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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: Welcome to The Journal, our show about money, business, and power. I'm Jessica Mendoza.
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: My colleague Berbergen covers AI from San Francisco. But last month, he found himself a world away from Silicon Valley, wearing a hard hat in the middle of the Texas brush land. I mean, having covered tech for a few years, I would never have imagined traveling to a massive construction site as part of my job. But that is the moment we are in. The moment we're in is an AI building boom. And Berber and a bunch of other reporters had traveled to its beating heart. A massive new data center being built for OpenAI outside Abilene, Texas.
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: When we got there, it was basically just like a massive construction site. A lot of workers riding around in buggies. A lot of like pits in the ground that they were digging to lay fiber cables to connect the different data centers. There were like massive natural gas turbines that were serving as backup power for the facility. And then there were these eight white data centers that were springing up from the ground. The supercomputers in this complex will field users' chat GPT requests and train the next generation of OpenAI's models.
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: When all eight buildings are complete, it'll be the size of New York Central Park. This kind of mega construction project is happening across the country. Tech companies are pouring hundreds of billions of dollars into building a new generation of AI data centers. It's one of the costliest building sprees in history. And for market watchers, AI skeptics, analysts, and investors, this firehose of spending is raising one very basic question. Will all this investment pay off, or are we watching an AI bubble inflate?
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: AI companies measure the capacity of their data centers in watts. As in, how many megawatts or gigawatts of energy will a data center need to power the supercomputers inside? When it's finished, the Abilene complex will need about 1.5 gigawatts. That's approaching the amount of energy generated by the Hoover Dam. But OpenAI CEO Sam Altman says even that much computing power won't be enough.
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: When we come, walk sites like this and look at the incredible work, the first thing we think is, this is awesome. That's Altman in an interview at the Abilene site. And the second thing we think is we have to figure out how to do much more, faster, better, cheaper, to continue to meet what the demand scales will be years from now. Altman envisions a future not that long from now, when AI will be built into nearly every aspect of our lives.
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: Here's Berber again. The idea is that people are going to go from using ChatGPT like any other app to like having an AI agent that will help you book your travel recommendations and help you complete your tours. It can help you plan a party, send invitations, order supplies. It can help you understand your health care and make decisions on your journey. And this AI assistant is going to be running tasks for you while you're asleep. It can write an entire computer program from scratch to help you with whatever you'd like.
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: And we think this idea... Scientists are going to be using AI to, like, find a cure for cancer. And major governments are going to be using AI with, like, precision warfare. And corporations will be, like, using AI systems instead of, like, all these low-level employees that they're hiring. And all of us will need power, like computing power. Yes, exactly. To meet what it expects to be a surge in AI demand, OpenAI will need to build more data centers like Abilene. And it's laying plans to do just that.
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: This summer, OpenAI cut a $300 billion deal with the cloud computing company Oracle to buy more computing capacity. And on the tour Berber attended, the two companies made yet another announcement. Today we're here to talk about some very big investments that we're making. So OpenAI announced new data centers across the country. We have new sites across Shackleford County Texas a site in New Mexico a site in the Midwest And an expansion to the Abilene Data Center which they said would basically bring OpenAI to seven gigawatts of capacity for their data centers
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: And did they say anything about how much all of this was going to cost? OpenAI and Oracle did not announce how much the seven gigawatts of capacity would cost. but OpenAI executives estimate that each gigawatt of capacity costs roughly $50 billion to create the data center and buy the chips to put in them. So seven gigawatts by that math would be $350 billion. I was also told on the trip by OpenAI executives that OpenAI would need closer to 100 gigawatts. 100 gigawatts? Yes, which would put us easily into the trillions of dollars range. If one gigawatt costs $50 billion, 100 gigawatts would cost $5 trillion. That's more than the annual GDP of Germany.
