Recession Indicators with Dorothy Wang: Thursday, December 4th, 2025

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I love that I did the same thing, but like colloquially, I didn't change it. Like legally, it's a lot of paperwork. A lot of paperwork. I'm so, this is, we were trying to decide if this is your second or third time on The Toast. So I've been digging. Yes, please. I found a photo of us from, I remember when you and Jackie did the pop-up in LA and I was like the first guest. Yes. But I remember going on to that, like I already knew you guys. Before. Before. So I think for rich kids when we came to New York. Or I've been thinking about it because I couldn't find a photo. I've been Googling morning breath. Yeah, of course. So you were on the breath. The morning breath. Yes. When we were in LA, it was the morning breath pop-up. Yes. And I thought that was your first time. No, because I felt a familiarity with you guys. I remember my publicist being like, oh, they want you back or something. But I think we had some sort of little junket and maybe you guys came. Oh, maybe. And we had like a little – like a little – like when season two or season one or something for the show. Well, I remember you coming on The Breath because you like – I always liked you and knew you. But you impressed me so much because you came on the toast. And I don't know if you said it to us off camera. But you said, I feel like I think Kylie Jenner's pregnant. And we were like, girl, there's literally no way. No, I knew. We're like, no, there's no way. And then a year later, she literally posted like Stormy's Born. And Jackie and I were like, oh my God, Dorothy Wade. No, I know. I had a – no, but it's – I just pay attention. Mm-hmm. So I – and also for – it's not even like I'm purposely watching the – but if you follow someone on Instagram, you see what they're wearing all the – and that was like King Kylie. An indicator. She was wearing her little – and it was the middle of summer, I remember. And she had her King of Kylie. No, what is it? King of Kylie show coming out. Oh, such a good show. And she did an e-press interview in a sweatshirt in the middle of August. And I was like, this girl is showing body, body, body all the time. And I think – and I remember – because I was at E at the time too. So I was like, the press push is a little light. Like I think she was like getting days off. And there must have been some sort of behind the scenes too thing. Like maybe actually like we ended up being able to use a studio because Kylie canceled. I was like, that's weird. And then I was just watching and it just – I just felt it. It was one of the most impressive celebrity predictions I'd ever, ever experienced. You just pay attention. I don't know. I pay attention. But I'm like that all the time. Like I know when people are getting their boobs out. Like I can just tell. Because when you're seeing people online every day and then something changes or their habits change, it's just I'm like something's up. Do you have like a high screen time? Do you monitor your screen time? I don't check. But do you rot a lot? Like you just roll a lot? I have been recently. I really go through times when I'm like I'm going to read a book. I'm not going to – you know, I'm going to go on a walk. But sometimes I just let myself have it. Of course. And recently I've been – for some reason TikTok has been putting me to bed. Like nothing else can do it, but I'll just scroll and then it calms me and then I can fall asleep. Well, TikTok was blowing up most recently about you because your wedding sort of took the internet by storm. It was so gorgeous. We would expect nothing less from you. And I said this when we were like recapping your wedding on the toast. You have a very high bar for like style and you're very critical of other people. So you have to have your house in order when you are criticizing other people's just design choices. And when you're hosting. Yes. And your wedding was so beautiful. Can you tell me a little bit about how you met your husband? And he's a Jew and you converted, which I have so many questions for you about. So Brandon is a New York Jew, fourth generation. He's actually my cousin. I know. Maybe so. We're related. So we actually met at a Halloween party. Okay. I always get the years wrong because I'm very bad with the years. I think we met four years ago, maybe four years, three years ago. I'm not sure. My first New York, my first Halloween that I moved from L.A. to New York, I was with all my girlfriends and some of my girlfriends were actually friends with him. And I would hear his name in passing. I wonder what Brandon Yankiewicz is doing. Like, well, whatever. And then we were all going to the same Halloween party. It was the year that the net opened. And they were having this Halloween party. I was going to my girlfriends. He was going. And we actually met separately downstairs. So we were going up to the party to meet our friends. And we locked eyes at the elevator. And then when we got up, he was like, oh, hi, I'm Brandon. Can I get you a drink? And we were talking at the bar. And then our mutual friends all came