--:-- Janet Jaleel: This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Janet Jaleel.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: At 13 Hours GMT on Wednesday the 10th of September, these are our main stories. Poland says it shot down Russian drones that violated its airspace during an attack on Ukraine.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Israeli media say top defence officials are increasingly unsure whether the strike on the Qatari capital Doha succeeded in killing Hamas leaders.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The UN says more children around the world are now obese than underweight.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Also in this podcast...
--:-- Janet Jaleel: A saltwater crocodile, a big croc. Well, technically it's small, but...
--:-- Janet Jaleel: That clash in Australia after videos of an American influencer wrestling crocodiles go viral.
--:-- Donald Tusk: For the first time since Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Poland has shot down Russian drones and entered its airspace during Moscow's latest attack on Ukraine.
--:-- Donald Tusk: Poland's Prime Minister, Donald Tusk, said 19 Russian drones violated Polish airspace and those which posed a threat, up to four of them, were shot down by Polish and NATO pilots.
--:-- Donald Tusk: We are most likely dealing with a large-scale provocation, but at the same time, we are in consultation with our allies.
--:-- Donald Tusk: I'm in constant contact with the NATO Secretary General.
--:-- Donald Tusk: This is so that in the next few hours, days and beyond, we can respond to this type of threat as effectively as we did tonight.
--:-- Donald Tusk: This is the first time Russian drones have been shot down over the territory of a NATO country, and therefore all our allies are taking the situation very seriously.
--:-- Donald Tusk: Mr Tusk said that a line had been crossed and that Poland was closer to open conflict than at any time since the Second World War.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: In a statement, Russia's military said that it had carried out a mass strike on targets in western Ukraine and that there had been no plans to target facilities on Poland's territory.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The NATO Secretary General, Mark Rutte, had this warning for Russia, even as a transatlantic alliance tries to establish whether the attack on Poland was intentional.
--:-- Mark Rutte: A full assessment is ongoing.
--:-- Mark Rutte: But of course, whether it was intentionally or not, it is absolutely reckless.
--:-- Mark Rutte: And to Putin, I mean, my message is clear, stop the war in Ukraine, stop violating Allied airspace and know that we stand ready.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: I asked our Eastern Europe correspondent Sarah Rainsford, who's based in Poland, but is currently in Kiev, how significant this all is.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: I think it is very significant.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: It's the first time that Poland or indeed any NATO country has done anything like this, shooting down Russian drones over NATO airspace.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: So this is a big deal.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: It happened, I should put it in context, during a massive Russian aerial attack on Ukraine.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: So there were, we now know, more than 400 drones launched by Russia against Ukraine and more than 40 missiles.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: We are being told by Ukrainian officials that some eight of those drones were deliberately directed into Poland, crossing the border into Poland.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: We know from information on the ground in Poland that at least a couple of sites have been identified where those drones reach, one of them 40 kilometres from the border, one of them about 15 kilometres, and it's suspected that some reached even deeper.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: Certainly the authorities in Poland closed the airspace as far west as Warsaw for security.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: They're talking about what happened as an unprecedented violation of Polish airspace.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: And they're saying, the Air Force is saying it was an act of aggression, and that there was a real threat to the safety of Polish civilians.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: So I think this is very significant.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: And I think Poland is now trying to calibrate its response.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: Because I think at the beginning of the full scale invasion of Ukraine, there was an incident where it was thought that perhaps Russia was firing a missile into Poland, but it didn't seem to be a deliberate escalation by Moscow.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: But this feels more deliberate, doesn't it?
