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Dwarkesh Podcast
Dwarkesh Podcast

Andrej Karpathy — AGI is still a decade away

The Andrej Karpathy episode.

During this interview, Andrej explains why reinforcement learning is terrible (but everything else is much worse), why AGI will just blend into the previous ~2.5 centuries of 2% GDP growth, why self driving took so long to crack, and what he sees as the future of education.

It was a pleasure chatting with him.

Watch on YouTube; read the transcript.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – AGI is still a decade away

(00:29:45) – LLM cognitive deficits

(00:40:05) – RL is terrible

(00:49:38) – How do humans learn?

(01:06:25) – AGI will blend into 2% GDP growth

(01:17:36) – ASI

(01:32:50) – Evolution of intelligence & culture

(01:42:55) - Why self driving took so long

(01:56:20) - Future of education



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02:25:19Oct 17, 2025
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The Level Up Podcast w/ Paul Alex
The Level Up Podcast w/ Paul Alex

How Lee Edward Smith & Katherine Aguilar Turned Dance, Culture & Real Estate Into an Empire

What happens when two world-class Latin dancers mix culture, community, and entrepreneurship? You get Lee Edward Smith (@leeelgringuito) & Katherine Aguilar (@kataguilarsmith) — the power couple behind DCBX (@dcbxevents), Rhythm Investor, and one of the strongest relationship-driven networks in real estate today. In this episode, we dive deep into how they transformed their passion for dance into a multi-industry empire built on connection, culture, and elite-level networking. 🌎✨ From hosting one of the largest Latin dance festivals in the world… → to building bridges with investors, entrepreneurs, and even billionaires… → to breaking into commercial real estate without coming from the industry… Lee & Katherine show you that your greatest advantages are the skills you already have — if you learn to leverage them correctly. 🔑 This conversation is packed with: 🔥 How to pivot industries without starting over 🔥 The power of culture in building communities & brands 🔥 How to attract high-level players into your network 🔥 Lessons from DCBX and Rhythm Investor 🔥 Mindset shifts that help couples build together — not apart 🔥 And the real importance of showing up in the rooms that matter If you’re an entrepreneur, creator, investor, or anyone looking to scale through relationships — this episode is your blueprint. 🚀 Make sure to add me on all platforms: Instagram: https://jo.my/paulalex2024 Facebook: https://jo.my/fbpaulalex2024 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNB9ivoJf7ppjuSplOAkEZw LinkedIn: https://jo.my/inpaulalex2024 Looking for a secondary source of income or want to become an entrepreneur? Check out one of my companies below to see if we can help you:www.CashSwipe.com FREE Copy of my book “Blue to Digital Gold - The New American Dream”www.officialPaulAlex.com YOUR NETWORK IS YOUR NETWORTH! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
01:04:12Dec 4, 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast

Satya Nadella — How Microsoft is preparing for AGI

As part of this interview, Satya Nadella gave Dylan Patel (founder of SemiAnalysis) and me an exclusive first-look at their brand-new Fairwater 2 datacenter.

Microsoft is building multiple Fairwaters, each of which has hundreds of thousands of GB200s & GB300s. Between all these interconnected buildings, they’ll have over 2 GW of total capacity. Just to give a frame of reference, even a single one of these Fairwater buildings is more powerful than any other AI datacenter that currently exists.

Satya then answered a bunch of questions about how Microsoft is preparing for AGI across all layers of the stack.

Watch on YouTube; read the transcript.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) - Fairwater 2

(00:03:20) - Business models for AGI

(00:12:48) - Copilot

(00:20:02) - Whose margins will expand most?

(00:36:17) - MAI

(00:47:47) - The hyperscale business

(01:02:44) - In-house chip & OpenAI partnership

(01:09:35) - The CAPEX explosion

(01:15:07) - Will the world trust US companies to lead AI?



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01:27:47Nov 12, 2025
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Dwarkesh Podcast

Sarah Paine — How Russia sabotaged China's rise

In this lecture, military historian Sarah Paine explains how Russia—and specifically Stalin—completely derailed China’s rise, slowing them down for over a century.

This lecture was particularly interesting to me because, in my opinion, the Chinese Civil War is 1 of the top 3 most important events of the 20th century. And to understand why it transpired as it did, you need to understand Stalin’s role in the whole thing.