over. And we're like, how do you know each other? I was like, how do you know? This is the boy I met downstairs. Right, right, right. And they're like, this is our friend Brandon. And so it was kind of cute because we kind of met on our own before we were going to meet through our friends. You don't hear people meeting like that these days. I know. It's so, like, old school. Meeting in person. Meeting in person, locking eyes, being like, oh, he's cute. Did you know, like, pretty quickly? Well, it was always very intentional with him. Like, that night he said, oh, would you like to go out next weekend? And he – because I had told him I just moved to New York. He said, what brings you to New York? He said, I want to try new things. I want to experience different things. I lived in LA my whole life. And so he's like, oh, have you been to the show, Company XIV in Brooklyn? Would you like to go? And I said, sure. And by the time I woke up the next morning, he had texted me and sent me the tickets and was like, a car. I'll have a car. That's so appreciative. A car will pick you up at 730. So it was always very intentional. And I remember on the first date, I remember telling my friends after and recapping and just saying, like, this is what a husband should feel like. I didn't know if he was going to be my husband, but I was like, this is how they should feel. And this is how you should be treated too. Yes. He was just such a good, like just a good gem, like a gem of a person. And he just, he really, I always just say that like he had so many, like he was an athlete. He's very smart. He goes out. Like there's a lot of avenues in which he could have kind of become a douchebag or become not a nice person. And he just really is like the nicest, most caring, thoughtful person. Like he sometimes, like he always wants people to feel good. But if we're at a party and he feels like someone doesn't know someone, he'll be like, Dorothy, let's go talk to them. So they feel like – Oh, that's really sweet. And coming from L.A., where everyone's scared to talk to anyone. And it's like the opposite. It's like I was like, what? But he's like, let's go talk to her and make sure she feels like she has – like she knows people here. Oh, my God. That's so sweet. And so what point in your courtship did you start talking about converting? Was that something you wanted to take up? Was it like a requirement for him? He kind of – I think once we got a little bit more serious, obviously, maybe like – I don't know. maybe like a year in and we're talking about future. And I think he mentioned, you know, I always hoped that my wife would be Jewish. Like, would you be open to converting? And growing up in Beverly Hills, being from L.A., going to every bat mitzvah. You're basically Jewish. My parents have a lot of Jewish friends, Jewish partners. I grew up with amazing Jewish friends and their family. So it felt – it didn't feel so foreign to me. And for me, I also was not raised religiously. So for me, it was really – it wasn't like I was leaving a religion. Yes, I was just gaining something, not losing something. And if it makes him happy and, you know, it's important to him. I love that. And when you were posting about your journey, I was freaking. Like, first of all, where do you start? Like, how do you find the right place? And what denomination? Like, did you do conservative? What did you do? Not conservative. Reform. Reform, reform, reform. So we found a rabbi. So Brandon's friends, parent family friends, knew a guy who knew a guy. We got put in touch with Rabbi Michael Ehrlich. Slay. He's from Florida and West Hampton. So he kind of goes back and forth. And my process was very straightforward. I read a book called To Be a Jew. And it was just like a guide to observance of Judaism in the modern era. And we did four to five Zooms. We talked about it. I had my mikvah. And then I was Jewish. How was the mikvah? It was great. It's very peaceful. No, I kind of wanted to stay in there for a while. The water felt nice. It's really fresh, like spring water. Yes, it's really fresh. And yeah, no, it felt great. That's so funny. And so did you have like Jewish traditions at your wedding? You stood under a chlopah. Yes, we had a Jewish ceremony. We flew the rabbi out. Michael? Michael Ehrlich. Same rabbi. Yes, same rabbi. Yes, and also we had a Chinese tea ceremony too. I saw. I love that. So we like to merge the traditions. I love that. There's something cooler. I was just having this conversation with someone. I feel like when you grow up with a strong heritage or if you – I think a lot of people grow up in immigrant households. Sometimes it's like an annoying thing when you're growing up. You eat differently or you have to do different things than your Gentile friends. Yes. But then I feel like when you get older, having those traditions, especially as you get married, it's like the best. It's so cool. And it makes you – I don't know. I always felt so different and unique. I think growing up, especially during lunchtime. Lunchtime was hard. Of course. Lunchtime as a Chinese girl is very difficult. because you're eating weird fruits. It's wrapped