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: Yeah, there have been a few incidents in the past.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: Certainly drones have strayed across the border during Russian attacks on Ukraine.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: Don't forget Ukraine and Poland, the next door neighbors.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: There was also one case when two Polish people in a village were killed in a field when a missile hit there.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: Now, there was a panic, frankly, at the time, but it later was said that this was a Ukrainian air defense missile that was intercepting a Russian missile.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: So the suggestion was that that was accidental.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: There was another occasion when a Russian missile was found by a man on a horse in the middle of a Polish forest in eastern Poland.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: But none of those occasions led to Poland essentially retaliating.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: And I think that's what's different here.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: I think that Poland felt there was a threat and that that threat needed to be taken out to be eliminated.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: And certainly here in Ukraine, from the president down, officials are suggesting that this is Russia really pushing the West to see how it responds.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: And at the same time, its aerial attacks on Ukraine are becoming bigger and more frequent, despite that much-touted Alaska summit between President Putin and Donald Trump.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: Yeah, I think there's a direct link.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: I mean, it was after that attempt by Donald Trump to broker some kind of peace that the Russian attacks here in the air, so the missile and drone attacks on Ukraine across this country, really have escalated.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: And I think those things are part of the important context of what's happened in Poland.
--:-- Sarah Rainsford: I think there are many factors which lead people to suggest that this is part of an escalation, because, of course, don't forget Russia believes quite clearly that it's at war not just with Ukraine, but what it calls the collective West, and that means all of Ukraine's allies.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Reports in the Israeli media say that top defence officials are increasingly doubtful that Hamas leaders were killed in the strike targeting them in the Qatari capital Doha on Tuesday.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Hamas itself has said that lower-level members were killed but not the leadership.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: It's offered no proof of this so far.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Amid widespread international condemnation of the attack, Qatari officials have said that the government has instructed a legal team to look into holding the Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu responsible for breaking international law.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: For the families of hostages still being held in Gaza, the attack has further increased their anguish.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Einav Zangawa is the mother of the Israeli hostage Matan Zangawa.
--:-- Einav Zangawa: I am shaking with fear.
--:-- Einav Zangawa: It could be that at this very moment, the Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, basically assassinated my Matan, sealed his fate.
--:-- Einav Zangawa: Anyone who decides to deliberately endanger Maimatan's life is murdering him.
--:-- Einav Zangawa: Why does the Prime Minister insist on blowing up every chance for a deal? Why?
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: This airstrike represents nothing less than an act of state terror and an effort to undermine the ongoing negotiations trying to reach ceasefire and the release of prisoners.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: This act shows that this Israeli government is absolutely irresponsible.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: Not only they bombarded the negotiating team while it was discussing the American proposal for a ceasefire they also bombarded a country which has been the instrumental mediator in all the previous agreements and in the existing negotiations, a sovereign country, Qatar.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: By the way, without Qatar, Israel would not have seen most of its released prisoners.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: Israel knows very well that America, the United States of America, was the one that asked Qatar to host what you call the leaders of Hamas.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: Anyhow, they were not hosting them.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: These people came to Qatar to negotiate with the prime minister of Qatar the new agreement.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: And while they were meeting to negotiate the possibility of a ceasefire, they were bombarded.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: In my opinion, this is showing that Israel is not interested in peace, is not interested in any ceasefire and is determined to continue its genocide in Gaza.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: The genocide that killed already 65,000 Palestinians, including 20,000 children.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: In my opinion, this government is behaving as a fascist government.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: On the point of negotiations, is that the end of negotiations then, do you think? Is there any prospects of them being revived?
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: As long as this Israeli government is allowed to do what it does, there will be no successful negotiations.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: There has to be pressure from outside on Israel, at least for the sake of the Israeli prisoners that Netanyahu is going to kill, as their families say.
--:-- Mustafa Barghouti: What we need is our sanctions on Israel to force it to stop this violation of every international law and this violation of human rights in the occupied Palestinian territories.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Palestinian politician Mustafa Barghouti speaking to James Kopno.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: So, will the attack on Hamas leaders in Doha be viewed as a success or failure by the Israeli military?
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Our correspondent in Jerusalem is Weirah Davis.
--:-- Weirah Davis: It's a little bit too early to say, although there is speculation in Israeli media circles, including army radio, which tends to be quite close to the military, that they is concerned that they may not have assassinated all of the top leaders of Hamas that they had targeted.
--:-- Weirah Davis: This was, in some ways, a one-off operation for Israel.
--:-- Weirah Davis: It would have known for quite some time that these leaders were going to meet in Doha.
--:-- Weirah Davis: And Israel had a chance, an audacious chance to attack them from the air with all of the problems that involves.
