--:-- Ryan Knudsen: A quick heads up before we get started, this episode discusses suicide. Please listen with care.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: About a year ago, a man named John Barnett got into his orange Dodge Ram to take a road trip. He was driving from his home in Louisiana to Charleston, South Carolina. He was going there to give a deposition and a long-standing legal case he had against his former employer. Before Barnett hit the road, he told his mother, Vicki Stokes, that he had a bad feeling about the trip.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: You know, I asked him, I said, what do you mean? He said, well, I just don't have a good feeling. I'll just be glad to get this trip over with. He says, I'm not scared. He said, I just don't have a good feeling about this trip.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: After two grueling days of depositions, and before he finished his testimony, Barnett was found dead in his truck in the parking lot of a Holiday Inn. Police ruled his death a suicide. In his truck, on the seat beside him, there was a note. It was in Barnett's handwriting. It said that he was at peace and that he loved his family. And in large letters, followed by three exclamation points, it said, I pray Boeing pays.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Boeing. Barnett worked for the airplane manufacturing giant for nearly 30 years. Before he left the company, he filed a whistleblower complaint with the Department of Labor, alleging the company retaliated against him and pushed him out because he'd raised safety concerns. Boeing disputes this.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: In a statement, the company said, quote, We are saddened by Mr. Barnett's passing, and our thoughts continue to be with his family and friends. Boeing's statement concluded, We encourage all employees at Boeing to speak up if they see a potential problem or issue.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Over his career at Boeing, Barnett did speak up. A lot. He just felt like they didn't care. And, you know, he just, he didn't know where to go. And we tried to tell him, you know, you can't fight a company like that. Just let it go. And he said, I just, you know, I can't.
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--:-- Ryan Knudsen: John Barnett grew up in Louisiana. His family called him by his middle name, Mitch. Here's his older brother, Rodney Barnett. I don't remember us ever calling him John. He's always been Mitch to us. That's just ever since we were small.
--:-- Rodney Barnett: We talked to Rodney about his younger brother over the phone from his home in central Louisiana. Rodney said that their mother, Vicki, instilled a clear sense of right and wrong in her kids. She had to raise us, the four boys, by herself, pretty much single-handedly. And, you know, she taught us to always do what was right and stand up for those that couldn't stand up for themselves.
--:-- Rodney Barnett: Rodney remembers one day when they were kids, when Barnett and one of his friends were throwing rocks at an abandoned house, and they got caught. So the police showed up and brought him to my mom. And the policeman was laughing. He said, you have one honest kid. He said, because when I got these two, he said, I asked him, did they bust the windows? And the friend of Mitch was the son of a preacher. And the friend told him, no, sir, they didn't do that. So he turned to Mitch and he asked, he said, did you throw rocks and bust that door? He said, yes, sir. He said, I threw that first rock. And it bounced right off that sucker, so I threw another one as hard as I could.
--:-- Rodney Barnett: Did he end up getting in trouble? Oh, we always got in trouble, but, you know, it was for the good. It taught us a lesson. After high school, Barnett briefly served in the military. He then went on to a job at Rockwell International, a company that helped build space shuttles for NASA. After that, in 1988, he was hired at Boeing, building airplanes.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: It was a job he was proud of. Boeing was the place. I mean, they were the place to work, you know. That's Barnett in 2019 in an interview with the New York Times. Oh, my God. It was amazing when I put that Boeing shirt on, how my chest puffed out. You know, I'd walk into the room. He loved his job. He loved the company. He was proud to wear that shirt. And he told us that he'd go out and people would find out he worked for Boeing. And they were just congratulating him and thanking him for what he was doing out there.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: When Barnett started working at Boeing in the late 1980s, the company had a sterling reputation. There was a popular phrase at the time, if it ain't Boeing, I ain't going. Rodney says the company's high standards were part of what his brother loved about his job.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett started his career at the Boeing factory in Everett, Washington, near Seattle. That's where he got into quality assurance, where his job was to check airplanes for defects. Once he got into quality control and started attending the classes, he put in hundreds of hours of class time, progressing up a quality control ladder and preparing himself to move on to the next level.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Over time, Barnett became an expert at the meticulous process of building airplanes. and the documentation that goes along with it, which is something that's mandated by the Federal Aviation Administration. Barnett loved his job, and he felt like he was really good at it, which is why he jumped at an opportunity that came up in 2010 when Boeing was opening a new plant near Charleston, South Carolina.