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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: And I'm Ryan Knutson.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: Today, we're talking about the complex and often frustrating world of health insurance. Billions of claims are processed every year, and around 19% of them are denied. Very few people appeal, but those that do have a chance at a different outcome.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: That's right. And we're going to hear from one family about the insurance denial that threw them into a life-or-death crisis.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: We're joined by Erin Stratton, whose father, Ed, was denied coverage for a liver transplant. Erin, thanks for being here.
--:-- Erin Stratton: Thanks for having me.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: So, tell us a little bit about your dad. What's his personality like?
--:-- Erin Stratton: Oh, yeah. He's got a huge personality. He's really funny, very engaging. He's been in sales his entire career, so he's got that very charismatic salesperson personality.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: That sounds like a great guy. What's his relationship like with you and your family?
--:-- Erin Stratton: We're very close. We live in St. Louis, Missouri, not far from my dad. He's got a big family, and we're all very close-knit.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: I see. So, can you tell us a little bit about what happened with your dad's health?
--:-- Erin Stratton: Yeah, absolutely. He's been dealing with health problems for a while now. He was diagnosed with colorectal cancer in 2019, and he underwent surgery and chemotherapy.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: And how did he respond to that treatment?
--:-- Erin Stratton: He responded very well to chemotherapy. He was relatively healthy or feeling well the majority of the time. He could still play golf, could still work.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: That's great to hear. But then, in the late summer of 2023, he started feeling sick again.
--:-- Erin Stratton: Yeah, that's right. It was his liver. Colorectal cancer often spreads to the liver, so his doctors started treatment. But that caused other problems. He was very tired, would get the chills a lot, get a lot of fevers. And his bile ducts were narrowing because of the scar tissue and things on his liver.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: I see. And what did his doctors recommend at that point?
--:-- Erin Stratton: They determined that he couldn't survive at the rate he was going, so they turned to emerging research that showed the best course of action for patients like Ed was a liver transplant.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: And that's when the insurance company, Anthem, got involved.
--:-- Erin Stratton: Yeah, that's right. They submitted the paperwork to Anthem, and in May, Anthem rejected Ed's claim.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: Can you tell us more about what happened with that rejection?
--:-- Erin Stratton: Yeah, sure. Anthem said that his plan didn't cover care that was investigational and not medically necessary. But Ed's doctors disagreed with that decision.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: And what did Ed's doctors say about that?
--:-- Erin Stratton: They said that the clinical evidence available at that time did support liver transplants for patients like Ed.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: I see. And what did Erin do next?
--:-- Erin Stratton: I started making calls to my contacts in the industry, trying to find out more about the appeals process and how to navigate it.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: And what did you learn?
--:-- Erin Stratton: I learned that it's a very complex and often frustrating process. You have to submit additional information to the insurance company, and then there's a third-party reviewer who makes a decision.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: And what happened with Ed's case?
--:-- Erin Stratton: Well, the third-party reviewer denied his claim again. But I didn't give up. I kept fighting, and eventually, Anthem overturned its denial and agreed to pay for the transplant.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: Wow, that's amazing. And what was going through your mind during that time?
--:-- Erin Stratton: I was just trying to stay focused and keep fighting for my dad. I knew that time was of the essence, and I didn't want to give up.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: I can imagine. And what about your dad's experience during that time?
--:-- Erin Stratton: He was getting sicker and sicker, and it was really tough to see him like that. But he was also really determined to get better.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: I see. And what about the role of the insurance company in all of this?
--:-- Erin Stratton: I think they have a responsibility to make decisions that are in the best interest of their patients. But in this case, they made a decision that was really hurtful and frustrating for us.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: I see. And what do you think is the biggest takeaway from this experience?
--:-- Erin Stratton: I think it's the importance of advocating for yourself and your loved ones when it comes to healthcare. Don't be afraid to ask questions and seek out help when you need it.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: That's great advice, Erin. Thanks for sharing your story with us today.
--:-- Erin Stratton: Thanks for having me.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: And thanks to our listeners for tuning in. If you want to hear more about this story, we've got a link to a WSJ article in our show notes.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: And if you want to learn more about the world of health insurance, we've got a link to a recent article by WSJ's Julie Wernau.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: That's right. Julie, thanks for being here.
--:-- Julie Wernau: Thanks for having me.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: So, Julie, can you tell us more about the world of health insurance and why denials happen?
--:-- Julie Wernau: Sure. Well, the insurance company's job is to try to rein in the costs of our very expensive healthcare system. They have to make decisions about what treatments are medically necessary and what aren't.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: And how do they make those decisions?
--:-- Julie Wernau: They have a team of clinicians who review the documentation and compare it to their insurance policies. If it doesn't match up, they deny the claim.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: And what about the appeals process? How does that work?
--:-- Julie Wernau: Well, the patient can submit additional information to the insurance company, and then there's a third-party reviewer who makes a decision.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: And what about the role of the patient in all of this? What can they do to advocate for themselves?
--:-- Julie Wernau: Patients need to be proactive and ask questions. They need to understand their insurance policies and what's covered and what's not.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: That's great advice, Julie. Thanks for sharing your expertise with us today.
--:-- Julie Wernau: Thanks for having me.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: And thanks to our listeners for tuning in. If you want to learn more about this topic, we've got a link to a recent article by Julie Wernau in our show notes.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: And that's all for today. Thanks for listening to The Journal.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: Thanks for tuning in.
--:-- Jessica Mendoza: See you tomorrow.
--:-- Ryan Knutson: See you tomorrow.
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