--:-- Weirah Davis: But if Israel has failed to assassinate this senior Hamas leadership, it won't get a second chance, at least not in Qatar, because Donald Trump has made that promise to the Qataris that this will not happen again on Qatari soil.
--:-- Weirah Davis: And if that senior Hamas leadership is still in place, then it doesn't destroy the movement altogether.
--:-- Weirah Davis: What Israel would have hoped for would have to have decapitated every senior figure in Hamas and left what is left of Hamas in Gaza as rudderless and leaderless.
--:-- Weirah Davis: And that's why Netanyahu made an appeal last night to the people of Gaza to somehow rise up against Hamas.
--:-- Weirah Davis: Well, if Hamas's leadership is now still in place, albeit wounded, injured, it does suggest that the Israelis may have failed in this attempt and they may not get a second chance.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: What's the wider reaction in Israel to what many people around the world are calling a reckless action by the Israeli government?
--:-- Janet Jaleel: On the political level, most politicians across the board will defend Israel's right to go after its enemies abroad, particularly those involved in the October the 7th attacks.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Even in a friendly state like Qatar? This is the point.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: This wasn't an attack in Yemen.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: It wasn't an attack in Lebanon.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: It wasn't an attack in Iran.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: But Israel has done this kind of thing before.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: It has gone after enemies in Dubai.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: It's gone after enemies in Europe.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: It's gone after enemies all over the world in a much more clandestine way.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: So politically, politicians will defend Israel's rights to do this.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The problem is the implications specifically for the hostages still being held in Gaza are really ominous.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: About 20 hostages are still thought to be alive.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: They were meant to be part of this so-called peace plan being discussed by the Hamas leaders as they sat down in Qatar.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The prospects now for them are much less secure.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: If Israel is also now going to go into Gaza City with a much more enhanced ground offensive, not only does that put the hostages at risk, it puts tens of thousands of the lives of Gaza civilians at risk as well.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: You've got to remember that earlier in the day, Benjamin Netanyahu had issued an evacuation order for about a million, in effect, people who live in Gaza City because of what was expected to be a much more enhanced Israeli ground offensive.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: If there is no ceasefire deal now, then this much more enhanced Israeli military operation in Gaza looks inevitable.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: We're a Davis in Jerusalem.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: In Nepal, armed soldiers have been controlling the streets of Kathmandu as they try to restore order after a wave of protests, which have led to around 25 people being killed in the past three days.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Most of the deaths were on Monday when anti-corruption protesters clashed with security forces.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The Gen Z demonstrations, as they've been called, were triggered by a ban on many social media sites, which had been showing how the children of Nepalese politicians lived lives of luxury.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: That ban has now been reversed.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Outrage over the high number of deaths forced the Prime Minister, KP Sharma Oli, to resign on Tuesday.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: And now thousands of prisoners are reported to have escaped from jails.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Panindra Dahal in Kathmandu described the situation there now.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: A curfew is in place nationwide and the security personnel are urging people to stay indoors.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: Only emergency vehicles are moving in the streets.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: Only few people we can see walking on the streets.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: It appears calm and there are no protests reported.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: The signs of yesterday's unprecedented violence still is visible on the streets.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: We can see burned vehicles, torched buildings, smoke coming from rooftops of hotels and department stores and vandalized police posts.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: The Nepal police spokesperson has today confirmed death of two police personnel in yesterday's violence.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: Some police are said to be missing.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: The authorities have ordered the police to return back to their bases in Kathmandu so that they can provide updated information.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: And what more can you tell us about the reports that thousands of prisoners have escaped from jail?
--:-- Panindra Dahal: The prisoners started protesting within jail premises and tried jailbreak.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: Officials have confirmed that more than 4,000 have absconded.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: The situation in several prisons was out of control.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: In one of the prisons in Kathmandu, the army had to be mobilized.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: to shift prisoners who were trying to abscond and were trying to create a problem there.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: In one of the correction facilities in western Nepal in Bankeh district, in a correction facility for juvenile prisoners, they also tried to escape and police opened fire and the head of that correction facility has told us that five juvenile prisoners were shot dead.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: So it seems that tensions are still very high and that the authorities are having to introduce all these security measures to stop more protests breaking out.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: Yeah, the Nepal army has appealed demonstrators not to come out.
