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M. Gessen returns to our show with a true-crime story that takes place entirely within their own family. This story comes to us from the producers at Serial Productions—who invented the true-crime podcast more than a decade ago—and from The New York Times.

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• Act One: M Gessen tells Ira Glass about the surprising events that prompted them to begin reporting on their own family for their new podcast, The Idiot. They play the first episode of the series. (14 minutes)
• Act Two: Ira Glass and M Gessen continue to talk through the story of M’s cousin, Allen Gessen. They play more clips from the podcast, and we finally hear about the big, shocking thing that snapped their family apart. (20 minutes)
• Act Three: M Gessen tells Ira Glass about Allen’s trial, and we hear a recording of his conversation with the undercover agent. (21 minutes)

Transcripts are available at thisamericanlife.org

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Economics of AGI episode w Alex Imas and Phil Trammell.

There’s a bunch of important questions about how we deal with AI that only economics can answer.

What is the optimal way to tax and redistribute the wealth that will be generated? How should countries not in the AI supply chain index into the gains? Is there any world where inequality doesn’t explode?

It might seem like these questions have obvious answers, but the first thing economics teaches you is that your intuitions can often be entirely wrong.

It was very helpful to chat through these things with Alex and Phil.

Watch on YouTube; read the transcript.

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(00:00:00) – Will capital share increase?

(00:19:36) – Messy Middle scenario

(00:25:57) – How to tax and redistribute AI wealth

(00:30:02) – Why demand collapse is unlikely

(00:39:26) – Human employees would be hard to integrate into the machine economy

(00:43:08) – What if some humans (or AIs) value wealth accumulation intrinsically?

(01:01:28) – What should developing countries do?