differently. Like, I don't know. Asians love to saran wrap. I would just make mom, can I just zip lock that? Just a zip lock. Tupperware, something. Or like, can I get a thermos with ravioli inside? It was, no, that was not happening. But then also I feel like as you got older, it became even more celebrated like Bling Empire. Yes. That was, okay, so you've been on two pretty iconic reality shows. One on a streamer and one on E! And I'm so curious like what the difference was in terms of like format. Just like overall experience. It was really different. We didn't know. I always joke. We didn't know how good we had it at E. Like E was – we were like being handheld. And we had the nicest producers and they really cared about us. And we would have meetings with the network. Like they'd be like, oh, the next episode might be tough for some of you guys. Why don't you come in? Like we would meet with – we were – so we were on E, but it was also an ITV production. So we had like two different, I guess, networks and executive teams that we're meeting with. We would see the things before. We'd have heart-to-hearts. We'd talk all at a round table like this about what bothered us, what we should improve. So we were – it was – and it was not like nasty, nasty, you know? Yeah. And they really cared and we were very in the loop. We had a million emails all the time. And so that was how I kind of thought all reality shows were. But it really was not – when I went to Netflix, Netflix, you know, they have so many shows. Yeah. And they get so many – so much exposure. But it is kind of just like, okay, we have – we have your – you're premiering this week. You have our emails this week. and we're going to air it. And then like, you kind of like, see you never. Wow. Really? You're just like sort of a cog in a machine. Yes. Because they have so much stuff and I think for them, they're more like content, content, content all the time. And they actually want you to binge and watch once and move on to the next thing. Yeah. It's not like a keep watching. They're not going to replay it and re-pump it up and re-hype it up. And it's hard like now to have the sort of impact that rich kids did. And I think at the time, like we didn't, you had to be there, right? You had to be there. If you know, you know. How many seasons was it? It was four seasons. And why did it end? Honestly, I don't – we were a little surprised. We thought we had one more season. You know, four seasons at that age, it did feel like, you know, what do we do? Like we all want to do other things. Move on. But we thought maybe we had one more season in us. And then at the end of four, they – to be honest, I think E was trying to figure out what they wanted. And they thought that they had this – so we were – when we were canceled, we actually were the second highest rated show. So we were right under the Kardashians. So weird. But they, I think, behind the scenes are just like, you know, you're kind of an expensive show. We were there for four years. So, you know, our salaries were getting a little higher. They banked on a couple other shows that were going to take off that, quote, they work for less. Got it. And they'll do more and work for less was kind of the quote that we heard. So, and I'm like, well, we're not those people, you know. But I always said that you can't hire kids that you're calling rich kids and then try to cheap them out or think they're going to be easy. A thousand percent. On Blink, too. They'd be like, okay, we're, like, doing this show about, like, billionaire wealthy Asians. And, like, but, like, we can't get you a water. And, like, we can't do this and we can't do that. And so it's, like, it didn't add up. Like, you can't hype us up and then try to bring us down also. You've got to take it all in how it is. It's, like, a unique thing because you guys didn't need to be on TV. I think a lot of times reality TV gets very good because the people who are on those shows are, like, a little desperate for or they really need the attention and the fame and all that comes with it and the money. and you guys are in an interesting position on most of the shows that you've been on where you guys don't really need to be on those shows. No, it was just fun for us. It was fun. We love to storytell. We love to go on the trips. Being on NBC was really fun because they like now it's like they have BravoCon but we used to have like NBCUniversal up front. So up front. And if you got chosen. Did you ever get chosen? Oh, every year. Every year we were there. Like it was always fun. You do the up front. You do the big shoots and all this stuff and we were doing like airline commercials and stuff like that. So it was fun to be part of the NBC Universal fam. And that group of people, you guys really were friends, like, and knew each other for many years before. Years and years, yeah. And after the show ended, I know you and Ezra, besties. Besties. EJ too. EJ, yes. How many, how much of the group, like, splintered off? Like, I know, like, Roxy does her own thing and, like, you and Morgan are always, like, interacting on social but not, like, best friends. What is the status? Johnny, like, what is the status of the group? Johnny, Johnny and I are, like, pen pals. Like, we love a little Gab. I haven't seen him. I haven't seen him for probably six years, six, seven years. But for my wedding, he sent me flowers. Oh, so sweet. We sent each other funny memes, stuff like that. We don't really see each other, but, you know, the connection's there. EJ just moved to New York. Oh. I ran into him at Bergdorf's a couple times. We catch up. We kiki. Roxy, I see here and there. You know, not as close. Because she lives in LA. She lives in LA. She has two children now. Right, right, right. Yeah. And were any of the rich kids of Beverly Hills at your wedding? No. Was that an intentional choice? Was it a small wedding? 