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett was brought in to help set up the factory's quality control system on the company's latest model, the 787 Dreamliner. They offered him a chance to get in on the ground floor, setting up a new plant, getting their safety and quality procedures in place, you know, setting up the programs. At the time, he was considered one of the most knowledgeable quality control inspectors at Seattle. So he was looking, you know, he's looking forward to it.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett's arrival in South Carolina happened as Boeing was undergoing major changes. A little over a decade earlier, Boeing merged with a former rival called McDonnell Douglas. In the years after the merger, and this is according to several former Boeing employees and mid-level executives, the company started scrutinizing every dollar it spent, and it put a greater emphasis on increasing profits.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Safety and quality were still considerations, but the overall focus of the company leaders seem to be more about maximizing shareholder returns. These changes at Boeing happened slowly, over the course of years. But for Barnett, he felt them more acutely when he was transferred to that new plant in South Carolina, which was staffed up with new employees who didn't have the years of experience in the aviation industry like he did.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett talked about what it was like in an interview a few years ago on the Today Show. From day one, it's just all been about schedule and hurry up and just get it done, push the planes out, we're behind schedule. You know, we don't have time to worry about issues that y'all bring up.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett worked as a quality manager at the South Carolina plant for seven years. And it was what he experienced during those seven years that changed everything about his relationship with the company. Just before he left Boeing in 2017, Barnett filed a whistleblower complaint against the company, alleging it had retaliated against him for raising safety concerns.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: To understand what happened while Barnett worked there, we read through court filings, including the lengthy deposition he gave just before he died. We talked to former colleagues and family members about Barnett's claims. We also talked to Boeing, though the company declined to make anyone available for an interview.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: To boil it down, Barnett thought the South Carolina plant was a mess. He said he noticed lots of problems, like metal shavings left behind that could damage a plane's wiring, defective parts that were removed from a secure area and could have been installed on airplanes. He was alarmed by the fact that mechanics on the assembly line were allowed to inspect their own work.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Boeing confirmed that Barnett raised these issues and said they'd all been fixed. The company said it ended the self-inspection program in 2022 and that in most cases, Barnett wasn't the only person to point out problems like these. Boeing said it encourages workers to come forward.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Boeing also pointed out that the 787 Dreamliner, which was manufactured at the plant where Barnett worked has a strong safety record. The meat of Barnett complaint though is more about how he was treated when he raised alarms about this stuff In his deposition Barnett said he was consistently met with pushback He said his bosses told him repeatedly that he didn't know how to do his job.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: One of Barnett's colleagues in South Carolina was a man named Roy Irvin. He's retired now, but Roy says it was hard to raise safety concerns. Just a constant argument with no matter what you're trying to do. It would be a constant argument. I'm trying to do the right thing.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Roy worked in quality at the South Carolina plant from 2010 to 2020. After Barnett died, he started speaking out publicly about Boeing. Roy remembers one time Barnett called him to the factory floor. He wanted Roy to back him up in a disagreement he was having with his supervisors. He seemed to be kind of stuttering and mumbling.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: You know, I mean, I could tell he was really shaken. He had his own quality leadership against him. He was standing his ground, you know, but you could tell he was nervous about it. Tell me more about that. It was his manager, production managers, and it was four or five against one like they did a lot of.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: And so these are situations where he was saying something needs to change inside the airplane. There's a problem that needs to be fixed. And his own bosses were saying, no, it doesn't. Right, yes. Yeah, and Boeing's really good about putting three or four guys against you.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: You'd have two or three production managers. You'd have two or three other quality managers. And they were going against him, and he's trying to explain the right way to do things. And, you know, they weren't having it. Boeing said the company carefully investigates concerns and said, quote, we take action to address any validated issue.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett said in his deposition that many of his superiors and colleagues didn't seem to care about policies and procedures the way he did. He recalled a meeting where he told a group of mechanics that documenting production of an airplane was just as important as the airplane itself. Barnett said the whole room burst out laughing.