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The Andrej Karpathy episode.

During this interview, Andrej explains why reinforcement learning is terrible (but everything else is much worse), why AGI will just blend into the previous ~2.5 centuries of 2% GDP growth, why self driving took so long to crack, and what he sees as the future of education.

It was a pleasure chatting with him.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – AGI is still a decade away

(00:29:45) – LLM cognitive deficits

(00:40:05) – RL is terrible

(00:49:38) – How do humans learn?

(01:06:25) – AGI will blend into 2% GDP growth

(01:17:36) – ASI

(01:32:50) – Evolution of intelligence & culture

(01:42:55) - Why self driving took so long

(01:56:20) - Future of education

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As part of this interview, Satya Nadella gave Dylan Patel (founder of SemiAnalysis) and me an exclusive first-look at their brand-new Fairwater 2 datacenter.

Microsoft is building multiple Fairwaters, each of which has hundreds of thousands of GB200s & GB300s. Between all these interconnected buildings, they’ll have over 2 GW of total capacity. Just to give a frame of reference, even a single one of these Fairwater buildings is more powerful than any other AI datacenter that currently exists.

Satya then answered a bunch of questions about how Microsoft is preparing for AGI across all layers of the stack.

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) - Fairwater 2

(00:03:20) - Business models for AGI

(00:12:48) - Copilot

(00:20:02) - Whose margins will expand most?

(00:36:17) - MAI

(00:47:47) - The hyperscale business

(01:02:44) - In-house chip & OpenAI partnership

(01:09:35) - The CAPEX explosion

(01:15:07) - Will the world trust US companies to lead AI?

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What happens when a career-ending injury becomes the catalyst for a completely new life? In today’s episode, Ted Stern (@fitresponder) shares how snapping his ankle on duty pushed him into the online world — and how that single moment transformed him from a frustrated first responder into a multiple 6-figure fitness entrepreneur. Ted breaks down the exact steps he used to scale from making a few thousand a month to consistently hitting $100K+ months, why niching saved his business, how first responders sabotage their own potential, and what it really takes to build a winning culture and team in 2025. We also dive deep into limiting beliefs, environment, accountability, and the mindset every first responder needs if they want to level up their health, income, and identity. Whether you're in law enforcement, an entrepreneur, or someone ready for a transformation — this episode is loaded with real, tactical value. In This Episode You’ll Learn: 🔥 How a broken ankle pushed Ted into online coaching 🔥 The moment he realized he’d never go back to law enforcement 🔥 Why most fitness coaches never break past $10K months 🔥 The mindset shifts that create 6–7 figure entrepreneurs 🔥 How environment and accountability reshape your entire life 🔥 The fitness warning signs every first responder ignores 🔥 Why investing in yourself is the highest ROI decision you’ll ever make Your Network is Your NETWORTH! Make sure to add me on all SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS: Instagram: https://jo.my/paulalex2024 Facebook: https://jo.my/fbpaulalex2024 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCNB9ivoJf7ppjuSplOAkEZw LinkedIn: https://jo.my/inpaulalex2024 Looking for a secondary source of income or want to become an entrepreneur? Check out one of my companies below to see if we can help you:www.CashSwipe.com FREE Copy of my book “Blue to Digital Gold - The New American Dream”www.officialPaulAlex.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In this lecture, military historian Sarah Paine explains how Britain used sea control, peripheral campaigns, and alliances to defeat Nazi Germany during WWII. She then applies this framework to today, arguing that Russia and China are similarly constrained by their geography, making them vulnerable in any conflict with maritime powers (like the U.S. and its allies).

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Timestamps

00:00:00 – How WW1 shaped WW2

00:15:10 – Hitler and Churchill’s battle to command the Atlantic

00:30:10 – Peripheral theaters leading up to Normandy

00:37:13 – The Eastern front

00:48:04 – Russia’s & China’s geographic prisons

01:00:28 – Hitler’s blunders & America’s industrial might

01:15:03 – Bismarck’s limited wars vs Hitler’s total war

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(0:00) Bestie intros: Travis Kalanick joins the show!

