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AI agents are approaching a point where they can use computers faster than expert humans, turning the user interface itself into a universal way for AI to interact with software. OpenAI’s Ari Weinstein and James Sun argue that computer use is now entering its scaling moment, as better models, faster execution, and stronger safety controls make agents practical for more consumer and enterprise work. Ari and James join a16z’s Seema Amble and Fabrizio Serafini to explain how computer-using agents are already navigating legacy ERPs, reconciling financial data, handling procurement, and operating software without APIs or custom integrations. They also discuss why the harness around the model can matter as much as model intelligence, how enterprises can set deterministic guardrails around agent behavior, and why computer use could simultaneously extend the life of legacy software and accelerate the arrival of new AI-native applications. Looking ahead, they make the case for a more proactive and fluid relationship with computers, where agents work in the background, collaborate with users in real time, and increasingly adapt to us rather than requiring us to learn how to use them.

What should school look like if AI can help students learn dramatically faster? Alpha School founder Joe Liemandt argues the answer isn’t to fill the extra time with more academics, but to redesign school around the skills traditional classrooms struggle to teach: agency, teamwork, entrepreneurship, communication, and doing hard things. Joe joins Erik Torenberg and Horowitz and Andreessen Academy co-founder Gagan Biyani to discuss Alpha’s model, where students spend two hours a day on core academics and the rest developing real-world skills through projects. They explore what that approach can teach higher education, why motivation may matter more than curriculum, and how HAA is applying similar principles to college-age students by putting building, relationships, and real-world experience at the center of the learning experience. They also discuss what parents need to believe before choosing a new educational model, why Joe expects AI to drive an explosion in entrepreneurship, and why the most important question for students may not be which field is safest from AI, but what they care enough about to build.

Steven Kotler is a bestselling author and the executive director of the Flow Research Collective, where he studies the science of peak performance. Most of us have felt it. Hours disappear, everything else fades away, and the work seems to do itself. But what’s actually happening in those moments, and can you make them happen on purpose? Kotler has spent decades studying flow, and he makes the case that it’s far more trainable than most people think. We talk about what brings it on, how hard a task should be before it pulls you in, and why the hobby you gave up as an adult might matter more than you realize. We also get into what frustration is really telling you when you’re learning, how play compares with practice, how to focus on work you’d rather not be doing, and how to think clearly when there’s more information than ever and fewer people checking it. ----- Chapters: (0:00) Intro (0:10) The Most Addictive State on Earth (0:38) Signs You're in Flow (Most People Miss These) (1:51) The Real Secret to Peak Performance (3:03) The Hidden Biology Behind Flow and Focus (4:09) How to Get Into a Flow State (5:31) Why You Need One "Flow Activity" (7:18) The Hidden Thing Blocking Your Flow (7:45) The Burnout Mistake High Performers Make (8:50) Unexpected Flow Triggers (12:02) Why Willpower Won't Stop Distractions (15:34) Why ADHD Can Be a Flow Advantage (23:20) The #1 Way to Increase Performance (25:48) The Motivation Myth Holding You Back (27:26) Why Spite Is a Dangerous Motivator (30:44) The Best Mental State for Learning (33:03) Why Frustration Helps You Learn (35:41) The Daily Habit That Boosts Flow Most (38:53) The Thinking Mistake Almost Everyone Makes (50:25) The Moment Your Brain Learns Best (57:31) The Surprising Way to Relieve Autoimmune Symptoms ----- Follow Steven Kotler: X: https://x.com/steven_kotlerhttps://x.com/steven_kotler ----- Newsletter: The Brain Food newsletter delivers actionable insights and thoughtful ideas every Sunday. It takes 5 minutes to read, and it’s completely free. Learn more and sign up at ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠fs.blog/newsletter⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ------ Follow Shane Parrish: X: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://x.com/shaneparrish⁠⁠ Insta: ⁠⁠https://www.instagram.com/farnamstreet/⁠⁠ LinkedIn: ⁠⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/shane-parrish-050a2183/⁠⁠ ----- Thank you to the sponsors for this episode: +Applovin: Launch your first AppLovin campaign and grow your business: ⁠https://applovin.com/shane⁠ +HeyGen is a message-first AI video platform that helps people and AI agents turn ideas into professional video in minutes. Try for free at ⁠https://www.heygen.com/tkp⁠ +Matic: the robot vacuum that does it all—grab yourself a year of free bags here. ⁠http://maticrobots.com/shaneparrish⁠ +LMNT: My go-to zero sugar electrolytes — get a free LMNT Sample Pack here: ⁠https://DrinkLMNT.com/TKP⁠ ----- + Members get the longer, extended version of this conversation, with additional content not included in the public release. Learn more: ⁠https://fs.blog/membership/⁠ Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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What does it take to build robots that can actually work in factories and warehouses? Tutor Intelligence CEO Josh Gruenstein argues robotics is a systems problem spanning AI, hardware, manufacturing, and the work itself. Josh joins a16z General Partners Martin Casado and Raghu Raghuram to explain Tutor’s approach: deploy robots into real businesses, use human “tutors” when needed, and turn that work into training data that makes the robots more capable. They discuss Tutor’s 100-robot data factory, robots starting at roughly $16 an hour, advances in spatial reasoning, and what flexible robotic labor could mean for American manufacturing and the physical economy.

Can relentless optimization create as much value as breakthrough invention? Bending Spoons CEO Luca Ferrari argues that radical innovation can produce extraordinary outcomes, but systematic improvement can be more dependable, especially when paired with a model designed to compound over decades. Speaking with a16z General Partner Anish Acharya at Wave by Vento, Luca explains how Bending Spoons acquires technology companies, integrates them onto a shared platform, improves their economics, and reinvests the resulting cash into new acquisitions. They discuss the tradeoffs between growth and profitability, how to use debt without putting the company at risk, and why long-term thinking can create an advantage. They also debate whether AI really threatens SaaS, why moats like brand, proprietary data, network effects, and switching costs still matter, and how Bending Spoons is already using AI across coding, customer support, and data analysis.

What if finding your next job, co-founder, or collaborator depended less on a resume and more on who is willing to vouch for you? Cosign is building a professional network around those signals, with the longer-term goal of giving AI agents access to the relationship and reputation data that traditional networks keep locked away. a16z New Media’s David Booth and Dhruv Gupta join MTS to introduce the Cosign Awards, which recognize standout operators, companies, and products based on nominations from the people who know their work. They also unpack the bigger idea behind Cosign: mapping the people and relationships that rarely show up in public data, then making that graph accessible to both humans and agents. Looking ahead, they imagine professional networking where your personal agent can talk directly to a company’s agent, determine whether there’s a potential fit, and only bring the opportunity to you when there’s a genuine “coincidence of intent.”

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Timestamps

(00:00:00) – How Caro gets people to talk

(00:05:03) – Does America need a little more Moses today?

(00:12:42) – Moses the young idealist

(00:17:57) – Watching Moses lose power

(00:24:01) – Did Moses realize he was changing?

(00:27:53) – Building during the Great Depression

(00:32:51) – The threats and promises of Lyndon Johnson

(00:36:08) – Could Kennedy have passed Johnson’s laws?

(00:41:00) – Getting a book down to one sentence

(00:46:21) – All the material that never made it into the books

(00:52:59) – Loneliness

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