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett also testified that his bosses said things in meetings like, we've got to work this weekend because Barnett found an issue. He said his superiors pressured him to stop putting so many of the problems he found in writing, but he refused to comply. Here he is talking about that in a Netflix documentary.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: They've told us flat out they do not want anything in documentation so they can maintain culpable deniability. They don't want anything documented. Boeing said employees are, quote, empowered and encouraged to report any concern with safety and quality.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett's brother, Rodney, says Barnett told him Boeing managers said he needed to ease up on his requirements. They were trying to get things done, and they wanted him to sign off on things that he hadn't inspected. And just one thing after another started to snowball, kind of like. they started changing procedures or just flat-out dropping procedures and not having an inspection.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Boeing said it had a zero-tolerance policy for employees signing off on inspections they hadn't done, and that there are ways employees can report claims about this. The company said Barnett never raised any valid claims of this nature. He was really aggravating. It upset him because he took the responsibility of his job seriously.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: It wasn't something that he just came in and reported to work and then left. According to his performance reviews, which were discussed at length in his deposition, it seems like Barnett's managers thought he could be difficult to work with. In those reviews, they said Barnett had operational knowledge, but that they wanted him to be more adaptable and to talk with colleagues in person about how to solve problems, rather than sending emails.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett was insistent on following policies and procedures down to the letter. His bosses wanted him to be a team player and just get the work done. They said he needed to learn the art of, quote, working in the gray areas. In the South Carolina plant, Barnett started to get lower scores on his reviews. And he said that one of his supervisors once told him, quote, I'm going to push you until you break.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Boeing disputes that this happened and said the company did not retaliate against Barnett. His mom, Vicki Stokes, saw the toll this was taking on her son when she visited him in South Carolina. He would come home and I'd notice he was working a late shift and I'd notice he wasn't going to bed.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: So I'd get up and go downstairs. And, you know, he'd just be sitting outside drinking coffee or something. I'd ask him what was wrong. And he'd say, I just don't understand, you know, why they won't fix things. And that's when it started bothering him. And he said, I go to my boss and they don't seem to care. And he tried to go up the line. And he said, I just can't get anything done.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: And that's when we started noticing him. I noticed it affected him mentally or, you know, stress. He just worried about it all the time. Why do you think he couldn't let it go? He said, well, because it's the right thing and somebody has to do it. And he told me one time, Mama, if something happened to one of those planes that I signed off on, I could never live with myself.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: And he said, that's somebody's mother, daddy, brother, or child on those planes. And he said, you know, I just have to pursue this. According to court filings, Barnett started applying for other jobs within Boeing. But he said he'd been blacklisted and couldn't get transferred. At one point, he was moved from managing quality on the production floor, where he actually worked on airplanes, to what he considered to be a demotion, where his job was to keep track of defective parts.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: In his testimony, Barnett said he was humiliated, and it felt like a, quote, slap in the face. Barnett filed internal ethics complaints and went to HR. But he said his situation never improved. And then, in late 2016, Barnett said he found out his name was at the top of a list of people his managers wanted to get rid of. Boeing said there's no evidence such a list ever existed.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: The company also said he was never demoted, and that his pay was never cut, and that the company rotated people's positions around the factory all the time. Barnett later told his lawyers that it was around this time that he was diagnosed with post-traumatic stress disorder. And his doctor told him that he could have a heart attack if he didn't leave his job.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: How hard of a decision do you think it was for your brother to quit Boeing, a company that he seemed to love working for? It was really a struggle for him. He kept thinking that things would get better, I believe. And he stuck with that as long as he could, facing that retaliation and everything that was being thrown at him by his managers until he just had to leave.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: So it wasn't easy for him to do that. But Barnett said he didn't feel like he had a choice. So in early 2017, after roughly three decades at Boeing, he retired, 10 years earlier than he said he planned to. Barnett moved back to Louisiana to be near his mother and brothers. He built a pool at his house for his nieces and nephews. He got married. On the surface, it seemed like he was ready to move on.