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: And the thing is, it's not just open AI that's thinking and spending this way. Amazon is on track to pour more than $100 billion into CapEx this year. Microsoft says it plans to spend about $80 billion in its fiscal year to build out artificial intelligence. Meta says it will invest hundreds of billions of dollars in a compute build-out, and that is unprecedented. Multiple multi-gigawatt clusters in the works. In the next year alone, Microsoft, Meta, Amazon, and Alphabet are expected to spend nearly $400 billion on AI.
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--:-- Jessica Mendoza: This type of spending and speculative betting is what is defining the tech sector right now. Our colleague Elliot Brown covers finance, and he's been tracking the AI building boom along with Berber. Why are they all kind of piling in? Is it because, you know, OpenAI is spending all this money and Meta looks at them and they're like, oh, we can't get left behind. We need to spend this money too.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: I think there are a lot of really eerie parallels with the dot-com boom. In the early 2000s investors were bullish on the internet pouring money into seemingly any company with dot at the end of its name. Pets with its loudmouth sock puppet mascot is a memorable example. Now that you can get whatever you want at Pets.com, it's like Mardi Gras! Squeaky toys, new collars, leashes.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: When the bubble burst, many of those dot-com companies went bust, and investors lost their shirts. But Elliott says some of the biggest losers in the dot-com bust weren't actually dot-com companies. They were telecoms. What happened in the 90s was everyone saw that the internet was here and it was pretty overwhelming in expectations for its growth. And telecom companies and fiber builders just started blanketing the country with fiber optic cable.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: Telecom companies expected a surge in demand for high-speed internet connections. And they poured over $100 billion into building out that infrastructure. That went on for years. And then when the dot-com boom turned to bust, you suddenly realize that the country was massively overbuilt in terms of the amount of fiber that was needed. These fiber builders essentially thought that the trees could grow to the sky because the Internet was so real.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: And in reality, the Internet was very real, but it just didn't produce the absolutely stratospheric growth that all of these fiber builders were counting on. And yeah, I see a lot of that today where the reality of AI and inevitability that it has some large role in our lives coming forward sort of justify anything.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: By the end of the dot-com collapse, major telecom companies had declared bankruptcy and $2 trillion in market value had evaporated. Proponents of AI argue that this building boom is different. The internet took a while to take off, in part because people had to get their homes wired for high-speed internet. Today, in many parts of the world, you can start using AI instantly.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: And while AI isn't profitable yet, revenue is growing. Take OpenAI, for example. To OpenAI's credit, they didn't release a product until November 2022. So they're at $13 billion of revenue in three years, which is really fast, extraordinarily fast. Here's Berber Gin again.
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--:-- Berber Gin: And so if you keep the growth rate year in, year out and just extrapolate it over the next 10 years, it's going to get to a really high number. But for those concerned about a bubble, there are worrying signs that despite all of the spending, AI might not be taking off in the way that companies need it to. Take the launch of GPT-5, OpenAI's latest language model.
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--:-- Berber Gin: The hope was that it would be a giant leap forward for AI. But for many users, GPT-5 landed with a thud. On social media, Altman called the GPT-5 rollout bumpy, attributing it to the number of projects OpenAI was juggling. GPT-5 was not this momentous change in AI. It was more of this incremental improvement. At least that's how it was widely viewed.
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--:-- Berber Gin: And that, if that continues, is a huge problem because every time you make a new model, you spend multiple more times the investment to create that model. Every single new model is even more expensive to build out than the last one, basically? Yeah, and many billions and then ultimately going to the tens of billions of dollars.
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--:-- Berber Gin: So therefore, every time you do a new model, you need to get two, three, four times more money out of it. Making all that money could be tough, because for all the people who use AI, only about 3% pay for it, at least according to one study. And many businesses that do pay for it apparently haven't gotten a lot of use out of it. One MIT report found that 95% of the organizations surveyed were getting no return on their AI investments.
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--:-- Berber Gin: And remember, this is a sector that needs to make about $2 trillion a year by 2030. So, okay, if AI doesn't take off explosively, who gets burned? Yeah, so it's important to look at it that way because the worry is a lot less that AI isn't going to transform the economy. I think there's a lot of thought that AI will transform the economy. It's just about when.
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--:-- Berber Gin: And so if it doesn't happen quickly in the next few years, you're going to have a lot of debt that is going to be in trouble. And then you're going to have a lot of companies who are sort of all in on this, who are going to be in a lot of trouble. One company that could find itself in a tight spot is OpenAI. Under the terms of its deal with Oracle OpenAI will soon need to pay the company about billion a year Today OpenAI makes about billion in revenue according to someone familiar with the company finances.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: Elliott says other less well-known players in the AI building boom could also feel the squeeze, like companies that build data centers. So this is usually a real estate company, and they actually, you know, do what it sounds like. They get some steel and concrete and a bunch of backup generators and build a very expensive, very big warehouse. Building gigantic warehouses is expensive, so these companies often take on debt to do it.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: And then there are the middlemen. Sometimes you have a third party, a middleman, which basically leases the data center, buys the chips, and then rents the servers that they build inside to the big tech companies. That's so interesting. It's of course there's a middleman now. Of course there's a middleman. Those middlemen often take on debt too. For example, to buy all those chips.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: If demand for AI doesn't take off explosively, all this debt doesn't go away. Berber, have tech leaders addressed the bubble talk? Yes. A lot of tech CEOs have sort of acknowledged the moment we're in, right? Where there's a lot of assumptions that are being made and a lot of gambles that are being made with their money.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: But I think in any bubble, people like to say, we're not the dumb money. The dumb money is somewhere else. People are going to lose money, but it's not going to be us. You talk to every layer of the stack, like the open AIs of the world, the cloud providers, the data center investors, the data center builders, the land and power people. All of them say, it's going to be a bubble, but we're not going to lose the money for these XYZ reasons.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: And that's the kind of psychology also behind how these investors and CEOs rationalize the amount of risk they're taking. Sam Altman specifically has acknowledged the possibility of a bubble. He said that investors are overexcited about AI and that some would, quote, get burned. His argument is that over a long stretch of time, right, it's going to be worth it. And in the case of fiber, it was.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: The long-awaited surge in high-speed internet demand did eventually arrive. And when it did, all that cable infrastructure the telecoms had built finally got put to use. We're still using it today. The infrastructure survived, even if the companies that built it didn't. But in the case of AI, it's not clear all this infrastructure will prove as useful over the long haul.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: So you put a fiber cable in the ground, and you sit there for 15 years and don't use it, and then you turn on a switch and you can use it. The problem with the chips is that they get better constantly. And so if we don't need all this capacity, but we need it in 10 years, it's kind of like having a bunch of iPhone 4s lying around in a warehouse. If the AI revolution doesn't arrive or arrive quickly enough, it's not clear what happens to all these new expensive data centers like the one in Abilene.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: I think there's a risk that there are just a lot of these shells of buildings that aren't operative. I mean, this is kind of, right, this is like a real bare case scenario. I mean, it's giving like zombie mall vibes, you know? It would be pretty hard to convert to housing.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: Do we get any better at identifying bubbles? Or do we have to learn this lesson again every time? I think manias, bubbles, are just an incredibly ingrained part of history. Like if you look back to basically any transformative technology that requires infrastructure investment, we've had infrastructure bubbles in all of them.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: You know, the internet, we've talked about. Electricity. Electricity took ages before it was really adopted by the economy and revved up manufacturing. It took like 50 years. Canals, railroads. Railroads had multiple bubbles in them. So these things are all really useful. But the initial builders that got really excited about them all got burned.
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--:-- Elliott Brown: That's all for today, Tuesday, October 14th. The Journal is a co-production of Spotify and The Wall Street Journal. Additional reporting in this episode by Robbie Whelan. Thanks for listening. See you tomorrow.
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