155. So it's a medium. It's not huge. No, it's not. But it's not tiny, tiny. And I just think that, you know, when you have a wedding, wedding season, it's really it's a lot about like self-realization. Like who you want to be around, who's there for you. You know what I mean? The vibes, the people, who loves you, who also has a connection with Brandon. Like, you know, when you're merging, like who have we had dinner with, you know? And so I never felt, for me, even if it's certain family members, like I don't feel like you have to invite anyone. You know, it's also like, have you seen them in the last year? Have you gotten dinner? Did they say congratulations? You know, it's a lot of whoever was meant to be there. Right. It was so beautiful. Why Italy? We were looking and I don't know. It was probably going to either be France or Italy. And we ended up doing Italy and we just thought the food, the warmth. And it was just somewhere that, to be honest, we just like, we didn't want to have a really long engagement and we didn't want to like keep dragging it on so we were just like looking and looking and then we found we first went to like como and then we love florence and like we just loved being in florence and for the wedding we wanted it to be a fun trip for everyone too not just a wedding that's bang bang bang wedding stuff like we want a town for people to explore we want shops we want good food we want so we kind of crafted our wedding schedule first of all It was kind of crafted on me not being tired. That's my biggest fear. I hate being tired. I don't want to be tired and ugly and like a raisin on my wedding day. So we spread it out to where we had our welcome rehearsal dinner. So also I don't like when weddings have too many events. Interesting. Okay. I think short and sweet. Like kind of, you know when you're at a wedding and it's like, okay, these people again for the fourth day in a row. It's like a little much. So we had, we merged wedding, sorry, ceremony rehearsal dinner and welcome dinner on the first night. Okay. Two dinners is not necessary. Yes. You don't need a welcome and then a rehearsal. Agreed. We can do it together. And then that was like one big night. And then the Friday we had like kind of like pizzas and like kind of come and go as you please chill. But then we also arranged like museum tickets and tours and pasta classes. So that's kind of a chill day for people to rest. And then at night it was off. Anyone can do whatever they wanted. Also now a lot of our friends, you know, they're married, they have kids and they're away. They want to go on a date night. They want to relax. Like we want them to explore wherever we were going to be. So we had that night off. And then we convened again on Saturday for the big thing. And everyone was so rested. So then for the wedding, everyone was able to stay up until like 4 or 5 in the morning and like have the best time because we had that day off and no brunch. No. Oh, by the way. No. We need to be done with the post-wedding brunch. No. No. I agree. And what time do you make the brunch? When people are still 5, 6? No. And a lot of people leave the next day. No. Like it's just – I agree. And it's more fun to say bye to everyone when you're dressed up at night. Like the hungover brunch and then with the parents and the family. Oh, my God. The worst. Speaking of your parents, what do your parents make of your – like when you told them you were converted to Judaism, what was their reaction? They just said great. Oh, really? To them it also was not that foreign. Like I always had a lot of Jewish friends. Right. You know, so. It wasn't a big deal. We used to be – we're very – a lot of my – my dad has a partner who's Jewish, also his family. So they would also always joke that we're Junis. Right. And that, you know, we have so many similarities between the cultures. So it was not so foreign. Now that you're married, do you think your journey with reality TV is over or you're still open to perhaps a real housewife of New York? It's a different – it's just different now. I think that now you think about other things. And I always used to say like yes to everything. But now I have someone else to think of, think about. And he is very private. But he has recently opened up a little bit. He got his Instagram. He's been open to doing – we've been filming a little something. So he – you know. You're just more cautious. Just