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--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Just before he left Boeing, John Barnett reached out to a local lawyer who specializes in whistleblower cases, a man named Rob Turkowitz. And as he told me from day one, he said, I was concerned about the flying public, and that was his number one priority. and he said that with the violations that were going on at the 787 plant, it needs to be made public and the regulators need to know about it.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: And at some point you know Boeing going to be held accountable for it Being a whistleblower can mean lots of things It can mean just speaking up internally It can mean going to the media. But in the airline industry, there's actually a law that defines it. It was enacted in the year 2000, and it's known as Air 21.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: The law did several things that tried to improve safety in the airline industry, and one of them was adding protections to employees who spoke up about safety. With his lawyer's help, Barnett filed two formal complaints, one with the FAA, alleging safety violations, and another with OSHA, the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, alleging that Boeing retaliated against him for raising concerns.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: While Barnett's two complaints worked their way through the system, he was still haunted by what happened at Boeing. In his deposition, Barnett said he thought about applying for other jobs. Remember, he retired 10 years earlier than he said he'd planned to. But he couldn't face it. Too many bad memories.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Here's Barnett's lawyer, Rob, again. Every time he tried to fill out an application, he just couldn't do it. Because of, you know, he just started having these anxiety attacks and panic attacks. he didn't want to risk having to be working for individuals that would subject him to, you know, the kind of hostile work environment he was subjected to.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: That's pretty, I mean, that sounds pretty intense to have that feeling about, you know, any other job. Yeah, I mean, I think this, I think his experience at Boeing had a profound effect on him. and it just totally affected his life and everything around him. This might seem like an extreme reaction to a job, but to many psychologists who study whistleblowers, it can actually be quite common.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Whistleblowers often can't understand why the people in charge don't acknowledge or fix the problems that to them seem so obvious. And for the whistleblower, this dissonance can lead to social isolation, depression, extreme anxiety, and even symptoms of PTSD. Then, in 2018 and 2019, safety at Boeing became a big story.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Welcome to the program. We begin with breaking news coming out of Asia Pacific. A Lion Air flight has crashed into the sea off the coast of Indonesia's capital, Jakarta. It was a Boeing plane. And of everyone on board, almost 200 people, no one survived. To Barnett, it felt like his worst nightmares were coming true.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: And then, just a few months later... Breaking news, an Ethiopian Airlines flight has crashed shortly after takeoff from Addis Ababa, killing all 157 passengers and crew thought to be on board. You know, each time there was a problem with Boeing, like the crashes and all, it made him even more determined to make sure that his voice was heard, not only by the FAA, but also by the public.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: He felt like the public needed to be warned about these things. There are these concerns that he didn't feel were being adequately addressed. To be clear, the two Boeing planes that crashed were different from the ones Barnett worked on and were not produced at the South Carolina plant. And investigators concluded that the crashes were primarily the result of faulty engineering rather than manufacturing problems.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett was watching all of this unfold, And he started talking publicly about his concerns, doing interviews for newspapers, TV shows, and a documentary. Here he is again in an interview with the New York Times. I still lose sleep every night. I just, I guess, I don't know. I got a conscience or something. I don't know. But I just, you know, I had to get it. I have to get it addressed.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: That's why I keep telling my story. Somebody's got to step in and get it addressed. Meanwhile, Barnett felt like his whistleblower case against Boeing was going nowhere. Barnett filed his two complaints with two different agencies, the FAA and OSHA, but his experience with each agency was very different. The FAA complaint, which is about manufacturing violations, was partly substantiated.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: The agency said Boeing was already fixing some of the problems Barnett raised. With OSHA, which looked at his retaliation claims, it took nearly four years for the agency to reach a conclusion. and OSHA rejected his claim, but only seemed to address one aspect of it, which was that he was passed over for other jobs. The agency said there wasn't evidence to support that.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: OSHA declined to comment specifically on Barnett's case. Rob says that both he and Barnett were frustrated with how long the process was taking. But Barnett wasn't ready to give up. He felt like the FAA's findings gave his claims legitimacy, but that OSHA hadn't given him a fair shake. And he worried things at the plant weren't really getting better.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: So, in 2021, he and his lawyer appealed the OSHA ruling and filed a case with the Department of Labor. Barnett sought compensation for having to retire early and damages for the psychological toll he said he suffered. In response, Boeing did what big corporations do. It fought back. Boeing tried to get pieces of Barnett's case dismissed, without success.