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Natajia Miller is a visionary entrepreneur from the Bahamas who has transformed her family’s dream into reality with Embrace Resort on Staniel Cay. Starting from humble beginnings—where her mother paved the way through sheer determination and hard work—Natajia traveled the globe, living in places like Dubai and rural China, before returning home to take their boutique island resort to new heights. Her leadership during the challenges of the COVID-19 pandemic showcased her commitment to her team and guests, and she’s become known for curating authentic, personalized hospitality experiences that blend Bahamian culture, warmth, and true human connection. Takeaways: Resilience is the heart of success: Natajia’s journey is powered by family legacy, perseverance, and the ability to adapt through hard times like the pandemic. Personalized hospitality stands out: Embrace Resort differentiates itself by offering caring, individualized experiences and fostering genuine relationships—not just luxury amenities. Leadership is about community: Natajia’s approach is grounded in loyalty to her team and the community spirit, proving that small businesses can have a big impact. Sound Bytes: “Service excellence is not just a fake smile. It’s about how that person feels in your presence. Service comes from caring.” “What I used to think was a negative thing—us being so small and not posh—is actually what makes us amazing. Because we have time for your stories.” “When people come to Embrace, they always say, I feel like I visited an aunt… You feel like somebody cares about you at this place.” Connect & Discover Natajia: Instagram: @mindfrotravel LinkedIn: @natajiamillerluxurytravel Website: stanielcayvacations.com Website: embraceresort.com 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥  Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Isaac Keys is a dynamic force whose journey spans from cracking helmets in the NFL to lighting up TV screens as Diamond Sampson on “Power Book IV: Force.” A two-time All-American and Morehouse Hall of Famer, Isaac embodies relentless ambition and personal reinvention. Beyond his achievements as an athlete and actor, he now steps into the role of author with his new book, "The Grind Don’t Stop, It Just Changes," sharing powerful lessons in resilience, personal growth, and the importance of evolving your circle as your ambitions rise. A passionate advocate for mental health and men’s emotional vulnerability, Isaac’s story is as inspiring as it is relatable. Takeaways: Embrace Change and Growth: Isaac’s journey is all about pivoting with purpose, showing that real progress happens when you’re not afraid to completely change directions, not just adjust your route. The Power of Your Circle: As you evolve, so should your circle—the people around you can either lift you higher or hold you back, making it crucial to surround yourself with those who genuinely support your vision. Vulnerability is Strength: Both Isaac and Mick Hunt stress that celebrating wins and being open about struggles—especially as Black men—isn’t weakness but a vital part of well-being and success. Sound Bites: “The grind don’t stop—it just changes. You never truly stop working, you just shift what you’re hustling for.” — Isaac Keys “Sometimes adjusting isn’t enough. There are moments in life when you need to just change, because life is adjusting with you.” — Mick Hunt “When you try to let go of your past, some people want to hold on because your past benefits them—those are the people you can’t be around.” — Isaac Keys Connect & Discover Isaac: Instagram: @isaackeys LinkedIn: @isaac-keys X: @isaackeys Facebook: @isaackeys Website: IsaacKeys.com Book: The Grind Don't Stop 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥  Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Amina Altai is an acclaimed coach, healer, best-selling author, and purpose whisperer who has transformed burnout into brilliance and career chaos into conscious clarity. With clients ranging from executives at Google and Deloitte to leaders across industries, she’s redefining what success looks like for mission-driven individuals. Amina’s work centers on the intersection of body, mind, and career, and her latest book, The Ambition Trap, dives deep into healing our relationship with ambition and fostering purposeful success. Passionate about justice, equity, and helping others live into the fullness of their experience, she’s a powerful advocate for breaking systemic barriers and nurturing authentic careers. Takeaways: Purposeful vs. Painful Ambition: Ambition isn’t inherently bad—Amina distinguishes between painful ambition, driven by our core wounds, and purposeful ambition, which is rooted in our truth and wholeness. Interconnection of Body, Mind, and Career: True success isn’t just career achievements—it’s about aligning your work, values, and well-being, allowing space for cycles of growth and restoration. Zone of Genius is for Everyone: Every person has a zone of genius. When organizations and individuals tap into these innate strengths rather than focusing on relentless urgency, both burnout decreases and performance soars. Sound Bites: "Ambition is just a desire for growth or a wish for more life—and that’s inherent in every living thing on the planet, from our human babies to our plant babies." “There are times in our lives where we need new roots. So it feels like a burning down, but it’s actually a rebuilding.” “Success should include your body being well…that should be each of our birthrights.” Connect & Discover Amina: Website: aminaaltai.com Instagram: @aminaaltai LinkedIn: @aminaaltai Podcast: Amina Change Your Life TikTok: @theaminaaltai Book: The Ambition Trap: How to Stop Chasing and Start Living 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥  Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

The Andrej Karpathy episode.