(0:42) Mamdani taxes the rich: new pied-à-terre tax coming to NYC

(11:23) OpenAI's identity crisis: Leaked memo, enterprise pivot, Anhropic valuation flip
(27:28) Big Tech's compute dominance: How will this impact frontier labs?

(33:53) Allbirds stock up over 400% on AI pivot, and what's behind the datacenter disaster?

(54:37) The Price is Wrong: Name That Overvalued Startup ROUND 1

(59:23) Eric Swalwell drops out of CA governor race and resigns from Congress: Who knew what and when? Impact of the Democratic Machine

(1:10:31) State of the market: Confusing indicators, pricing in Iran peace, AI's mixed results, inflated valuations

(1:26:31) The Price is Wrong: Name That Overvalued Startup ROUND 2

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Referenced in the show:

https://www.texastribune.org/2025/01/22/austin-texas-rents-falling

https://www.cnbc.com/2026/04/13/openai-touts-amazon-alliance-in-memo-microsoft-limited-our-ability.html

https://polymarket.com/event/gpt-5pt5-released-on

https://www.ft.com/content/04ac7917-940b-4606-be5f-9eb895a7d982

https://x.com/RihardJarc/status/2044725910566220095

https://x.com/RoundtableSpace/status/2041897604708233650

https://x.com/chamath/status/2043811625967530056

https://x.com/pmarca/status/2042742413098450998

https://www.reuters.com/business/allbirds-shares-jump-over-400-plans-pivot-ai-sneakers-2026-04-15

https://www.wsj.com/business/data-centers-are-a-gold-rush-for-construction-workers-6e3c5ce0

https://x.com/zerohedge/status/2043520934930239860

https://x.com/APompliano/status/2041946174677217733

https://x.com/IAPolls2022/status/2041589297489305717

https://www.tmz.com/2026/04/13/tmzdc-staff-starts-today

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/eric-swalwell-drops-bid-california-governor-sexual-misconduct-allegati-rcna277009

https://x.com/great_martis/status/2044454944808571015

https://x.com/GlobalMktObserv/status/2044059352466690501

https://x.com/mattcerminaro/status/2044546097230626819

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/04/13/influencers-allegations-eric-swalwell-00869517

https://x.com/JoeBiden/status/1815080881981190320

https://x.com/TimRunsHisMouth/status/1815088017847333273

https://www.npr.org/2024/07/08/nx-s1-5032737/biden-tells-democrats-stop-speculation

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If you’re treating your business like a personal piggy bank… You’re building a liability, not an asset. In this episode of The Level Up Podcast, Paul Alex breaks down a critical mistake that can cost you everything—failing to separate your personal and business finances. Because let’s be real… An LLC alone doesn’t protect you. A business bank account alone doesn’t protect you. Your structure and discipline do. In this episode, you’ll learn: Why mixing personal and business finances destroys your legal protection How to properly separate your company from your personal life Why reinvesting into your business is key to long-term scale How clean financial systems increase your company’s valuation Because real entrepreneurs don’t just make money… They protect it. They build systems. They create structure. They operate like a real corporation. No shortcuts. No sloppy finances. No unnecessary risk. Just a business that is built to last—and built to scale. Your Network is your NETWORTH! Make sure to add me on all SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS: Instagram: https://jo.my/paulalex2024 Facebook: https://jo.my/fbpaulalex2024 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCGhDAD1JyGGzSQUPD9lc9HQ LinkedIn: https://jo.my/inpaulalex2024 Looking for a secondary source of income or want to become an entrepreneur? Check out one of my companies below to see if we can help you: www.CashSwipe.com FREE Copy of my book “Blue to Digital Gold - The New American Dream”www.officialPaulAlex.com Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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