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--:-- Oliver Conway: You're listening to the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. Hello, I'm Oliver Conway. This edition is published at 16 Hours GMT on Monday the 29th of September. Hackers have tried to recruit our cyber correspondent, offering him a share of the ransom in return for access to the BBC computer systems. We'll have the story.
--:-- Oliver Conway: As we record this podcast, President Trump is due to meet the Israeli Prime Minister to discuss a new US plan to end the war in Gaza. And can Europe stop Russia's drones? Also in the podcast...
--:-- Joe Tidy: This variation which gives a stripy colour, it looks a bit like a sunrise or a sunset that relates to the vitamin D content, which is because it's called the sunshine vitamin. Could genetically modified tomatoes boost our health?
--:-- Oliver Conway: Now, if you want to hack into an organisation's computer network, is it a good idea to target their cyber specialist? Well, our cyber correspondent Joe Tidy has recently been contacted by criminals hoping to get into the BBC system. They promised him a large cut of any ransom if he gave them his login details.
--:-- Joe Tidy: They offered me quite a deal. So this was a random message that I received from someone calling themselves Syndicate on the encrypted chat app Signal. And they said, we would like you to hand over your password, login and security codes, and we'll give you a share of the ransom that we will extract from the BBC.
--:-- Joe Tidy: So they wanted an in and they hoped that I would be it and they were hoping to basically steal as much private data as they could or install some malicious software maybe ransomware and then get the BBC to pay them tens of millions of pounds in a ransom and I would and I would get a decent chunk of that.
--:-- Joe Tidy: They offered me 25% of the of the ransom obviously I had no intention of selling out the BBC but I but I sort of played along for a few days to try and find out how these things work because this is a thing.
--:-- Joe Tidy: The insider threat is something that we talk about in cybersecurity, but it's very rare to kind of have that firsthand insight of it. And so did at any point these criminals get close to getting into the BBC systems?
--:-- Joe Tidy: Well, no. I mean, I was in control the whole time, but there was this very troubling moment at the end, which was quite, well, genuinely quite chilling for me because after about three days of playing along with these criminals, they wanted me to run a piece of code on my laptop to see what kind of IT access I had in order for them to kind of work out their next steps of once I hand over my password and log in, what would they do?
--:-- Joe Tidy: How would they go about hacking the BBC? And I didn't want to do that because I was sort of worried that it might actually give them some sort of information that could put the BBC in jeopardy.
--:-- Joe Tidy: So I sort of stalled for time and tried to get the IT team to talk to me about it on Monday. This was Sunday afternoon. But they ran out of patience, these hackers.
--:-- Joe Tidy: They're from a gang called Meduza. And they bombarded my phone with login requests through our authenticator app so you know when you try and log into your your bbc account or any accounts i suppose people listening will have this as well and it comes up with a is this you trying to log in and you click accept so i had every minute for about an hour i had these pop-ups coming on my phone and it was and again this is a technique i know about this is something i've reported on called multi-factor um uh bombing an mfa bomb and uh and i knew not to do anything i knew basically to leave my phone alone and don't open it because, you know, I could accidentally let the criminals in.
--:-- Joe Tidy: But it was a very troubling thing to be on the receiving end of. I would liken it to kind of like you're talking to a criminal on the phone and then suddenly they're at your front door and they're banging quite aggressively on your door.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Joe Tidy talking to Rob Young.
--:-- Oliver Conway: From hacking to another kind of scam and President Trump has posted a now deleted video promoting fake news about something called med beds. The footage appears to have been generated by AI and describes what would be an extraordinary innovation in healthcare if it were real.
--:-- Oliver Conway: It shows space age pods which are, quote, designed to restore every citizen to full health and strength. The claim that these can restore lost limbs or reverse ageing is popular among QAnon conspiracy theorists.
--:-- Mike Wendling: I heard more about the video from our correspondent, Mike Wendling.