--:-- Panindra Dahal: It has urged everyone to show restraint and authorities are deploying police personnel back on the field to ensure law and order
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Still to come on the podcast.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: So I was among 600 children who have been first deported to the Russian camp.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: We hear about Ukrainian children abducted by Russians.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: America is changing. And so is the world.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: But what's happening in America isn't just a cause of global upheaval.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: I'm Tristan Redman in London, and this is The Global Story.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Every weekday, we'll bring you a story from this intersection, where the world and America meet.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Listen on BBC.com or wherever you get your podcasts.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: For the first time, there are more obese children in the world than underweight ones.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: That's according to a new report by the UN Children's Agency, UNICEF.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Some of the causes are well known, sugary foods and drinks, unhealthy snacks, fast foods, ultra-processed meals, all convenient, all highly addictive and all heavily advertised.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The report's lead writer, Harriet Torless, spoke to Priya Rye.
--:-- Harriet Torless: We're finding that for the first time in history, the number of children living with obesity now exceeds underweight.
--:-- Harriet Torless: And that's the same across all regions of the world, with the exception of sub-Saharan Africa and Asia.
--:-- Harriet Torless: But even in those regions, they're on the trend line heading in the same direction.
--:-- Harriet Torless: In fact, we're finding that low and middle income countries, they're experiencing the fastest rise in overweight and obesity.
--:-- Harriet Torless: And already more than 80% of children who are affected are living in those countries.
--:-- Harriet Torless: And why do you think that is?
--:-- Harriet Torless: They're heavily, heavily stacked with unhealthy foods and beverages, especially those that are ultra processed.
--:-- Harriet Torless: They're the easiest to find.
--:-- Harriet Torless: They're heavily marketed.
--:-- Harriet Torless: They're highly appealing.
--:-- Harriet Torless: as countries develop from low income to middle income these products become more and more affordable which is truly alarming.
--:-- Harriet Torless: The industry sees an opportunity and so they're more aggressively marketed.
--:-- Harriet Torless: All of this also comes with a change in the traditional perception or understanding of what it means to be malnourished.
--:-- Harriet Torless: Can you explain that?
--:-- Harriet Torless: Well for us malnutrition means bad nutrition so it covers all forms of malnutrition.
--:-- Harriet Torless: Now, undernutrition is still a massive concern, especially in the fives, where we see a huge unfinished agenda and many children really suffering from conditions such as stunting and wasting.
--:-- Harriet Torless: But as these children grow up and they become exposed to environments that are flooded with unhealthy foods and drinks, that's when the problem of overweight and obesity really emerges.
--:-- Harriet Torless: And in fact, there is evidence that shows when children are undernourished in early life, they carry an even greater risk of becoming overweight when they're exposed to those environments and of the health consequences.
--:-- Harriet Torless: And not only that, these unhealthy food environments, they increase the risk of all forms of malnutrition.
--:-- Harriet Torless: And that's because these unhealthy foods such as fizzy drinks and salty snacks, they're not only just high in salt and sugar and additives, but they're low in essential vitamins and minerals that these children really need to grow and develop to their potential.
--:-- Harriet Torless: And they displace more nutritious foods from their diets, you know, vegetables and fruits and legumes, all those nutritious foods they need.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Well, one of the worst affected countries is South Africa, where more than a fifth of infants are now overweight or obese.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Myelie Jones went to meet some of those trying to combat the country's obesity epidemic.
--:-- Myelie Jones: I'm at the Cairo School of Inquiry in Northern Johannesburg.
--:-- Myelie Jones: This school has implemented a food policy they say is focused on promoting healthy eating habits.
--:-- Myelie Jones: They say that all the food they serve here is vegetarian and that they want their students to think about what they put in their bodies.
--:-- Myelie Jones: Today on the menu it's kitchari which is a mix of Dolan rice with tomato chutney, halloumi and salad.
--:-- Myelie Jones: Can I have the maximum amount?
