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--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** Imagine being 12 years old, already having 30 bone fractures, and wondering, why can't I just play like other kids? I'm Leanne, and I was diagnosed with brittle bone disease. Now, I'm running the Bank of America Chicago Marathon for Lurie Children's. So every kid can just be a kid. Join Bank of America in supporting Leanne's cause. Give if you can at bfa.com/supportLeanne. What would you like the power to do? Bank of America. References to charitable organizations are not an endorsement by Bank of America Corporation.
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--:-- **Announcer:** In the 80s, one of the most memorable lines of a Whitney Houston song said, "I believe the children are our future." Well, today's guest took that literally and is impacting the lives of so many youths. We're going to talk to Gary Lennon about Peer Forward, the nonprofit he created that's helping young kids get into college, but not how you think. This episode, we're going to talk about why your peers are more influential than your parents. We're going to talk about the fundamentals that all kids need to know about college, and we're going to go deep into what Peer Forward is doing and the mission that Gary Lennon is fulfilling. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Mr. Gary Lennon. Gary, how you doing today, brother?
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--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Good. I'm good. How are you?
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** Dude, I am great now that I'm talking to you. Gary, you know when I was growing up, there was a song, and the first line said, "I believe the children are our future." Right? I think you heard that song too. But Gary, you're one of the few people that took action and was actually doing something, man. So I wanted to applaud you for doing the action. Because a lot of times we talk, and a lot of times you know we'll support, we'll donate, we'll do some things. But as you know, it takes a lot more than just pats on the back to do the things that you're doing. So I applaud you, brother.
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, right? It's a lot of people who do a great job of talking. The question is, can you walk? Are you willing to do? And I'm just humble and grateful that I get the chance to be around some phenomenal folks that people tend to overlook.
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** No, totally agree, man. And I want to start by asking you the question: when did you know that this was something you were supposed to do?
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Great question. You know, I'll start with my interesting journey. So, me getting here. Right. And so I'm from Spanish Harlem, grew up, you know, I'm of a certain age. But I grew up during the crack AIDS epidemic, if you will. And as an individual growing up on welfare, low income, college was never the goal. It was about getting out of high school. If you could do that, you've accomplished a lot. But interesting enough, I was always in the talented and gifted program. The Oliver Program found me in junior high school. And it was like, hey, you're smart. So are some of your friends. I remember getting called into the office. And I was like, why? Am I in trouble? They're like, no, you're actually smart. I was like, oh, I forgot that part. So, I got chosen, and they gave me an option. The option was to either go to a private boarding school or a private day school. And in New York City during that time, that wasn't really something we'd ever thought about. I was like, independent school? Sure. But I knew that I needed to leave. And so I chose a boarding school. Against my mother's wishes, against the family wishes, it was like, what do you mean? You're going away. But I knew that during that time, I needed to get out. Because if I didn't get out, I wasn't going to get anywhere. And so that was my way of like, yes, finally, there's an opportunity. So, I went to a private boarding school, Westtown School, shout out to them outside of Philadelphia. And if you could imagine, it's a private Quaker school. So coming from the city and going to a Quaker school, I'm like, okay, turn to the light. I was like, oh my goodness, what are you talking about? But that changed my entire life because it gave me the opportunity then to go to Cornell, which was never on my list. I was able to meet lifelong friends that I still talk to today. And throughout that journey, what I learned is that there were individuals in my community that were just as smart as me, if not smarter. And for some reason, every time I came home, they were still on the corner. They were still on the block. They weren't doing anything. And I'm like, hold on, I'm given a chance. Why not them? And that for me, like internally bothered me because I look at my sister, I look at my three sisters, and I look at how they struggled, and I'm like, but I got out. And I just don't like that notion of you get out and you don't give back. And so that's how I got into this work.