--:-- Mike Wendling: It is all fake. The report that Donald Trump posted is fake. And the idea of med beds, which there's various different strands, but basically it's a miracle cure that people posit has been hidden from the public by the government, by big pharma, and that these med beds, you lie in them and it can cure, like you said in the intro, all sorts of different things, but it's complete fiction.
--:-- Mike Wendling: And you've actually visited a med bed facility. What did you make of it?
--:-- Mike Wendling: I did. It was quite a sad place. It was an old hotel. Some of the signage of the hotel chain that had owned the building was still visible. But the skeleton medical staff that was in the hotel sort of led me to a room. Underneath the bed in that room, there were a bunch of canisters filled with, as far as I could tell, sort of inert material.
--:-- Mike Wendling: And they said, lie down and you will feel rejuvenated and restored in about an hour. I talked to some of the people who used these in a more, I guess, credulous way. And, you know, I have to say that they were people who were fed up with the American health care system and had some very serious illnesses and they couldn't find help.
--:-- Mike Wendling: So that's the kind of people who are being preyed upon, honestly, by some of these med-bed care providers.
--:-- Mike Wendling: Yeah. So what will be the impact of President Trump posting this video?
--:-- Mike Wendling: Well, he has deleted it. And I don't think this will be more than a blip. It is a message to his followers, a message to the people who believe in these things and believe in QAnon type things.
--:-- Mike Wendling: But I don't think it's going to have a very long lasting impact, if I'm honest, on American health care policy. But once he's deleted it, others could, of course, have already reposted it.
--:-- Oliver Conway: As we record this podcast the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is about to meet the US President at the White House, his fourth visit this year.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Donald Trump will be trying to convince the Israeli leader to sign up to a new 21-point peace plan for Gaza. If he did so, it would represent a big turnaround for Mr. Netanyahu.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Less than three weeks ago, he authorised a failed attempt to wipe out Hamas's negotiating team in Qatar. But President Trump is optimistic, posting, we will get it done on Truth Social.
--:-- Oliver Conway: The families of Israeli hostages are desperate for an agreement and have called on the US leader to reject any efforts to sabotage the deal.
--:-- Oliver Conway: On Sunday, Hamas called for a 24-hour pause in Israeli attacks to protect the lives of two hostages it said it had lost contact with.
--:-- Yehuda Cohen: Netanyahu's government called it psychological terror. The fact that families had to go through this after two years of suffrage, to go through it again in the last moment when there's an agreement reached, I put the blame on Netanyahu's government.
--:-- Yehuda Cohen: And I hope President Trump will put down the hill on Netanyahu and force him to end the war, get a hostage deal and move on.
--:-- Yehuda Cohen: We have to fight to end my son, my innocent son's suffering.
--:-- Yaakov Katz: The main sticking point here is going to be what role does the Palestinian Authority play?
--:-- Yaakov Katz: He has said that that is a red line for him, that he will not allow the Palestinian Authority to control Gaza.
--:-- Yaakov Katz: And the other one is any declaration by Israel that it's now embarking on a some sort of track or process towards a Palestinian state.
--:-- Yaakov Katz: But I think in the bigger picture here is that if there is in fact a window to get back all of the hostages, it's going to be almost impossible for Netanyahu to reject a deal that would see all the hostages return home.
--:-- Yolande Now: According to Israeli media, things are looking quite positive for that. They're saying that the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, one of his key aides, have been meeting both Steve Wyckoff, President Trump's Middle East envoy, and Jared Kushner in the past day or so.
--:-- Yolande Now: They have supposedly ironed out many of the differences of opinion and agreed on revisions to this 21-point plan that the White House has already put to Arab leaders and the leaders of Muslim-majority countries.
--:-- Yolande Now: and there's a White House official being quoted saying that the US and Israel are very close to an agreement on the Trump plan for ending the war and looking through just in the headlines the Israeli media are picking up from Arab media Hamas sources saying that they welcome the Trump proposal they haven't seen it in any detail yet but they're looking for guarantees Israel will honour commitments that they want a timetable for the implementation of the plan an advisor to the Palestinian Authority saying that they view these efforts very seriously and positively as well.