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: It filed a counterclaim, alleging he wrongfully held on to internal company documents. A judge ultimately dismissed that case. His lawyer, Rob, also says Boeing dragged its feet in turning over discovery documents. The judge in the case admonished Boeing multiple times for being slow in handing over information.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: At one point, the judge called the company's compliance with those orders, quote, woefully lacking. In response to questions about this, Boeing said it submitted over 8,500 documents in the case. All this legal back and forth kept Barnett busy for years, well after he left Boeing.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: How much time did you notice him working on his case, his lawsuit against Boeing? A lot. Barnett's mother, Vicki, again. I never went over to his house if there wasn't papers and boxes in his office or in his living room. He was always going through something.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: How much mental space do you think it took up in his mind? A lot of it. I don't think a day went by he didn't think about it. It didn't worry him. He was, you know, he just worried about it. When he started, he started losing weight. And he just looked, he looked old. I mean, he looked older than his brothers. And I could tell by that that it was a lot of stress and strain.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: And I guess that's when I noticed what a toll it was. That's when I started telling him, you know, won't you just let this thing go? And he said, you know, I've come too far. I can't let it go now. They need to fix it. And then, in January of last year, a door plug blew off the side of a Boeing 737 MAX.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: An Alaska Airlines flight was forced to make an emergency landing. A passenger video taken on board the Boeing 737 MAX 9 plane shows the gaping hole. Even though it was a different type of plane and not produced at the South Carolina plant where it used to work, Barnett was furious. It was after that door blew out. He was very, very upset.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: We happened to go over there that day for something after that door plug blew out. And he was angry. I mean, to the point he was slamming things around. He said, you know, somebody's kid could have been sitting in that seat or something. There was no reason for that to happen.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: An investigation by the National Transportation Safety Board concluded that bolts that should have held the door plug in place were missing. Boeing apologized and said it was working to fix its processes. About a month after the door plug blew out, Barnett's lawsuit against Boeing finally started picking up.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Seven years after he left the company, he now had a trial date. And in February 2024, depositions were set to begin. So Barnett got in his truck, that orange Dodge Ram, and drove 14 hours from his home in Pineville, Louisiana, to Charleston to give his testimony. When he arrived, he checked into a Holiday Inn just off the highway.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: But the night before Barnett's deposition was going to start, his lawyer Rob says Boeing submitted a bunch of discovery documents that they'd never seen before. So Rob asked to postpone the proceedings so they could go over everything. Barnett talked on the phone to his mom, Vicki.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: He gave me a long explanation of they had postponed it and he had to be there another week. And so I talked to him that Sunday. And he said, Mom, I'm just going crazy sitting around in this room waiting on this and going through documents and going through paperwork.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett ended up staying in that hotel room for two weeks. And then, on March 7th, Barnett's deposition finally got underway. He would get to tell his whole story, under oath, start to finish. Though the questioning was routine, his lawyer Rob says it proved to be hard for him.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Well, the first day was Boeing's lawyers deposing him, and she was going in a whole litany of questions and repeating a lot of the questions over and over again, which John found to be pretty frustrating. Boeing's lawyers questioned him for about seven hours.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: They combed over the details of his complaints, his performance reviews, emails he exchanged with his managers. They asked whether his bosses were just trying to help him become a better colleague when they told him to have more conversations face-to-face. It was clear that he was exhausted from the first day.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: The next day it was his lawyers turn to ask questions And it was another intense day for Barnett And we got maybe four hours of questioning in and we just had a few more maybe an hour or two left But we noticed that John was getting really tired, and it was getting into late afternoon.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: So John had basically said that he was just, you know, ready to go back to Louisiana and asked if he could do that. But postponing the rest of the deposition would have pushed back the entire case. So Rob says Barnett agreed to come back again the next morning.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: John basically didn't want to do anything that was going to delay the case and delay the trial date. So John said, all right, you know, we'll go forward. And so the next day, we were going to resume the deposition at 10 o'clock in the morning.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: The next day, when Rob and the other lawyers were sitting around the deposition table, Barnett didn't show up. So I called the hotel and asked whether or not John had checked out. And they said he had not. I asked him to try his room just to see if he's still there. And he wasn't.