During this interview, Andrej explains why reinforcement learning is terrible (but everything else is much worse), why AGI will just blend into the previous ~2.5 centuries of 2% GDP growth, why self driving took so long to crack, and what he sees as the future of education.

It was a pleasure chatting with him.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – AGI is still a decade away

(00:29:45) – LLM cognitive deficits

(00:40:05) – RL is terrible

(00:49:38) – How do humans learn?

(01:06:25) – AGI will blend into 2% GDP growth

(01:17:36) – ASI

(01:32:50) – Evolution of intelligence & culture

(01:42:55) - Why self driving took so long

(01:56:20) - Future of education

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Steve Smith is a legendary former NFL wide receiver, celebrated for his tenacity, intelligence, and relentless drive both on and off the field. From humble beginnings as a “poor black kid who was unsubsidized,” Steve carved out an extraordinary football career with a no-“plan B” mindset, earning admiration as a future Hall of Famer and an inspirational community leader. Post-retirement, Steve has channeled that same passion into business, media, and philanthropy—especially his work in mental health with Behavioral Health Urgent Care (BHUCK). Known for his authenticity, leadership, and fiercely competitive spirit, Steve continues to impact lives by leading with purpose, candor, and heart. Takeaways: Relentless Focus on Plan A: Steve Smith’s story is rooted in his “no plan B” determination—putting everything into football to change the trajectory for his family, and later carrying that same intensity and commitment into business and philanthropy. Mentorship and Learning: Steve highlights how mentorship allowed him to take the “elevator,” learning from the successes and failures of others to accelerate growth and avoid common setbacks. Emotional Intelligence and Growth: Steve openly discusses improving his emotional intelligence, especially in learning to pause before reacting, reflect on his feelings, and balance his directness with empathy—crucial lessons for both life and leadership. Sound Bytes: “If I couldn’t catch a football, I wouldn’t have got my foot in the door. But understanding my intelligence and my willingness to learn keeps me in the door.” –Steve Smith “Just because they are receiving assistance doesn’t mean you lessen their respect of who they are as a human being.” –Steve Smith “How I can critique but not criticize... and give guys the benefit of the doubt. However, if the film tells enough of the story, I can’t give you what you didn’t earn.” –Steve Smith Connect & Discover Steve: Instagram: @stevesmithsr89 YouTube: @89show YouTube: @ironedoutw89 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥  Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Jesse Cole, famously known as the man in the yellow tux, is a master of reinvention, joy, and building unforgettable fan experiences. As the owner of the Savannah Bananas, Jesse has transformed a struggling baseball club into a global phenomenon by shattering norms and prioritizing fun above all else. Driven by a deep belief in bringing people together and creating moments of joy, he’s become a leading business thinker, author, and inspiring mentor dedicated to showing leaders how to turn customers into raving fans. With innovation at his core, Jesse's contagious energy and commitment to doing the remarkable make him a blueprint for entrepreneurs and changemakers everywhere. Takeaways: Normal gets normal results — Jesse preaches that following industry standards only yields average outcomes; it's bold, memorable actions that set you apart and drive remarkable success. Micro-reinvention matters — You don’t need to overhaul everything at once; continuous, small innovations across touchpoints can reshape experiences and build superfans. Lead with gratitude and values — Companies that embody gratitude and consistently put their “fans” (internally and externally) first, even at a cost, build stronger, more loyal communities. Sound Bytes: “No one gets excited about normal. They get excited about memorable.” “The only way you can be great is if you’re willing to get through the messy to get to the great.” “If you do what everyone else is going to do, you’re going to get the same results as everyone else.” Connect & Discover with Jesse: Website: Find Your Yellow Tux Website: thesavannahbananas LinkedIn: YellowTuxJesse Instagram: @YellowTuxJesse X: @YellowTuxJesse YouTube: @yellowtuxjesse Book: Find Your Yellow Tux           Fans First           Banana Ball 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥  Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Adam Marblestone is CEO of Convergent Research. He’s had a very interesting past life: he was a research scientist at Google Deepmind on their neuroscience team and has worked on everything from brain-computer interfaces to quantum computing to nanotech and even formal mathematics.

