, it was a couple days after Charlie died and I just was not in the mood. But I do encourage you guys to defend yourselves in a similar manner.

Candace Owens: Now, in that same vein, in case you guys missed this going around, Eric and Laura Trump spoke at a recent TPUSA event at Auburn University. And it's a different era, okay? The post-Charlie Kirk era at Turning Point USA. My guess after watching this is people are going to be less inclined to want to attend these events. And I'm speaking about the guests like Eric and Laura Trump because they are getting pressed now by students about Israel. Take a listen.

[Audio clip of TPUSA event plays]

Student: [in audio clip] I'd like to ask about your father's relationship with Israel. He's taken over $230 million from pro-Israel groups. During the summer against Iran, even though he advised against it, Israel still attacked Iran and the U.S. still bombed on behalf of Israel. Your father's frustrations with Netanyahu have been made clear when he cursed on national TV over the situation. Israel has not been a great ally to the U.S. all the way since 1960 when they bombed the USS Liberty. Israel is a nation where Christians are constantly under attack in both Gaza and the West Bank. We talk about America first and defending Christians. But how can we do this if we align ourselves with a nation that does not do that itself?

Eric Trump: [in audio clip] There's no question my father said frustration. In fact, I think he says frustration throughout the whole conflict with both sides at the same time. Make no mistake, you have a nation that is chanting death to America every single day on the streets of Tehran. You have a nation that will develop a nuclear weapon and you have a nation that will use that nuclear weapon against the Western way of life. There's no question about it.

Student: [in audio clip] In response to the nukes from Iran, Israel has nuclear weapons and is not a part of the IEA, unlike Iran. And it's just sad to see because I've never seen the American president get treated the way he does by the Israeli government.

Laura Trump: [in audio clip] Here's what I'll add. Do we or do we not have phase one of a peace agreement in the Middle East right now? Nothing is ever going to be perfect, but I'll tell you what, this president works with what he has. He believes in peace through strength. And whether we're talking about in the Middle East, whether we're talking about a 40-year war like Armenia and Azerbaijan as Eric just pointed out, a five-year war in Thailand and Cambodia, this is a president of peace.

[Audio clip ends]

Candace Owens: I don't know, it's just lost its edge, right? Like MAGA is over. You just know it's over. It's just over. And I say this, by the way, and I'm always very honest with you about how people are behind the scenes. Eric and Laura have always been unbelievably kind to me. I have nothing bad to say about them as human beings. Laura works very hard. And Eric, by the way, works very hard, you know, running the Trump organization, certainly while his father has to go and be president, he took over. But they know they're not telling the truth, right? They know they're not telling the truth. The kids are now awake. They know about Jared and his deals with the vodka and the Middle East and how much money they're set to make and, you know, Gaza being destroyed is actually beneficial to their bank accounts. It just is.

Candace Owens: And to think these kids and the fact that he was ready to answer about the nuclear. That's always the threat of the nuclear. And that used to work. Like Generation 9-11, that worked. It doesn't work anymore because we realize there's only one nation that isn't following any rules. There's only one nation that isn't respecting America. There's only one nation that generations of American children, American men are being told they have to die for in foreign lands. So at the benefit of what nation? Not America. If America throughout all these wars was not in a steep decline and actually we walked around and our streets were clean and we didn't have any homelessness and people were not on drugs, we probably would go okay, like we're up to no good in the Middle East but at least look at this country, it's shining, it's amazing. What's our upside? Our upside is we get to get lectured and told that we're not even allowed to bring up Israel on college campuses or risk being arrested. You're getting stricter on anti-Semitism laws. Now you're coming in for our speech and you thought that this generation was going to get behind it because what, Bibi bought TikTok? The hypocrisy is astounding and you can't survive hypocrisy.

Candace Owens: So unfortunately, I think four years ago, everyone thought who's going to be the next Trump family member that's going to get into politics and galvanize the youth movement. It's done. Dead on arrival now. And it's because you guys went for broke on Israel. So, you know, whatever the real estate plan is in Gaza, that's going to be the Trump legacy I suppose. And to be honest, that wouldn't be the legacy that I want to have because people are not going to forget what happened there. Your children's children are probably going to feel ashamed to be honest with you that you were involved in it and that you defended it or that you stayed quiet about it because of money. People are paying you to do those things.

Candace Owens: Anyways, you guys, I think that's enough. We're going to take a quick little break before I answer some of your questions.

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Candace Owens: All right, jumping into some of your comments here. RN Explorer writes, "Why can't Tucker interview Fuentes? Ben is upset with Tucker for this. I have seen this kind of immaturity in high school between teenage girls. I'm mad at her because she's talking to the girl that I don't like. Ben, please stop." I agree. There is something fundamentally high school about it. It's so weird. And I think they truly thought this was it. Like I know it's every week they renew their efforts to cancel Tucker, but I think they thought they had him. Like this was really going to be it. And of course it always backfires because people go, how immature? Why can't Nick Fuentes tell a story? I just don't understand it. I'm not offended by anybody sitting down with Nick Fuentes. And I think everybody should be in the free markets. If Nick Fuentes loses in the free markets, I want it to be because there was better competition, not because he's just been artificially pushed out. That's the only way that that works. Otherwise it's just immature. Just is immature. And it's whiny too.