--:-- Yolande Now: But they're just also making these comments based on leaks that they've seen to the media.
--:-- Yolande Now: Yeah, I mean, what do we know about the plan so far?
--:-- Yolande Now: We have just a very sort of general outline of what it contains from these different leaks that there have been, and some journalists claiming to have seen the draft.
--:-- Yolande Now: But we know that it's a work in progress too. So headlines are this idea that Hamas would release all the hostages in the first 48 hours after an agreement's reached, that there would be a phased withdrawal of Israeli forces from the Gaza Strip.
--:-- Yolande Now: You would have Hamas having no future role in governance. That is something that it has accepted. But what it hasn't is this idea that it would disarm.
--:-- Yolande Now: You would have, apparently, according to this plan, two levels of governance for a kind of interim period.
--:-- Yolande Now: and the different outlines don't give full details of a timeline for this, but they're saying there would be an international body and a committee of Palestinian technocrats.
--:-- Yolande Now: Crucially for a lot of Palestinians, this is not talking about forced displacement of the Palestinian population as a previous White House plan did, or the previous White House plan envisaged Palestinians, all two million of them, leaving the Gaza Strip for President Trump's Riviera plan.
--:-- Yolande Now: That now seems to have gone off the table.
--:-- Oliver Conway: It's estimated that as many as one billion people have vitamin D deficiency, which can cause problems with bone and muscle development.
--:-- Oliver Conway: But scientists in the UK think they've come up with a way of boosting vitamin D levels via genetically edited tomatoes.
--:-- Oliver Conway: They've been carrying out the first clinical trial of its kind in Britain and are recruiting volunteers to taste the fruit.
--:-- Nikki Fox: On the outside and on the inside, tomatoes at the John Innes Centre look and taste like any other.
--:-- Nikki Fox: But in the Norfolk greenhouses, they've been bred to contain something that many lack, vitamin D.
--:-- Nikki Fox: Researchers believe there's enough in four to meet an adult's daily requirement.
--:-- Professor Cathy Martin: Why tomatoes? Because it's relatively easy to do it.
--:-- Professor Cathy Martin: It wouldn't have worked in other vegetables, such as broccoli or cabbage.
--:-- Professor Cathy Martin: And lots and lots of people eat tomatoes, even tomato pastes and pizzas and ketchup.
--:-- Professor Cathy Martin: Gene editing switches individual genes on and off by snipping out a section of DNA.
--:-- Professor Cathy Martin: Doing this in the tomato means a substance can build up because the gene that stops it is turned off.
--:-- Professor Cathy Martin: It's that substance, or pro-vitamin, that when exposed to light turns into vitamin D.
--:-- Nikki Fox: For the first time in the UK, 76 people are on clinical trials to test genetically edited food.
--:-- Nikki Fox: The tomatoes are frozen, then freeze-dried and added to soup.
--:-- Professor Martin Warren: In summertime, just through exposure to sunlight, we can make enough of our own vitamin D.
--:-- Professor Martin Warren: But in wintertime, when the sun is lower, we don't get the UV rays coming through and you don't make enough of your own vitamin D and you've got to get it from a food source.
--:-- Professor Martin Warren: Traditionally, that food source would be oily fish, eggs.
--:-- Professor Martin Warren: But of course, a lot of those foods are not necessarily palatable to everybody.
--:-- Nikki Fox: Participants wear a UV necklace to check it's the tomatoes, not the sun, giving them vitamin D.
--:-- Nikki Fox: The results go straight to researchers.
--:-- Professor Martin Warren: So we're breeding a new type of tomato.
--:-- Professor Martin Warren: We kind of want them labelled so that consumers have a choice and we think that this variation which gives a stripy colour it looks a bit like a sunrise or a sunset and that relates to the vitamin D content because it's called the sunshine vitamin.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Campaigners say genetically edited food won't be traceable if something goes wrong but the government argues it can boost food security and improve disease resistance It backing the technology with a multi pound investment
--:-- Nikki Fox: reporting
--:-- Oliver Conway: And still to come on the Global News podcast Rembrandt would probably rather love the idea of being launched on the stock market in some way.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Art fans are invited to buy a share of a masterpiece. But is it really worth it?