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** You know, I was just thinking, Gary, you're the perfect person to have this conversation with. I want to talk to the viewers and listeners about something that I'm noticing because my oldest son coaches football. Right? And the last three years, he's been at the college level, and every day during enrollment for the football team, he calls me and he's like, "Dad, it happened again. Dad, it happened again." Gary, here's what's going on. Children, kids, youth that are going to college, day one, they don't understand the things that they need to survive, like having their ID and what their ID numbers are, their social security numbers, their mother's maiden name. I'm going to say this. Things that I took for granted, right? Things that I talked to my kids about. It didn't have to be a long conversation. It was just, hey, these things you got to make sure you know how to do. Little things like that. Forget laundry. Right. Forget financial literacy. All that. We're going to talk about that too. But just the basics of you got to know some things. And day one, you're going to need to know those things. Like literally, my son, Jay, is listening to this right now. He will tell you how many times someone will drive or fly in from out of state and literally have to go back because they can't register. They can't get their dorm room because they don't know how important it is to bring an ID. They don't understand how to fill out an application. Talk to us, talk to the viewers and listeners, to the parents, to the students, about just the fundamentals that you've got to have to survive.
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** It's funny you mentioned that. I'll tell you this quick story. It's a generational thing. I swear, I don't get it. My nephew just applied to college, and he used my email and my number. So I'm getting all these calls from colleges as if I went. I was like, what do you mean? Like, the rudimentary, the basics, like using your own number, using your own ID. My name is not Nazair. Why are they calling me looking for you? And I think that's the challenge that we're seeing across the board, particularly with just young folks about understanding the basic needs. And that's where it's important for us as an organization, school systems, and friends to have that type of checklist to like, hey, in order for you to go to college, here's the five things you need to understand, right? And it's back to understanding what are the different academic offices that are there? What's the personal information that you need to make sure that you have? What are the emergency contact information that you need to have? Because you're getting there, and you know, what happens if you, you know, stomp your toe or whatever the case may be. They just don't know. And it's sad, but we're seeing that across the country. And so I think as parents, whether you went to college or not, we understand that there's basic things that our individuals, our young folks need to have. And we have an opportunity to make sure that they have them, regardless if they go to college or not. It's like when you're turning the age of 17, 18, you need to know your social security number. So how do we educate folks to like, hey, these are the five things as you go into adulthood that everybody should have. And unfortunately, in the age of the Internet, information goes too quick, and it's not landing well with our young folks.
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--:-- **Announcer:** This podcast is supported by FX's English Teacher. Last year's critically acclaimed series returns to follow Evan, Gwen, and Marky as they vie for their students' divided attention. See why Cosmopolitan called its premiere season a master class of comedy. While Glamour raved, it's the year's funniest and most heartwarming new comedy series. FX's English Teacher returns September 25th on FX. All episodes streaming on Hulu.
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--:-- **Announcer:** Tonight, turn down the noise of the day and focus on the rest with AGZ, the nightly drink for winding down and resting up. New from AG1, AGZ supports your body's natural sleep cycle with clinically studied herbs, adaptogens, and minerals in amounts supported by research. And no melatonin, helping you wake feeling rested. Wind down, rest up with AGZ. A.G.Z. Learn more at drink.A.G.Z.com.
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--:-- **Announcer:** In the 80s, one of the most memorable lines of a Whitney Houston song said, "I believe the children are our future." Well, today's guest took that literally and is impacting the lives of so many youths. We're going to talk to Gary Lennon about Peer Forward, the nonprofit he created that's helping young kids get into college, but not how you think. This episode, we're going to talk about why your peers are more influential than your parents. We're going to talk about the fundamentals that all kids need to know about college, and we're going to go deep into what Peer Forward is doing and the mission that Gary Lennon is fulfilling. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Mr. Gary Lennon. Gary, how you doing today, brother?
--:-- **[Main Interview Resumes]**
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Good. I'm good. How are you?
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** Dude, I am great now that I'm talking to you. Gary, you know when I was growing up, there was a song, and the first line said, "I believe the children are our future." Right? I think you heard that song too. But Gary, you're one of the few people that took action and was actually doing something, man. So I wanted to applaud you for doing the action. Because a lot of times we talk, and a lot of times you know we'll support, we'll donate, we'll do some things. But as you know, it takes a lot more than just pats on the back to do the things that you're doing. So I applaud you, brother.