In this episode, we discuss how the brain learns so much from so little, what the AI field can learn from neuroscience, and the answer to Ilya’s question: how does the genome encode abstract reward functions? Turns out, they’re all the same question.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – The brain’s secret sauce is the reward functions, not the architecture

(00:22:20) – Amortized inference and what the genome actually stores

(00:42:42) – Model-based vs model-free RL in the brain

(00:50:31) – Is biological hardware a limitation or an advantage?

(01:03:59) – Why a map of the human brain is important

(01:23:28) – What value will automating math have?

(01:38:18) – Architecture of the brain

Further reading

Intro to Brain-Like-AGI Safety - Steven Byrnes’s theory of the learning vs steering subsystem; referenced throughout the episode.

A Brief History of Intelligence - Great book by Max Bennett on connections between neuroscience and AI

Adam’s blog, and Convergent Research’s blog on essential technologies.

A Tutorial on Energy-Based Learning by Yann LeCun

What Does It Mean to Understand a Neural Network? - Kording & Lillicrap

E11 Bio and their brain connectomics approach

Sam Gershman on what dopamine is doing in the brain

Gwern’s proposal on training models on the brain’s hidden states

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Read the essay here.

Timestamps

00:00:00 What are we scaling?

00:03:11 The value of human labor

00:05:04 Economic diffusion lag is cope00:06:34 Goal-post shifting is justified

00:08:23 RL scaling

00:09:18 Broadly deployed intelligence explosion

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Ed McCaffrey is a three-time Super Bowl champion and Stanford Cardinal legend who’s just as celebrated for his work off the field as he is for his NFL career. Known for his humility and quiet strength during his playing days, Ed has since become renowned for his philanthropy, founding and running football camps for athletes with Down syndrome and children from military families. He now leads McCaffrey Brands, delivering premium food products and healthy snacks nationwide, all while remaining committed to using his platform to make a positive impact. Whether inspiring the next generation or creating “the best mustard in the world,” Ed exemplifies the all-American values of teamwork, leadership, and giving back. Takeaways: Ed McCaffrey values teamwork and using his platform to uplift others, whether through his philanthropic work, business endeavors, or family legacy. Building McCaffrey Brands was rooted in the desire to bring joy and flavor to everyday life, drawing on lessons from athletics and partnership, and driven by a commitment to quality and purpose. True fulfillment comes from investing in people, building strong teams, and always focusing on providing real value—on the field, in business, and in the community.  Sound Bytes: “You don’t do it to have people hear about it, but it certainly feels fulfilling to me and to Lisa and to our boys who feel that it’s important to give back.” — Ed McCaffrey “Everything we do is to help bring new, creative, premium products to market that make people’s food taste better, that provides them value.” — Ed McCaffrey “Hopefully, people remember me as a good husband, a good father, and someone who cared about other people.” — Ed McCaffrey Connect & Discover Ed: Instagram: @edmccaffrey87 X: @87ed Website: edmccaffrey.com Website: mccaffreybrands.com 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥  Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This is the final episode of the Sarah Paine lecture series, and it’s probably my favorite one. Sarah gives a “tour of the arguments” on what ultimately led to the Soviet Union’s collapse, diving into the role of the US, the Sino-Soviet border conflict, the oil bust, ethnic rebellions and even the Roman Catholic Church. As she points out, this is all particularly interesting as we find ourselves potentially at the beginning of another Cold War.

As we wrap up this lecture series, I want to take a moment to thank Sarah for doing this with me. It has been such a pleasure.

If you want more of her scholarship, I highly recommend checking out the books she’s written. You can find them here.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – Did Reagan single-handedly win the Cold War?