Watch on YouTube; read the transcript.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – How Russia took advantage of China’s weakness

(00:22:58) – After Stalin, China’s rise

(00:33:52) – Russian imperialism

(00:45:23) – China’s and Russia’s existential problems

(01:04:55) – Q&A: Sino-Soviet Split

(01:22:44) – Stalin’s lessons from WW2



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01:30:36Oct 31, 2025
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Last Podcast On The Left
Last Podcast On The Left

Last Interview on the Left: Matt Bettinelli-Olpin & Tyler Gillett - Ready or Not 2: Here I Come

The boys sit down with the masterminds behind Radio Silence Productions - Matt Bettinelli-Olpin & Tyler Gillett, Directors of the explosive new dark comedy horror, Ready or Not 2: Here I Come in theaters TODAY - March 20th!
00:55:48Mar 20, 2026
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The Joe Rogan Experience
The Joe Rogan Experience

#2471 - Mark Normand

Mark Normand is a stand-up comedian, actor, and co-host of the podcasts “Tuesdays with Stories!” and “We Might Be Drunk.” His new special, “None Too Pleased,” is now streaming on Netflix.www.netflix.com/title/82155387www.youtube.com/@marknormandwww.marknormandcomedy.com Perplexity: Download the app or ask Perplexity anything at https://pplx.ai/rogan. Get a free welcome kit with your first subscription of AG1 at https://drinkag1.com/joerogan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices
02:49:07Mar 20, 2026
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Dwarkesh Podcast
Dwarkesh Podcast

Terence Tao – Kepler, Newton, and the true nature of mathematical discovery

We begin the episode with the absolutely ingenious and surprising way in which Kepler discovered the laws of planetary motion.

People sometimes say that AI will make especially fast progress at scientific discovery because of tight verification loops.

But the story of how we discovered the shape of our solar system shows how the verification loop for correct ideas can be decades (or even millennia) long.

During this time, what we know today as the better theory can actually make worse predictions.

And the reasons it survives this epistemic hell is some mixture of judgment and heuristics that we don’t even understand well enough to actually articulate, much less codify into an RL loop. Hope you enjoy!

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – Kepler was a high temperature LLM

(00:11:44) – How would we know if there’s a new unifying concept within heaps of AI slop?

(00:26:10) – The deductive overhang

(00:30:31) – Selection bias in reported AI discoveries

(00:46:43) – AI makes papers richer and broader, but not deeper

(00:53:00) – If AI solves a problem, can humans get understanding out of it?

(00:59:20) – We need a semi-formal language for the way that scientists actually talk to each other

(01:09:48) – How Terry uses his time

(01:17:05) – Human-AI hybrids will dominate math for a lot longer



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01:23:44Mar 20, 2026
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The Level Up Podcast w/ Paul Alex
The Level Up Podcast w/ Paul Alex

The Billion Dollar Boring Business

Everyone is chasing the next big trend… but the real money is being made in businesses most people overlook. In this episode of The Level Up Podcast, Paul Alex breaks down why “boring” businesses are often the most profitable, scalable, and reliable paths to building long-term wealth. While many entrepreneurs focus on going viral, building a personal brand, or launching the next flashy product, the truth is that consistent cash flow is usually built through infrastructure—services and systems that people use every single day. From payment processing to essential B2B services, the biggest opportunities often come from solving real, recurring problems instead of chasing attention. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why infrastructure-based businesses outperform trend-driven opportunities How recurring revenue and retention create predictable, scalable income Why focusing on utility and volume leads to long-term financial stability How to build a business that generates income without relying on constant visibility or virality The most successful entrepreneurs aren’t chasing attention—they’re building systems that quietly generate revenue behind the scenes. Because at the end of the day, flashy businesses may get the spotlight… but boring businesses build real wealth. Your Network is your NETWORTH! Make sure to add me on all SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS: Instagram: https://jo.my/paulalex2024 Facebook: https://jo.my/fbpaulalex2024 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGhDAD1JyGGzSQUPD9lc9HQ LinkedIn: https://jo.my/inpaulalex2024 Looking for a secondary source of income or want to become an entrepreneur? Check out one of my companies below to see if we can help you: www.CashSwipe.com FREE Copy of my book “Blue to Digital Gold - The New American Dream”www.officialPaulAlex.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
00:03:27Mar 20, 2026