--:-- Myelie Jones: The parents of the students here have been asked only to bring fruit, vegetables and homemade food for their kids to eat.
--:-- Mark Loon: If all schools were to emulate our intention of being conscious of health and what children are putting into their bodies and what food is being sold to children like chocolates and sweets and sugary fizzy drinks, the health to the children would be served.
--:-- Mark Loon: Hwantiduyuen, rates of overweight and obese teenagers around the world have nearly tripled in the last two decades.
--:-- Mark Loon: The number of overweight children aged five to nine has gone from 69 to 147 million.
--:-- Siposetu Nase: The portion sizes are too big and they are making us too over it, basically.
--:-- Siposetu Nase: Hey, how are you?
--:-- Siposetu Nase: He now visits schools and communities to teach them about healthy eating and lobbies policymakers to introduce clearer labelling on packaging.
--:-- Gilbert Chitaudzi: Poor and middle-income countries have seen the greatest surge in overweight and obese children.
--:-- Gilbert Chitaudzi: But whereas in poorer countries, overweight kids tend to be from wealthier families who can pay for high-calorie foods, in middle-income economies like here in South Africa, more people can afford to go to fast food restaurants and there's been an explosion in the number of them.
--:-- Gilbert Chitaudzi: My name is Gilbert Chitaudzi.
--:-- Gilbert Chitaudzi: I work for UNICEF South Africa as the nutrition manager.
--:-- Gilbert Chitaudzi: When you go to households, households don't have means to access healthier options.
--:-- Gilbert Chitaudzi: It means that they do not have money.
--:-- Gilbert Chitaudzi: We know that the high unemployment rate in this country does contribute.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: South Africa introduced higher taxes on sugary drinks in 2018, but it hasn't stopped the growing obesity rate in children here.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: 22% of kids under five are overweight or obese, up from 13% in 2016.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The UN says countries need to improve access to local nutritious food for children and teenagers.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: In the meantime, it's left to individuals and institutions to try and improve the health of future generations.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Mayani Jones reporting from South Africa.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Now let's turn to the issue of children deported to Russia from Ukraine, just another tragic outcome of the ongoing war.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The children taken are frequently put up for adoption in Russia, with families back home unable to find any trace of them.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: To date, Ukraine says more than 19,500 children have been forcibly transferred or deported by the Russian authorities to Russia or the occupied territories of Ukraine.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The deportations are now the subject of a new documentary film, Children of the Fire, which was screened last night in London.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: In a moment, we'll hear from one charity, which is helping to bring some of them back.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: But first, let's hear the voices of two of the children who've been rescued.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Vadislav is now 18, but was 16 when he was detained.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: These soldiers took my documents and he started to check my phones.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: and he suddenly finds groups that are worried about Russia about war and how they don't want to take part in war anymore
--:-- Janet Jaleel: He puts on me guns and asks me a question would they kill you right now or smash your phones?
--:-- Janet Jaleel: After like two, three hours, they decided to take me to this prison.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Another abducted child, Valeria, is now 17.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: So I was among 600 children who have been first deported to Crimea, to Yevpatoria, to the Russian camp.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: So we have been escorted all the way to this camp by the Russian military forces.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: We have been all locked and we realized that we could not leave it.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Our passports, all our ID documents have been taken by Russians.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: The problem is most of the story that we are working on and cases of the children, they are even worse because some of the children have been actually not only deported, but they were not as lucky as the children that you just heard because those children are still held in Russia or occupied territory, either in a prison detention centre or in a Russian family forcibly adopted or in Russia territory in institutions.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: So that's the cases that we are talking about.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: Do we know how much the Russian families who may adopt these children, do we know how much they know about where the children have come from?
--:-- Mariam Lambert: We don't know.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: But what we know is that the Russians, when they are deporting children, the real issue, and it's a violation of the Geneva Convention, is that they are changing their names, changing the date of birth, sometimes getting a Russian passport, which you can understand that by doing that, it's very difficult to have figures on how many Ukrainian children were adopted by the Russian families.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: So I doubt that at this point, some of them might be aware, but others might not be even aware that those children are even Ukrainian.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: What can we say about Russia's motivation to be doing this?