(00:15:53) – Eastern Bloc uprisings & oil crisis

(00:30:37) – Gorbachev’s mistakes

(00:37:33) – German unification and NATO expansion

(00:48:31) – The Gulf War and the Cold War endgame

(00:56:10) – How central planning survived so long

(01:14:46) – Sarah’s life in the USSR in 1988

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Congressman Jim Clyburn is a legendary statesman whose influence spans from advising presidents to serving as a beacon of change and unity in American politics. Representing South Carolina, he is not only a champion of justice and progress but has also shaped the course of history with his powerful endorsements and unyielding voice. With deep roots in the civil rights movement and a life devoted to public service, Congressman Clyburn’s impact resonates across generations—especially inspiring young leaders and change-makers to envision what’s possible through mentorship, storytelling, and unwavering purpose. Takeaways: Legacy and Representation: Congressman Clyburn’s new book, The First Eight, uncovers the overlooked history of the eight African Americans who served in Congress from South Carolina before him, proving the power of representation and the importance of knowing one’s history. Mentorship by Example: Though Clyburn didn’t personally know his forerunners, their stories and those of his own father provided mentorship from afar—showing that guidance and inspiration often transcend direct relationships. Power of Storytelling: Clyburn emphasizes the importance of learning outside traditional education, absorbing wisdom from lived experiences, and communicating with passion and inclusivity—skills he encourages the next generation to develop for real impact. Sound Bytes: “No, before I was first, there were eight.” “Robert Smalls is the most consequential South Carolinian, bar none.” “There’s a certain amount of education that you gotta get outside of the books.” Connect & Discover Jim: Instagram: @clyburnsc06 Facebook: @ClyburnforCongress X:  @RepJamesClyburn YouTube: @RepJamesClyburn Website: Congressman James E. Clyburn Book: The First Eight: A Personal History of the Pioneering Black Congressmen Who Shaped a Nation 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥  Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Dr. Martin Lemelle Jr. is a third-generation “Gramlinitian” and a visionary leader at Grambling State University, where he is reshaping tradition to empower tomorrow’s leaders. With a background that spans financial strategy, transformational leadership, and impactful service, Dr. Lemelle’s mission is to create generational change through education—especially for underrepresented and economically disadvantaged students. From serving as student government president to thriving in corporate America and returning to uplift his alma mater, he is deeply committed to harnessing the legacy and innovative spirit of HBCUs to ensure students graduate not only ready for the workforce, but prepared to make a global impact. Takeaways: Generational Impact is Key: Dr. Lemelle’s “because” centers on creating real, generational change for sustainable communities, focusing on the economic empowerment of students and families through higher education. Leadership Differentiates Success: Involvement in student government and extracurricular leadership roles are essential, not just technical skills—leadership, collaboration, and communication are what set students apart and open doors. Pivoting and Integrative Learning are Essential: Today’s success is about merging technology, data, and traditional education while having the agility to pivot and anticipate needs, both for students at Grambling and for leaders everywhere. Sound Bytes: “We are commissioned to create generational impact and change for sustainable communities.” “Gone are the days of this single disciplinary focus. We have to be both—and: humans with technology.” “Having that tank full of good faith and will and love and trust… those elements will help you navigate any challenge.” Connect & Discover Dr Martin: Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/martinlemelle/?hl=en LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/martinlemelle/ X: https://x.com/martinlemelle?lang=en 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥  Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Marlow Campbell is a dynamic leader, coach, and entrepreneur whose journey began on the soccer fields of Raleigh, North Carolina. A former collegiate soccer star at NC State and the first North Carolina homegrown athlete to receive a full scholarship from legendary coach George Tarantini, Marlow's life is a testament to building relationships, embracing diversity, and leading by example. With a background spanning athletics, business, and mentorship, Marlow brings a deep passion for fostering growth in others—whether as a CEO, coach, or father. His philosophy centers on reflection, supporting others in discovering their own purpose, and spreading positivity wherever he goes. Takeaways: The Power of Disconnecting: Taking time to step back and reflect is essential for personal growth, leadership, and maintaining strong relationships—whether it’s a quiet nap, quality family moments, or a simple hour of solitude. Sports as a Life Teacher: Participation in sports helps cultivate teamwork, resilience, and leadership skills. The lessons learned on the field—the wins, losses, and challenges—translate directly to business and life success. The Role of Support and Mentorship: True leadership is measured not just by personal achievements, but by the ability to uplift others, share wisdom, and connect people across communities and backgrounds. Sound Bytes: "Disconnecting is a way for you to reflect and truly analyze what's going on in order to make improvement in your world, in your life." – Marlow Campbell "You’re building on your experiences—taking time away is a way to just mentally take notes and say, okay, this is where I've been, this is where I'm going." – Marlow Campbell "Sport teaches you how to work with others. If you don't know how to work with others, you may struggle." – MarlowCampbell 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥   Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million   FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Ilya & I discuss SSI’s strategy, the problems with pre-training, how to improve the generalization of AI models, and how to ensure AGI goes well.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – Explaining model jaggedness