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, right? It's a lot of people who do a great job of talking. The question is, can you walk? Are you willing to do? And I'm just humble and grateful that I get the chance to be around some phenomenal folks that people tend to overlook.
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** No, totally agree, man. And I want to start by asking you the question: when did you know that this was something you were supposed to do?
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Great question. You know, I'll start with my interesting journey. So, me getting here. Right. And so I'm from Spanish Harlem, grew up, you know, I'm of a certain age. But I grew up during the crack AIDS epidemic, if you will. And as an individual growing up on welfare, low income, college was never the goal. It was about getting out of high school. If you could do that, you've accomplished a lot. But interesting enough, I was always in the talented and gifted program. The Oliver Program found me in junior high school. And it was like, hey, you're smart. So are some of your friends. I remember getting called into the office. And I was like, why? Am I in trouble? They're like, no, you're actually smart. I was like, oh, I forgot that part. So, I got chosen, and they gave me an option. The option was to either go to a private boarding school or a private day school. And in New York City during that time, that wasn't really something we'd ever thought about. I was like, independent school? Sure. But I knew that I needed to leave. And so I chose a boarding school. Against my mother's wishes, against the family wishes, it was like, what do you mean? You're going away. But I knew that during that time, I needed to get out. Because if I didn't get out, I wasn't going to get anywhere. And so that was my way of like, yes, finally, there's an opportunity. So, I went to a private boarding school, Westtown School, shout out to them outside of Philadelphia. And if you could imagine, it's a private Quaker school. So coming from the city and going to a Quaker school, I'm like, okay, turn to the light. I was like, oh my goodness, what are you talking about? But that changed my entire life because it gave me the opportunity then to go to Cornell, which was never on my list. I was able to meet lifelong friends that I still talk to today. And throughout that journey, what I learned is that there were individuals in my community that were just as smart as me, if not smarter. And for some reason, every time I came home, they were still on the corner. They were still on the block. They weren't doing anything. And I'm like, hold on, I'm given a chance. Why not them? And that for me, like internally bothered me because I look at my sister, I look at my three sisters, and I look at how they struggled, and I'm like, but I got out. And I just don't like that notion of you get out and you don't give back. And so that's how I got into this work.
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** You know, I was just thinking, Gary, you're the perfect person to have this conversation with. I want to talk to the viewers and listeners about something that I'm noticing because my oldest son coaches football. Right? And the last three years, he's been at the college level, and every day during enrollment for the football team, he calls me and he's like, "Dad, it happened again. Dad, it happened again." Gary, here's what's going on. Children, kids, youth that are going to college, day one, they don't understand the things that they need to survive, like having their ID and what their ID numbers are, their social security numbers, their mother's maiden name. I'm going to say this. Things that I took for granted, right? Things that I talked to my kids about. It didn't have to be a long conversation. It was just, hey, these things you got to make sure you know how to do. Little things like that. Forget laundry. Right. Forget financial literacy. All that. We're going to talk about that too. But just the basics of you got to know some things. And day one, you're going to need to know those things. Like literally, my son, Jay, is listening to this right now. He will tell you how many times someone will drive or fly in from out of state and literally have to go back because they can't register. They can't get their dorm room because they don't know how important it is to bring an ID. They don't understand how to fill out an application. Talk to us, talk to the viewers and listeners, to the parents, to the students, about just the fundamentals that you've got to have to survive.