--:-- Mariam Lambert: You know, we often hear about its territorial wants or demands.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: Why this?
--:-- Mariam Lambert: Territorial wants is really minor.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: The main reason they're doing that, they also mentioned that publicly without any shame, is that they are claiming in the propaganda that Ukrainians are Nazi and they need to eradicate.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: So they want to eradicate Ukrainian identities, culture.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: This is why they are taking children in order to militarise them, to erase their identity and also to forcefully adopt them because they want to raise the Russian population.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: Do you know whether there's a response from Russia to these allegations that it is deporting or forcibly taking children like this?
--:-- Mariam Lambert: It's a mixed statement from them.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: They recognize that some children, as they said, were saved by the war.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: This is why they transfer them.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: If they were really saving those children, they would have contact the families of those children.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: They will have given information to the Ukrainian authorities.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: They would have given access to UNICEF or the Red Cross.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: And most importantly, according to the Geneva Convention, they would have transferred those children immediately into a third country for safety.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: And over three years have done none of these.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: So they are claiming that some children were reunited, but other children are just orphans.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: But even a child as an orphan belonged to the Ukrainian authorities.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: So they are very much denying most of the cases, which is in line with the war crime that they are doing, because they will not admit that.
--:-- Mariam Lambert: But we are, of course, documenting all that.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: He's known online as a real Tarzan.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: A saltwater crocodile, a big croc.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Well, technically it's small, but...
--:-- Janet Jaleel: That clash in Australia after videos of an American influencer wrestling crocodiles go viral.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Simon Atkinson is in far north Queensland, close to where the videos were filmed, and told me more about them.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: two videos as you say have been posted on his account i mean if you look at mike holston the real tarzan's instagram he has 15 million followers and most of them are him with various exotic animals lots of them with his shirt off it should also be said and he really has you know got this huge following and these two show him one approaching a freshwater crocodile they're the the sort of a smaller less deadly of the two varieties of croc here in australia and jumping out of a boat, wading through the water and kind of wrestling it until he's got it in his grip and he gets a nice cut on his arm for his trouble.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: And the other one, a saltwater crocodile, a juvenile, that's the clip that we just heard.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: And as I was saying, the video has gone viral, but it's also been a backlash, including from the father of the late conservationist, Steve Irwin.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: That's right.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: I mean, we had a lot from animal rights groups who've said that the behaviour is very cruel, they've been called for him to be deported.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: As you said, the leader of the state here in Queensland has called him a goose.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: But Bob Irwin, the father of Steve Irwin, when he's used adjectives which are far worse than goose, he thinks it's disgusting behaviour.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: I think partly because Mike Holston has been compared to Steve Irwin, somebody who was very physical with animals and portrayed themselves as somebody who was an educator.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: But he was clear that this is completely different to what Steve Irwin was about.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: He said this is somebody illegally interfering with protected animals.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: And he's very angry, I think, that his son's legacy is kind of getting tied up with this.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: And this isn't the first case of visitors to Australia getting into this kind of trouble.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: No, earlier this year, another American over in Australia posted a video of themselves picking a baby wombat from the side of the road and taking it from its mother.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: It caused real outrage.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: There's a real pressure for her to be deported from the country.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: She left of her own volition, but we saw the Prime Minister getting involved.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: In fact, I think when she did leave Australia, they said it was a great day for Wombat.
--:-- Simon Atkinson: So yes, it's not something that goes down particularly well here in Australia when people seem to be being very inappropriate in the way that they deal with the animals.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: And that's all from us for now, but there will be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: If you want to comment on this podcast, you can send us an email.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The address is globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: This edition was mixed by Paul Mason.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The producers were Marion Straughan and Muzafa Shakir.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: The editor is Karen Martin.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: I'm Janet Jalil.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: Until next time, goodbye.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: America is changing. And so is the world.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: But what's happening in America isn't just a cause of global upheaval.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: It's also a symptom of disruption that's happening everywhere.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: I'm Asma Khalid in Washington, D.C.
--:-- Janet Jaleel: I'm Tristan Redman in London, and this is The Global Story.
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