(00:09:39) - Emotions and value functions

(00:18:49) – What are we scaling?

(00:25:13) – Why humans generalize better than models

(00:35:45) – SSI’s plan to straight-shot superintelligence

(00:46:47) – SSI’s model will learn from deployment

(00:55:07) – How to think about powerful AGIs

(01:18:13) – “We are squarely an age of research company”

(01:20:23) – Self-play and multi-agent

(01:32:42) – Research taste

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Josh Pais is an acclaimed Hollywood actor recognized for his dynamic performances alongside icons like Scorsese, Denzel, and Jennifer Aniston. Beyond his storied film career, Josh is the creator of the Committed Impulse method—a revolutionary approach empowering leaders and creatives to overcome fear, access their full presence, and perform at their peak. Drawing on insights from the worlds of acting and neuroscience, Josh helps people break free from mental roadblocks and ignite their aliveness, whether in the boardroom or on stage. He’s also the author of Lose Your Mind: The Path to Creative Invincibility, distilling his life’s work into practical exercises and guidance for anyone seeking greater authenticity and creative freedom. Takeaways: Transforming Fear into Fuel: Josh believes that nervousness, anxiety, and fear are natural human sensations and advocates for embracing them rather than suppressing them. By feeling these emotions fully, they can become creative or professional fuel rather than obstacles. Presence is Key: Through techniques like his “I’m back” exercise, Josh empowers people to break free from self-critical mental chatter and anchor themselves in the present moment, opening up greater creativity and impact in their work and life. Vulnerability as Power: Rather than viewing vulnerability or emotional intensity as a weakness, Josh asserts that welcoming every sensation—especially during high-stakes moments—creates genuine connection and power. Sound Bytes: “When actors step into the unknown and create in that moment, that’s what engages an audience.” “Feel the charge, it’s not good or bad—it’s just energy. Use it as fuel for whatever you’re doing.” “You have to be a little crazy to go into this and, you know, the thing with rejection is feel it like a bee sting, then clear the slate and be open for what’s next.” Connect & Discover Josh: Instagram: @joshpais Facebook: @CommittedImpulse X:  @JoshPais Website: Committed Impulse 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥  Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

As part of this interview, Satya Nadella gave Dylan Patel (founder of SemiAnalysis) and me an exclusive first-look at their brand-new Fairwater 2 datacenter.

Microsoft is building multiple Fairwaters, each of which has hundreds of thousands of GB200s & GB300s. Between all these interconnected buildings, they’ll have over 2 GW of total capacity. Just to give a frame of reference, even a single one of these Fairwater buildings is more powerful than any other AI datacenter that currently exists.

Satya then answered a bunch of questions about how Microsoft is preparing for AGI across all layers of the stack.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) - Fairwater 2

(00:03:20) - Business models for AGI

(00:12:48) - Copilot

(00:20:02) - Whose margins will expand most?

(00:36:17) - MAI

(00:47:47) - The hyperscale business

(01:02:44) - In-house chip & OpenAI partnership

(01:09:35) - The CAPEX explosion

(01:15:07) - Will the world trust US companies to lead AI?