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** It's funny you mentioned that. I'll tell you this quick story. It's a generational thing. I swear, I don't get it. My nephew just applied to college, and he used my email and my number. So I'm getting all these calls from colleges as if I went. I was like, what do you mean? Like, the rudimentary, the basics, like using your own number, using your own ID. My name is not Nazair. Why are they calling me looking for you? And I think that's the challenge that we're seeing across the board, particularly with just young folks about understanding the basic needs. And that's where it's important for us as an organization, school systems, and friends to have that type of checklist to like, hey, in order for you to go to college, here's the five things you need to understand, right? And it's back to understanding what are the different academic offices that are there? What's the personal information that you need to make sure that you have? What are the emergency contact information that you need to have? Because you're getting there, and you know, what happens if you, you know, stomp your toe or whatever the case may be. They just don't know. And it's sad, but we're seeing that across the country. And so I think as parents, whether you went to college or not, we understand that there's basic things that our individuals, our young folks need to have. And we have an opportunity to make sure that they have them, regardless if they go to college or not. It's like when you're turning the age of 17, 18, you need to know your social security number. So how do we educate folks to like, hey, these are the five things as you go into adulthood that everybody should have. And unfortunately, in the age of the Internet, information goes too quick, and it's not landing well with our young folks.
--:-- **[Ad Transition Music]**
--:-- **Announcer:** This podcast is supported by FX's English Teacher. Last year's critically acclaimed series returns to follow Evan, Gwen, and Marky as they vie for their students' divided attention. See why Cosmopolitan called its premiere season a master class of comedy. While Glamour raved, it's the year's funniest and most heartwarming new comedy series. FX's English Teacher returns September 25th on FX. All episodes streaming on Hulu.
--:-- **[Ad Transition Music]**
--:-- **Announcer:** Tonight, turn down the noise of the day and focus on the rest with AGZ, the nightly drink for winding down and resting up. New from AG1, AGZ supports your body's natural sleep cycle with clinically studied herbs, adaptogens, and minerals in amounts supported by research. And no melatonin, helping you wake feeling rested. Wind down, rest up with AGZ. A.G.Z. Learn more at drink.A.G.Z.com.
--:-- **[Ad Transition Music]**
--:-- **Announcer:** In the 80s, one of the most memorable lines of a Whitney Houston song said, "I believe the children are our future." Well, today's guest took that literally and is impacting the lives of so many youths. We're going to talk to Gary Lennon about Peer Forward, the nonprofit he created that's helping young kids get into college, but not how you think. This episode, we're going to talk about why your peers are more influential than your parents. We're going to talk about the fundamentals that all kids need to know about college, and we're going to go deep into what Peer Forward is doing and the mission that Gary Lennon is fulfilling. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Mr. Gary Lennon. Gary, how you doing today, brother?
--:-- **[Main Interview Resumes]**
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Good. I'm good. How are you?
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** Dude, I am great now that I'm talking to you. Gary, you know when I was growing up, there was a song, and the first line said, "I believe the children are our future." Right? I think you heard that song too. But Gary, you're one of the few people that took action and was actually doing something, man. So I wanted to applaud you for doing the action. Because a lot of times we talk, and a lot of times you know we'll support, we'll donate, we'll do some things. But as you know, it takes a lot more than just pats on the back to do the things that you're doing. So I applaud you, brother.
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, right? It's a lot of people who do a great job of talking. The question is, can you walk? Are you willing to do? And I'm just humble and grateful that I get the chance to be around some phenomenal folks that people tend to overlook.
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** No, totally agree, man. And I want to start by asking you the question: when did you know that this was something you were supposed to do?
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Great question. You know, I'll start with my interesting journey. So, me getting here. Right. And so I'm from Spanish Harlem, grew up, you know, I'm of a certain age. But I grew up during the crack AIDS epidemic, if you will. And as an individual growing up on welfare, low income, college was never the goal. It was about getting out of high school. If you could do that, you've accomplished a lot. But interesting enough, I was always in the talented and gifted program. The Oliver Program found me in junior high school. And it was like, hey, you're smart. So are some of your friends. I remember getting called into the office. And I was like, why? Am I in trouble? They're like, no, you're actually smart. I was like, oh, I forgot that part. So, I got chosen, and they gave me an option. The option was to either go to a private boarding school or a private day school. And in New York City during that time, that wasn't really something we'd ever thought about. I was like, independent school? Sure. But I knew that I needed to leave. And so I chose a boarding school. Against my mother's wishes, against the family wishes, it was like, what do you mean? You're going away. But I knew that during that time, I needed to get out. Because if I didn't get out, I wasn't going to get anywhere. And so that was my way of like, yes, finally, there's an opportunity. So, I went to a private boarding school, Westtown School, shout out to them outside of Philadelphia. And if you could imagine, it's a private Quaker school. So coming from the city and going to a Quaker school, I'm like, okay, turn to the light. I was like, oh my goodness, what are you talking about? But that changed my entire life because it gave me the opportunity then to go to Cornell, which was never on my list. I was able to meet lifelong friends that I still talk to today. And throughout that journey, what I learned is that there were individuals in my community that were just as smart as me, if not smarter. And for some reason, every time I came home, they were still on the corner. They were still on the block. They weren't doing anything. And I'm like, hold on, I'm given a chance. Why not them? And that for me, like internally bothered me because I look at my sister, I look at my three sisters, and I look at how they struggled, and I'm like, but I got out. And I just don't like that notion of you get out and you don't give back. And so that's how I got into this work.