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: So finally, I asked the hotel manager if she would check to see if his truck was still there, hoping that he was at least on its way. And she came back and she said, the truck is still there. I called EMS. 911, what's the address of the emergency? 301 Savannah Highway.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Tell me exactly what happened. I just had a guest call in or a gentleman call in wanting to do a wellness check on a room. We went up to the room, couldn't locate him, went out to go look at his vehicle. And the gentleman is in the driver's seat. I'm not sure if he's unconscious or asleep, but he has a firearm in his hand.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Rob raced to the Holiday Inn. It was kind of a surreal scene, you know, with the emergency vehicles all surrounding John's car and not being able to find out through the emergency responders what was going on and what happened.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: What did you think when you heard that he was dead? And, I mean, we were all devastated by it. And, you know, it was just hard to know. I mean, we were just in shock, really. Back in Louisiana, Barnett's brother Rodney was outside, mowing his lawn.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: A sheriff sped up his driveway and got out of the car. I said, well, what happened? He said, well, he's deceased. and I wasn't expecting that. It took a while to sink in. I mean, you know, this happens. He's not going to be part of us physically anymore.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: So I had to make the calls to my mom and my brothers. I was in JCPenney's buying some tops. And one of my sons, Rodney, called. And he said, Mom, where are you? And I said, I'm trying to buy me some clothes. And he said, well, the police just come by here.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: And I said, oh, my God, is it Mitch? And he said, yes. I said, Rodney, is it bad? And he said, yes. Vicki left the store and met up with Rodney and her other son, Mike. It just wasn't a good day.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Why didn't you think, what did you think? You said you couldn't believe it, but why was it so surprising to you that he'd taken his own life? Because I just wasn't like him. I mean, I just, I could not believe, especially, he's fought this for eight years.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: He was right at the end, from what I understand, another couple of hours, and it was done for him. You know, so why at that time would he do that? We just have a lot of questions about that. Do you remember the last conversation that you had with him?
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: I went to his house before he left and hugged him. Told him to be safe, all the things that mama say. and told him not to worry. Everything will be all right. And that was the last time I saw him. And if I had known that, I'd have hugged him a lot longer.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: But anyway, I'm sorry. Let me just take a minute. Barnett was found in his orange Dodge Ram around 10 a.m. with a gunshot wound to the head. From the hotel security footage, it appears he sat in his truck all night long, his brake lights flashing periodically throughout the night.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: The last flash was around 7 a.m. It's impossible to know what exactly was on Barnett's mind that night. But in his truck, police found that piece of paper, the one with his handwriting all over it. It said things like, quote, I can't do this any longer. Enough.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Barnett also wrote that he wanted to be buried face down so that Boeing's leaders could, quote, kiss my ass. police and the coroner ruled his death a suicide after seeing the kind of pressure that he was dealing with and he dealt with that I mean it was seven years after he retired he dealt with that he was under all that pressure and he held up as long as he could
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: Rodney says that through his brother's estate the family is pursuing his whistleblower case against Boeing We don't think they pulled the trigger We think that if this would have been taken care of a long time ago when it should have been and if Boeing had come forward and adhered to their procedures and policies and made sure that those aircraft were put together the way they should have been, we wouldn't have this discussion right now.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: He loved Boeing. He loved the company. He was proud to work for them. In fact, I was telling somebody a while back when we started cleaning out his house, I couldn't believe that he still had his Boeing shirts hanging in the closet.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: There was one more thing the police found in their investigation of Barnett's death that seemed to say a lot about what he was going through. It's an email he sent to his lawyers in 2021. He wrote, quote, Each time I do an interview, deposition, or other stressful discussion on what happened with me and Boeing, I relive those years all over again.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: It puts me in a deep depression for a week or two, depending on the intensity level of the discussion. I shut myself in. I don't want family or friends coming over. I'm angry at the world. In his email, Barnett was also trying to figure out how much compensation he wanted to sue Boeing for.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: He said it was easy to figure out the direct costs from retiring early, for stuff like lost pay and lost bonuses. But, quote, What I am struggling with is how do you repair or restore a person's overall outlook on life? I used to be a very happy-go-lucky guy that loved his job, his company, and the products they built.
--:-- Ryan Knudsen: I had a very positive outlook on life. Boeing has absolutely destroyed my outlook on life. I often sit here and think, what's the use? What's the point of life? A person works hard all their life, trying to do the right thing, treating others with respect, just to have their entire professional life destroyed because they were