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Tamara Jackson is the founder of Beaconship, a company dedicated to shaping the future of leadership through character-driven impact in boardrooms and communities. A self-described serial entrepreneur and faith-driven leader, Tamara draws on her extensive corporate background and personal journey to ignite purpose and character in others. With a deep passion for guiding leaders through times of transition, she specializes in developing high-character, high-purpose teams and helping the next generation live—and lead—with urgency and authenticity. Tamara is especially committed to facilitating the Great Wealth Transfer, ensuring that wisdom and opportunity are intentionally passed to future leaders. Takeaways: Character is the foundation of lasting and impactful leadership. Tamara stresses that strong character, more than titles or accolades, distinguishes great leaders and ensures their longevity. Emotional intelligence (EQ) is more important than IQ in today’s work environment. Modern leaders must focus on building authentic relationships, listening deeply, and self-reflecting to successfully guide diverse teams. Purpose-driven teams outperform performance-driven teams in the long run. By focusing on individual motivations and connecting with people on a deeper level, leaders inspire loyalty and higher achievement. Sound Bites: “People over paper. When you lean into relationships and purpose, that's when you truly ignite performance.” “This next generation wants receipts—not just fancy speeches, but transparency, vulnerability, and real connection.” “As a leader, being willing to hit replay—reflecting on your own actions and words—is the secret to building stronger, more connected teams.” Connect & Discover Tamara: Website: beaconship.co Website: leadreviver.pro Instagram: @thebeaconship Facebook: @thebeaconship LinkedIn: @coachtam Podcast: The Beacon Show with Tamara Jackson 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥   Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.   👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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In this lecture, military historian Sarah Paine explains how Russia—and specifically Stalin—completely derailed China’s rise, slowing them down for over a century.

This lecture was particularly interesting to me because, in my opinion, the Chinese Civil War is 1 of the top 3 most important events of the 20th century. And to understand why it transpired as it did, you need to understand Stalin’s role in the whole thing.

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(00:00:00) – How Russia took advantage of China’s weakness

(00:22:58) – After Stalin, China’s rise

(00:33:52) – Russian imperialism

(00:45:23) – China’s and Russia’s existential problems

(01:04:55) – Q&A: Sino-Soviet Split

(01:22:44) – Stalin’s lessons from WW2

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Jim Burns is a dynamic leader and community builder based in the Upstate of South Carolina. With roots just outside Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, Jim has become synonymous with development, community outreach, and economic growth in his adopted hometown. As the Chief Operating Officer for Hartness Development and founder of C LLC, specializing in strategy and execution excellence, Jim combines an entrepreneurial spirit with a deep commitment to purposeful leadership. He is known for championing personal growth, emotional intelligence, and the power of building strong, resilient teams—values that he credits to his “three Fs”: family, friends, and faith. Jim is also a former Greenville County Council member and an active participant in a wide range of local initiatives, leaving a lasting positive impact on his community. Takeaways Growth is Essential: Both personally and professionally, continual growth is key. Jim emphasizes that in business and life, “if you’re not growing, you’re dying”—intentional, measurable growth should be every leader’s focus. Self-Awareness Drives Leadership: Knowing your strengths and weaknesses enables you to build teams that complement your skill set, rather than trying to be everything to everyone. Surrounding yourself with strong, capable people is critical for organizational success. Emotional Intelligence in Action: Leading with emotional intelligence—especially self-regulation and empathy—allows leaders to handle challenges with composure and make better decisions, setting an example for their teams. Sound Bytes “You want your companies to grow, you want personal growth, you want the organizations that you’re a part of to grow—whether philanthropic or community or whatever.” “If you’re not growing, you’re dying... Plan for it. Be intentional about your growth.” “As a leader, what can I control? I can control what I think, what I say, and what I do. I can’t control anybody else.” Connect & Discover Jim: LinkedIn: @jim-burns Instagram: @hartnessliving 🔥 Ready to Unleash Your Inner Game-Changer? 🔥   Mick Hunt’s BEST SELLING book, How to Be a Good Leader When You’ve Never Had One: The Blueprint for Modern Leadership, is here to light a fire under your ambition and arm you with the real-talk strategies that only Mick delivers.  👉 Grab your copy now and level up your life → Amazon, Barnes & Noble, Books A Million    FOLLOW MICK ON: Spotify: MickUnplugged Instagram: @mickunplugged  Facebook: @mickunplugged YouTube:  @MickUnpluggedPodcast  LinkedIn: @mickhunt  Website:  MickHuntOfficial.com Apple: MickUnplugged Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices