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Dwarkesh Podcast
Dwarkesh Podcast

Sarah Paine – How Russia sabotaged China's rise

In this lecture, military historian Sarah Paine explains how Russia—and specifically Stalin—completely derailed China’s rise, slowing them down for over a century.

This lecture was particularly interesting to me because, in my opinion, the Chinese Civil War is 1 of the top 3 most important events of the 20th century. And to understand why it transpired as it did, you need to understand Stalin’s role in the whole thing.

Watch on YouTube; read the transcript.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – How Russia took advantage of China’s weakness

(00:22:58) – After Stalin, China’s rise

(00:33:52) – Russian imperialism

(00:45:23) – China’s and Russia’s existential problems

(01:04:55) – Q&A: Sino-Soviet Split

(01:22:44) – Stalin’s lessons from WW2



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01:30:36Oct 31, 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Dwarkesh Podcast

Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

As part of this interview, Satya Nadella gave Dylan Patel (founder of SemiAnalysis) and me an exclusive first-look at their brand-new Fairwater 2 datacenter.

Microsoft is building multiple Fairwaters, each of which has hundreds of thousands of GB200s & GB300s. Between all these interconnected buildings, they’ll have over 2 GW of total capacity. Just to give a frame of reference, even a single one of these Fairwater buildings is more powerful than any other AI datacenter that currently exists.

Satya then answered a bunch of questions about how Microsoft is preparing for AGI across all layers of the stack.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) - Fairwater 2

(00:03:20) - Business models for AGI

(00:12:48) - Copilot

(00:20:02) - Whose margins will expand most?

(00:36:17) - MAI

(00:47:47) - The hyperscale business

(01:02:44) - In-house chip & OpenAI partnership

(01:09:35) - The CAPEX explosion

(01:15:07) - Will the world trust US companies to lead AI?



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01:27:47Nov 12, 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Dwarkesh Podcast

An audio version of my blog post, Thoughts on AI progress (Dec 2025)

Read the essay here.

Timestamps

00:00:00 What are we scaling?

00:03:11 The value of human labor

00:05:04 Economic diffusion lag is cope00:06:34 Goal-post shifting is justified

00:08:23 RL scaling

00:09:18 Broadly deployed intelligence explosion



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00:12:28Dec 23, 2025
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Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

The Andrej Karpathy episode.

During this interview, Andrej explains why reinforcement learning is terrible (but everything else is much worse), why AGI will just blend into the previous ~2.5 centuries of 2% GDP growth, why self driving took so long to crack, and what he sees as the future of education.

It was a pleasure chatting with him.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – AGI is still a decade away

(00:29:45) – LLM cognitive deficits

(00:40:05) – RL is terrible

(00:49:38) – How do humans learn?

(01:06:25) – AGI will blend into 2% GDP growth

(01:17:36) – ASI

(01:32:50) – Evolution of intelligence & culture

(01:42:55) - Why self driving took so long

(01:56:20) - Future of education



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02:25:19Oct 17, 2025
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The Joe Rogan Experience
The Joe Rogan Experience

#2451 - Cheryl Hines

Cheryl Hines is an Emmy Award-nominated actress, director, producer, and comedian. While she is best known for her role as Cheryl David on the HBO series “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” Hines has appeared in numerous films and television series over a career spanning more than 30 years, and is married to U.S. Secretary of Health and Human Services Robert F. Kennedy Jr.  Her book, “Unscripted,” is available now.www.skyhorsepublishing.com/9781944824365/unscripted/ Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
03:10:09Feb 10, 2026
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Unblinded with Sean Callagy
Unblinded with Sean Callagy

Michael Uslan: The True Story of Batman With Sean Callagy

What does it really take to will an impossible vision into existence?In this unforgettable episode of Unblinded, Sean Callagy sits down with legendary producer Mike Uslan, the man who helped bring Batman to the big screen when everyone said it would never happen.This is not just a Hollywood story.It’s a masterclass in conviction, persistence, rejection, and identity-level belief.

Mike opens up about decades of “no’s,” being dismissed by studios, losing jobs, burning bridges — and why none of it mattered once he committed fully to the vision he knew was right.This conversation is about betting on yourself before the world agrees with you.What You’ll Hear in This Episode- Why Batman was considered “dead” in Hollywood — and how Mike refused to accept it.- The unseen emotional toll of carrying a vision alone for years.- How rejection sharpens belief instead of weakening it.- Why conviction must come before validation, not after.- The difference between “wanting success” and being willing to suffer for it.- How identity — not talent — determines who breaks through.- What most people misunderstand about perseverance.- Why believing early is lonely… and unavoidable.Timestamps00:00 – Opening: Belief Before PermissionSean sets the tone for a conversation about conviction, rejection, and seeing what others miss.04:45 – “They Told Me Batman Was Dead”Mike shares the moment Hollywood dismissed Batman—and why he refused to accept it.11:30 – Early Rejection & Creative IsolationWhat it feels like to believe in something no one else does.18:10 – Conviction vs. ValidationWhy external approval is a dangerous compass for creators and leaders.25:05 – The Long Road to Batman’s RevivalYears of persistence, setbacks, and quiet belief before the breakthrough.32:40 – Timing, Patience, and Staying the CourseWhy success often arrives later than expected—but right on time.39:50 – Identity, Integrity, and Creative CourageHolding your values when pressure demands compromise.47:20 – Influence Without Selling Your SoulHow Mike navigated power dynamics without losing himself.55:15 – Storytelling That EnduresWhy timeless stories come from truth, not trends.1:02:30 – Failure, Pain, and the Cost of BeliefThe emotional toll of staying committed when outcomes are uncertain.1:10:45 – Legacy Is Built in Invisible MomentsThe unseen work that defines impact more than applause.1:18:20 – Advice for Creators, Entrepreneurs, and DreamersMike’s guidance for anyone building something meaningful.1:26:40 – Reflection on Batman, Culture, and ImpactWhat Batman became—and what it still represents.1:35:15 – Final Lessons on Belief and EnduranceWhy the impossible often just needs time and faith.1:48:30 – Closing Thoughts & GratitudeSean and Mike reflect on legacy, belief, and staying true. Powerful Quotes from the Episode“They told me Batman was dead. I knew they were wrong.”“If you believe in something deeply enough, you’re willing to endure being misunderstood.”“The only way this doesn’t work is if you quit.”“Nobody joins you at the beginning. That’s the cost of being first.”Key Takeaways- Vision precedes permission.- Rejection is information, not identity.- Most people quit right before momentum begins.- True believers don’t need consensus.- Legacy is built by people who refuse to let go.Why This Episode MattersIf you’ve ever:Been told your idea was unrealistic.Felt alone in your conviction.Questioned whether the fight was worth it.Wondered how long belief has to last before results show up.This episode is for you.This conversation is a reminder that the world doesn’t reward potential —it rewards people who refuse to let go of what they see before it exists.

01:55:24Feb 10, 2026
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The Toast
The Toast

The Super Bowl Sequel: Tuesday, February 10th, 2026

1. Super Bowl 2026 Recap, Turdy’s Version (15:00) 2. Jake Paul Sobs as Fiancée Jutta Leerdam Wins Gold and Breaks Olympic Speedskating Record in Milan (PEOPLE) (33:34) 3. Taylor Frankie Paul Wonders If She's 'Worthy of Love' in First Promo for The Bachelorette Season 22 (PEOPLE) (37:34) 4. Marc Anthony says Beckham family feud is ‘hardly the truth’ after getting dragged into drama (Page Six) (44:27) 5. Kim Kardashian Appears to Be Cheered on by Lewis Hamilton as She Attempts 'Titanic Challenge' with Sisters Khloé and Kylie (PEOPLE) (48:14) - Dear Toasters Advice Segment (55:38) The Toast with Jackie (@JackieOshry) and Claudia Oshry (@girlwithnojob) ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Toast Patreon ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Toast Merch ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Girl With No Job by Claudia Oshry ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Camper & The Counselor⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Lean In Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
01:06:52Feb 10, 2026
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Good Hang with Amy Poehler
Good Hang with Amy Poehler

Jonathan Groff

Jonathan Groff is a good, nice boy. Amy hangs with the Broadway star and talks about playing Dorothy at 4 years old, why he smells horse when he listens to the cast recording of 'Company,' and stealing the show in 'Hamilton.' Host: Amy PoehlerGuests: Gracie Lawrence and Jonathan GroffExecutive Producers: Bill Simmons, Amy Poehler, and Jenna Weiss-BermanFor Paper Kite Productions: Executive producer Jenna Weiss-Berman, coordinator Sam Green, and supervising producer Joel LovellFor The Ringer: Supervising producers Juliet Litman, Sean Fennessey, and Mallory Rubin; video producers Jack Wilson, Belle Roman, and Aleya Zenieris; lighting director Caroline Jannace; audio producer Kaya McMullen; video editor Drew van Steenbergen; and booker Kat SpillaneOriginal Music: Amy Miles Order ALDI on Uber Eats: https://earn.sng.link/A99vk/i2fm/okid Visible. Live in the know. https://www.visible.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
01:24:08Feb 10, 2026