Candace Owens: Katie Rabian writes, "Missing Charlie extra today. We all deserve the truth, no matter how awful it is. Please never stop fighting for our brother in Christ. You're in our prayers. May God bless and protect you, Candace. I don't care at all about Ben trying to join people. It's almost like they're trying to peer pressure me. Like there's this threat, like they want me to say something bad about Erica because they want me to stop investigating it, which is making me feel weird that it's always the pro-Israel lobby that's doing this." People that weren't friends with Charlie, okay, are trying to struggle session us into no longer investigating what happened here in order for us to get a clean bill of health of not attacking a widow. It's like, oh, if you investigate, then you're attacking Erica. It's nonsense. It makes me think that there's something there, right? Like, what are they so afraid of? Why is the pro-Israel lobby in particular so afraid of any incursion into the absurd storyline that the feds are trying to sell us about Charlie Kirk, right? It reeks of desperation, and desperation only exists when there's something to hide, and Israel has not been acting right from the beginning of this. We know that. We know Israel has not been acting right. "We didn't do it immediately. It wasn't us." Oh, that's kind of weird. That's kind of weird that you're just jumping up and saying that it wasn't you.

Candace Owens: Amber Lee Fraz writes, "Let's not forget that he would be the one to pick up his bloodstained microphone." That is right. Ben did say that right after Charlie died. And even that, it was just for me knowing what was between them. It was just a lot for me to process. I was going through so many emotions that week. I was so angry. He was initial in the reaction to Charlie's death, it is obvious that he has an agenda. Look, everyone in politics has an agenda of some description. I'm not clear on what Ben's is, but I sense a tremendous insecurity because it is not a good step to lie like that. OK, and he knew I didn't say it. There's not a chance that he thought that I said Seth Dillon murdered Charlie Kirk or Erica Kirk murdered Charlie Kirk. So he's showing his fear. And also, like I said, I think he wanted to effectively bully Megyn Kelly into a position and she's trying to come up for air and she's like, wow, people are cheering this on. Maybe Candace really did say this. Maybe she did accuse Erica. That would be horrible. And good for her for not taking the bait and changing the subject instead because she wasn't certain that I had said it.

Candace Owens: Melissa writes, "Candace, as a black woman, you handled that interview perfectly. If anybody was embarrassing, it was her, who, by the way, appeared to be on drugs. Something was off. It was giving wine drunk mom." Candace, do you guys did you used to watch Hey Arnold? Like Helga Pataki's mom? Yeah. For those of you who got that, a very specific reference, but if you got it you got it. It was giving Helga Pataki's mom. We watched such serious cartoons when we were growing up.

Candace Owens: Tom Simpson writes, "Are we sure Fuentes being pushed isn't an op to smear the anti-Israel dissident right by association? I don't think he's in on it, but persona non grata for years. And then on like five major pods in the same month." Look, when I invited him on my podcast, genuinely, I just wanted to have a conversation so I can tell you because I'm not an op. But the sense that I got with how he reacted and lied about how we treated him is the first thing that made me think he wasn't an op because I was like, that's so weird. We were so nice to you. We spoke to you behind the scenes. We planned the interview, what we were going to name the interview. And he was very theatrical. So I don't trust it. I've been very clear. I don't trust the Fuentes thing, but other people can. That's on them, you know?

Candace Owens: Explorer253 writes, "Ben sounds like an immature teenage girl, upset that she can't control her friends or the people around her. How embarrassing." Yeah, and I just don't think it's going to work. I think Megyn Kelly is going to hold the line because she did right there under pressure. I just want her to know that it is not organic. That is so important. So for those of you that are watching both of our shows, just make sure you tell her that.

Candace Owens: Zamit writes, "Truth is harmonic, lies are shrill." That's exactly correct.

Candace Owens: Plant Babies and More writes, "You are amazing, Candace. You owned that interview." Thank you so much. I appreciate that.

Candace Owens: Amber Lee Fraz writes, "They made a giant error in stopping Charlie Kirk." Oh, they made a giant error. I think you had a typo here. "They made a giant error in stopping Charlie Kirk. Now the people are Charlie. Bless you, Candace. We're continuing the fight." Who is "they"? Who is "they," Amber? When you say "they," did you know about that manual that was published in 1897? When you say "they," it's a long-running anti-Semitic word, that word "they." So please be very clear if you plan on using it this weekend. If anybody out there is going to say "they," please be very clear on what you mean when you say the "they." Okay? Because her feelings are hard, really. She studied it and she knows people. That's kind of the whole vibe she was giving was like mom drunk. Okay.

Candace Owens: And lastly, Jonathan writes, "Compared the Islamic rules of engagement with the Geneva Convention. Also, Ben says Republicans should work together against Mamdani. Yet the DW was all about sabotaging all the other conservative media." Like I said, in general, everything he was saying there felt to me to be very hypocritical. And I hope that I have done a very good job demonstrating just how hypocritical it is and how they pivot their perspectives. You got to support, you know, Bibi Netanyahu who is murderous. But oh my gosh, I can't believe you would speak to Nick Fuentes. We can speak to Nick Fuentes but you can speak to Nick Fuentes unless we say you can speak to Nick Fuentes. None of it makes any sense. And genuinely, it's just because their pro-Israel lobby is on its way out. People don't like them anymore because of these tactics, because they're not sincere in wanting to debate. And then even when they do debate, they then do what they did to Charlie Kirk and afterwards get so angry that they lost the debate that they try to squeeze him and tell him he can never host this person ever again because they lost.

Candace Owens: It's the behind the scenes actions that they take and how they treat people. And I mean, what a terrible guest for Megyn. She's inviting you on her platform and you know you've planned this session. You know you planned to press her and you know you probably planned to have people pass around that clip to try to embarrass her. That's not going to bode well in the future if you're really looking forward to having her as an ally long term. That's my advice. Free to take it. Also free to come onto my platform. The number one podcast in the world right now, Benny. So what's up? You want to come? You can come. We can have a conversation. You know, I always believe in more conversation and genuinely I'm not angry because how could I be angry? Success really is the best revenge. We'll see you guys on Monday.