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--:-- Ulrika Franke: Nearly 9 in 10 Americans who've been diagnosed with depression or anxiety believe that mental health medications are somewhat or very effective.
--:-- Ulrika Franke: However, despite that belief, more than half of those individuals say they have avoided taking medication due to concerns about potential side effects.
--:-- Dr. Whitney Brown: As part of my treatment plan, I offer the GeneSight test, which analyzes how a patient's genes may influence how they metabolize or respond to certain mental health medications.
--:-- Dr. Whitney Brown: It gives me insights and takes out some of the guesswork that can be associated with prescribing them.
--:-- Ulrika Franke: If you or someone you love is facing challenges with depression or anxiety, talk to your doctor about how genetic testing may help.
--:-- Ulrika Franke: To learn more, visit genesight.com. That's genesight.com.
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--:-- Oliver Conway: Norway, Denmark, Germany, Romania and Poland have all reported drone incursions around their airspace in recent days and weeks, prompting suspicions that Russia is pursuing a deliberate policy of testing NATO defences.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Now, the Danish government has temporarily banned civilians from flying drones as it prepares to host an EU summit this week.
--:-- Ulrika Franke: Some of them can be picked up by radar, but that doesn't give you anything more than, well, there's something flying there.
--:-- Ulrika Franke: What we don't have is proper identification that tells you much about, you know, the model, the type.
--:-- Ulrika Franke: It certainly doesn't tell you who flies them. For that kind of information, usually you need to down the drone to find out more.
--:-- Ulrika Franke: I think the number one information I want to gather is, can European countries respond? Do they have systems in place? How do they respond?
--:-- Ulrika Franke: They're shooting them down. Can they figure out where these drones are coming from? What's their reaction?
--:-- Ulrika Franke: And so, so far, quite honestly, on these drone sightings, our reaction hasn't been great because, again, we haven't been able to down them and we are a little bit panicky.
--:-- Ulrika Franke: I mean, for good reason, I want to say.
--:-- Ulrika Franke: But so in terms of the kind of information Russia, if it is Russia, is gathering here, that's quite useful for them.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Sweden and France have confirmed they will provide Denmark with counter-drone support.
--:-- Oliver Conway: and the UK is thought to be considering a similar move.
--:-- Oliver Conway: The EU has already agreed to create a so-called drone wall to protect Europe's eastern borders, but will it deter Russia?
--:-- Justin Crump: No, unfortunately, because one of the things that Russia, I think, wants to achieve is to increase the cost of defending Europe on the basis that every pound that goes to defending Europe is something that doesn't go to Ukraine.
--:-- Justin Crump: So it's a success for the Russians regardless.
--:-- Justin Crump: They're trying to get us to have to spend money. They're trying to get us to defend themselves.
--:-- Justin Crump: And their calculation is that populations won't want to do that.
--:-- Justin Crump: They say, why are we even opposing Russia's wishes?
--:-- Justin Crump: The calculation is, would you just let your adversary, and Russia is undoubtedly our closest adversary within Europe and the really tangible threat.
--:-- Justin Crump: Would you just allow them to fly over your territory with impunity with drones? Well, you can't really allow that.
--:-- Justin Crump: So you've got to stop them, frankly.
--:-- Justin Crump: And I think it's better to be thinking about how we'd stop a threat like this than doing nothing and actually looking even more weak.
--:-- Justin Crump: Russia will keep the pressure on. We've seen that melt over 10 years.
--:-- Justin Crump: I'm afraid it'll accelerate over the coming years, but at least we are reacting.
--:-- Justin Crump: We are doing something. We're doing something proactive to defend ourselves.
--:-- Oliver Conway: A week after Typhoon Mueloy swept through the Philippines, Vietnam has felt the full force of the storm.