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** You know, I was just thinking, Gary, you're the perfect person to have this conversation with. I want to talk to the viewers and listeners about something that I'm noticing because my oldest son coaches football. Right? And the last three years, he's been at the college level, and every day during enrollment for the football team, he calls me and he's like, "Dad, it happened again. Dad, it happened again." Gary, here's what's going on. Children, kids, youth that are going to college, day one, they don't understand the things that they need to survive, like having their ID and what their ID numbers are, their social security numbers, their mother's maiden name. I'm going to say this. Things that I took for granted, right? Things that I talked to my kids about. It didn't have to be a long conversation. It was just, hey, these things you got to make sure you know how to do. Little things like that. Forget laundry. Right. Forget financial literacy. All that. We're going to talk about that too. But just the basics of you got to know some things. And day one, you're going to need to know those things. Like literally, my son, Jay, is listening to this right now. He will tell you how many times someone will drive or fly in from out of state and literally have to go back because they can't register. They can't get their dorm room because they don't know how important it is to bring an ID. They don't understand how to fill out an application. Talk to us, talk to the viewers and listeners, to the parents, to the students, about just the fundamentals that you've got to have to survive.
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** It's funny you mentioned that. I'll tell you this quick story. It's a generational thing. I swear, I don't get it. My nephew just applied to college, and he used my email and my number. So I'm getting all these calls from colleges as if I went. I was like, what do you mean? Like, the rudimentary, the basics, like using your own number, using your own ID. My name is not Nazair. Why are they calling me looking for you? And I think that's the challenge that we're seeing across the board, particularly with just young folks about understanding the basic needs. And that's where it's important for us as an organization, school systems, and friends to have that type of checklist to like, hey, in order for you to go to college, here's the five things you need to understand, right? And it's back to understanding what are the different academic offices that are there? What's the personal information that you need to make sure that you have? What are the emergency contact information that you need to have? Because you're getting there, and you know, what happens if you, you know, stomp your toe or whatever the case may be. They just don't know. And it's sad, but we're seeing that across the country. And so I think as parents, whether you went to college or not, we understand that there's basic things that our individuals, our young folks need to have. And we have an opportunity to make sure that they have them, regardless if they go to college or not. It's like when you're turning the age of 17, 18, you need to know your social security number. So how do we educate folks to like, hey, these are the five things as you go into adulthood that everybody should have. And unfortunately, in the age of the Internet, information goes too quick, and it's not landing well with our young folks.
--:-- **[Ad Transition Music]**
--:-- **Announcer:** This podcast is supported by FX's English Teacher. Last year's critically acclaimed series returns to follow Evan, Gwen, and Marky as they vie for their students' divided attention. See why Cosmopolitan called its premiere season a master class of comedy. While Glamour raved, it's the year's funniest and most heartwarming new comedy series. FX's English Teacher returns September 25th on FX. All episodes streaming on Hulu.