--:-- Oliver Conway: At least 13 people have been killed and rescuers are searching for dozens of fishermen after their boats were hit by huge waves.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Vietnam is still recovering from a powerful typhoon that struck two months ago.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Bo Loi has now moved into neighbouring Laos, where it's since weakened.
--:-- Nha Pham: It's quite scary actually because we had a power cut and we are in central Hanoi.
--:-- Nha Pham: But the most dangerous situation is in Nga An and Hatin provinces where communication is totally disrupted
--:-- Nha Pham: And they've been experiencing such isolation that nobody can actually access mountainous areas to verify the damage.
--:-- Nha Pham: What kind of action happened before landfall to prepare for it and particularly protect or help the places that are most vulnerable?
--:-- Nha Pham: Last week when Ragazza, the typhoon, the biggest typhoon that hit South China Sea in many years, happened, And the Vietnamese authorities have already mobilized the military and warned people out of the areas that are prone to disasters.
--:-- Nha Pham: However, Ragasa didn't hit that hard. It damaged more Taiwan, not Vietnam.
--:-- Nha Pham: But this typhoon actually is more unpredictable, faster and actually causing much more concern.
--:-- Nha Pham: Hundreds of thousands of people have been moved to higher locations from the coastal areas of Vietnam.
--:-- Nha Pham: So they're being sheltered in schools and community halls to wait for the typhoon to pass.
--:-- Nha Pham: So I think the preparation was quite good because people have been very mindful about disasters and typhoons this season.
--:-- Nha Pham: Yet the intensity and the danger, the risk of the typhoons actually is still very high because, as I said, it's unpredictable and the speed is quite high.
--:-- Nha Pham: What about the intensity of a typhoon like this Is this something that Vietnam is familiar with It very unusual because you know normally when I was growing up in Vietnam we experienced maximum nine typhoons per year.
--:-- Nha Pham: So typhoon number nine is already like the end of typhoon season. Yeah, this is number 10 and we still see no end of it.
--:-- Nha Pham: So weather is changing very, very fast. So we can only be prepared, you know, do our best actually to cope with the situation right now.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Sixteen members of an online crime syndicate operating in Myanmar have been sentenced to death in China.
--:-- Oliver Conway: 23 others have been given prison sentences.
--:-- Oliver Conway: China has been trying to crack down on scam centres located over the border in Shan State in Myanmar, where tens of thousands of Chinese and other nationalities were forced to work against their will.
--:-- Oliver Conway: The syndicate includes many members of one notorious family.
--:-- Oliver Conway: As I heard from our Southeast Asia correspondent, Jonathan Head.
--:-- Jonathan Head: They're the Ming family and they became notorious because of an event in one of the scam centres.
--:-- Jonathan Head: Now China sort of green-lighted an insurgent operation in this far north eastern corner of Shan State, specifically because of its concern about the scam centres and the fact that the Myanmar military was doing nothing about shutting them down.
--:-- Jonathan Head: And by the end of 2023, the beginning of last year, these insurgents had taken control of this border town.
--:-- Jonathan Head: And this family was running one compound called Crouching Tiger Villa, in which, in particular, really appalling abuses were alleged.
--:-- Jonathan Head: And we believe there was an incident where a number of people were shot dead.
--:-- Jonathan Head: We think among those were four undercover Chinese police officers, which probably was the last straw for China.
--:-- Jonathan Head: So once that town was taken over, the insurgents who'd taken over handed over the leaders of the clans who ran this town and ran the scam centres to China.
--:-- Jonathan Head: And the Ming family were perhaps the most notorious.
--:-- Jonathan Head: In fact, the patriarch supposedly committed suicide when he was captured.
--:-- Jonathan Head: But the others have been in Chinese custody since the end of 2023.
--:-- Jonathan Head: and now China has imposed these very harsh sentences, sending a signal to anybody else who might be involved in the scam industry that this is the kind of treatment you will get if you get handed back to China.
--:-- Jonathan Head: Now, this particular border town is very close to China. It's on the border and a large number of the people both working in it, forced to work in it, many of them, and victims, the ones who are being defrauded with online fraud operations, were Chinese.
--:-- Jonathan Head: So it was a big concern to China.
--:-- Jonathan Head: It's not the first action we've seen China take. They put pressure on the Thais earlier this year to take action on their border with Myanmar.
--:-- Jonathan Head: So if there's a pattern here of China trying to show its own citizens that it is determined to stamp out this international crime, even though it takes place technically in another country.
--:-- Jonathan Head: Yeah. And has this action by China stopped this activity on its border? No, it hasn't.
--:-- Jonathan Head: I mean, it has in Laokai, as far as we know. That town is now under the control of this the same insurgent group who captured it.
--:-- Jonathan Head: and they say they've stamped it out.
--:-- Jonathan Head: And we think along China's border with Myanmar, it's largely been stamped out or pushed right underground.
--:-- Jonathan Head: But on the Thai-Myanmar border, despite Thailand's actions, there are still tens of thousands of people working in scam centres that have proliferated there.
--:-- Jonathan Head: And huge numbers of scam centres are operating in Cambodia.
--:-- Jonathan Head: That's a country that's closely allied to China, and yet the scams seem to be going on there without any real control.
--:-- Jonathan Head: So China's actions haven't stopped it.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Finally, is it worth taking a share in a painting by one of the old masters, Rembrandt, say, or Vermeer?
--:-- Oliver Conway: On the one hand, you get to own a piece of something remarkable, but you'd never get to hang it on your wall.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: I'm not sure what we're getting. I think we're getting just a little kind of digital slither, which we can never see, so we don't even own a fraction of the pictures themselves because I understand the collection is not going to be sold or broken up.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: I'm totally with Bender. I have no idea how this is going to work.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: But I suppose what you could do is you could have a little slip that maybe would give you permission to go in and see your painting if you happened to be in the country where it was being shown.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: Or it could work a bit like racehorse ownership when people buy a leg or syndicates buy a part of it.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: And that rather than sort of buying the painting, you're buying the fun around the painting.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: So maybe you get invited to all the posh private views when it's being on show or you get to hobnob with the sort of people that you'd rather like to hobnob with in the art world.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: It's just a new take on the commerciality of it.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: Rembrandt's students, apparently, used to enjoy sticking a golden gilder to the floor of his studio to watch that avaricious master bend down and try and scrabble it up, even though it was glued to the floor.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: So Rembrandt would have probably rather loved the idea of being launched on the stock market in some way.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: If this tokenisation got me a little fraction of a picture, which Tom might sell one day, because he's a brilliant businessman and I know that I would probably make a little bit of money as well as enjoying my slice of Rembrandt, then I'm straight in there.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: But if it's just a sort of attempt to say, oh, I'm increasing accessibility to the old masters, then I would say, honestly, you can go to the National Gallery because in the UK, we collectively publicly own more than 50 Rembrandts already.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: So we do already own a slice of a Rembrandt. And if you're really keen, you know, you can buy an original Rembrandt engraving or a print made shortly after he died for really not much money these days.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: If you think about the acquisition of something, we're all so acquisitive. It's one of the ways, when I go into a gallery with a child, a way to make them look at this fantastic collection we have is to say, which one would you like to take home?
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: It appeals to a fundamentally acquisitive part of us. And people go in and look very differently.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: So maybe just this chance that we might own a little bit will make us look harder and better.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: And sometimes coming up with new ideas like this, which old stick in the muds like me, you might think is a little bit eccentric.
--:-- Rachel Campbell-Johnson: But we've got to try these things, I suppose, to get us talking about great artists like Rembrandt.
--:-- Oliver Conway: And that is all from us for now, but there'll be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later.
--:-- Oliver Conway: If you want to comment on this podcast or anything in it, send an email to globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk or find us on X at BBC World Service and use the hashtag Global News Pod.
--:-- Oliver Conway: This edition was mixed by Abby Wiltshire and produced by Alison Davis and Stephanie Zacherson.
--:-- Oliver Conway: Our editor is Karen Martin.
--:-- Oliver Conway: I'm Oliver Conway. Until next time, goodbye.
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