--:-- **[Ad Transition Music]**
--:-- **Announcer:** Tonight, turn down the noise of the day and focus on the rest with AGZ, the nightly drink for winding down and resting up. New from AG1, AGZ supports your body's natural sleep cycle with clinically studied herbs, adaptogens, and minerals in amounts supported by research. And no melatonin, helping you wake feeling rested. Wind down, rest up with AGZ. A.G.Z. Learn more at drink.A.G.Z.com.
--:-- **[Ad Transition Music]**
--:-- **Announcer:** In the 80s, one of the most memorable lines of a Whitney Houston song said, "I believe the children are our future." Well, today's guest took that literally and is impacting the lives of so many youths. We're going to talk to Gary Lennon about Peer Forward, the nonprofit he created that's helping young kids get into college, but not how you think. This episode, we're going to talk about why your peers are more influential than your parents. We're going to talk about the fundamentals that all kids need to know about college, and we're going to go deep into what Peer Forward is doing and the mission that Gary Lennon is fulfilling. Ladies and gentlemen, this is Mr. Gary Lennon. Gary, how you doing today, brother?
--:-- **[Main Interview Resumes]**
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Good. I'm good. How are you?
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** Dude, I am great now that I'm talking to you. Gary, you know when I was growing up, there was a song, and the first line said, "I believe the children are our future." Right? I think you heard that song too. But Gary, you're one of the few people that took action and was actually doing something, man. So I wanted to applaud you for doing the action. Because a lot of times we talk, and a lot of times you know we'll support, we'll donate, we'll do some things. But as you know, it takes a lot more than just pats on the back to do the things that you're doing. So I applaud you, brother.
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, you hit the nail on the head, right? It's a lot of people who do a great job of talking. The question is, can you walk? Are you willing to do? And I'm just humble and grateful that I get the chance to be around some phenomenal folks that people tend to overlook.
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** No, totally agree, man. And I want to start by asking you the question: when did you know that this was something you were supposed to do?
--:-- **Guest (Gary Lennon):** Great question. You know, I'll start with my interesting journey. So, me getting here. Right. And so I'm from Spanish Harlem, grew up, you know, I'm of a certain age. But I grew up during the crack AIDS epidemic, if you will. And as an individual growing up on welfare, low income, college was never the goal. It was about getting out of high school. If you could do that, you've accomplished a lot. But interesting enough, I was always in the talented and gifted program. The Oliver Program found me in junior high school. And it was like, hey, you're smart. So are some of your friends. I remember getting called into the office. And I was like, why? Am I in trouble? They're like, no, you're actually smart. I was like, oh, I forgot that part. So, I got chosen, and they gave me an option. The option was to either go to a private boarding school or a private day school. And in New York City during that time, that wasn't really something we'd ever thought about. I was like, independent school? Sure. But I knew that I needed to leave. And so I chose a boarding school. Against my mother's wishes, against the family wishes, it was like, what do you mean? You're going away. But I knew that during that time, I needed to get out. Because if I didn't get out, I wasn't going to get anywhere. And so that was my way of like, yes, finally, there's an opportunity. So, I went to a private boarding school, Westtown School, shout out to them outside of Philadelphia. And if you could imagine, it's a private Quaker school. So coming from the city and going to a Quaker school, I'm like, okay, turn to the light. I was like, oh my goodness, what are you talking about? But that changed my entire life because it gave me the opportunity then to go to Cornell, which was never on my list. I was able to meet lifelong friends that I still talk to today. And throughout that journey, what I learned is that there were individuals in my community that were just as smart as me, if not smarter. And for some reason, every time I came home, they were still on the corner. They were still on the block. They weren't doing anything. And I'm like, hold on, I'm given a chance. Why not them? And that for me, like internally bothered me because I look at my sister, I look at my three sisters, and I look at how they struggled, and I'm like, but I got out. And I just don't like that notion of you get out and you don't give back. And so that's how I got into this work.
--:-- **Host (Mick Hunt):** You know, I was just thinking, Gary, you're the perfect person to have this conversation with. I want to talk to the viewers and listeners about something that I'm noticing because my oldest son coaches football. Right? And the last three years, he's been at the college level, and every day during enrollment for the football team, he calls me and he's like, "