more cautious. And I think nowadays, like, I also, for me, it's like, and also for the certain shows I've been on, you can tell when I'm kind of, like, don't want to be there. And it is kind of miserable to be with people who, like, you don't really want to be around in forced situations. And especially forced situations where people are going to fight with you. Right. I think I finally have gotten over, like, the trauma and the PTSD of that. Because when you film a show. Do you have that from Rich Kids or from Bling and Her? Both. Yeah. Both. I think it's just a lot of attacking all the time. But that's just the nature of it. Like when you're on a show, the thing that's great about not being on a show is that you can just keep your opinions to yourself. Right. But you have many. I have many. But now it's like my flex is like I'm just going to keep it to myself. I know. But like I watched myself before. Sometimes clips come up and I'm like I can't believe I was just like rattling everything out. I couldn't even imagine doing that nowadays. I mean we were – I was 25 I think. That's young. Which is – for us also we were kids. I know people like they're 25. You could be married with kids. We were like Beverly Hills little kids. Like you're still kids. Like I was still I think living at my parents' house. Right. We were still very youthful, you know. So we – it was young and I mean we're just rattling things out. Now I watch all the young kids on TikTok. I'm like, yes, that was like me. Like just saying whatever comes to mind. I know. It's so scary. But now it's like I don't want to really offend people. Of course. I don't want, you know. So it's a different – I think you just mature and you just kind of think about what's more important or what's the message that's important to send out, you know. Well, so I mean – age like that show like was such an important part of our come up and when you see those clips because they're always being resurfaced like iconic things that you and morgan would say your little dual confessional so cute we know we were the first people we invented the double the double the double interview you and morgan yes i mean i don't they told us to do it obviously but we were the first to do it right that's such an interesting fun fact when you see those clips like does your butt cleanse or do you love it like it depends yeah it depends but i also think that I grew a lot as the seasons went on. Yeah. Because first season, you know, we're going in with literally like no hair extensions. The itemized bill. Itemized bill. Oh my God. But that was a real life thing, the itemized bill. Oh, it was. Though it happened. Did I only put one earring in? Oh, hopefully you didn't lose it. I don't know. That's a big earring, girl. Where are those earrings from? A gift from my mom a long time ago. Lovely. I know. We'll check the floor. Don't worry. Maybe I should put it on this ear since we were like camera facing. I don't think I put it on. That's the Dorothy Wayne way. I'll text Brandon. And I think I was probably in a rush because I had, you know. She had a glam emergency, you guys, before she got here. Glam emergency always. It just makes me feel young again, the glam emergency. I haven't had a glam emergency in a really long time. What was today's emergency? It just wasn't great, you know. Oh, okay. It was also rushed. Yeah, right. It's early morning. Yeah. It's the morning. But I also like a specific way. And it's like when you try a new person, I'm just going to do whatever. And then I'm like, uh-oh. And I'm trying to fix my eyebrows and stuff. Well, you look gorgeous. Thank you. Sorry. The itemized bill. Oh, itemized bill. It was a real thing. Okay. But the thing was that with that, I know there's so much like debate about like do you go to a dinner and itemize or not. I think the gracious thing to do is. Can you remind me what the storyline actually was? Okay. Was that you guys all went to a group dinner and somebody wanted to itemize the bill and you were upset. Off camera. No, no. It was actually opposite. So off. This was three years before. So Roxy and I actually went to USC together. We'd go to a lot of like we would go to spring breaks and stuff all in a big group. And Morgan actually, she didn't go to USC with us but she came. She was like a part of the group. She came with actually her now husband. Oh. And they were all there with us. And we all went to a sushi restaurant. And, you know, the vibes are just different. Me and this one other girl, we weren't feeling well. We didn't – we ordered one roll to share and we weren't drinking. And everyone else was like eight to – you know, when you're doing eight to ten shots, big dinner, whatever. So we had already said, like, you know, we're, like, just going to share one roll. We, like, made it kind of known. Like, we're tired. We're just going to share one roll. So then when the bill came, they were just like, you just have to pay it. and we're like, what? And then they like cornered me in the bathroom and they're like, your dad is so rich and you're just not gonna pay the bill. And like, it was just kind of like a little bit like disgusting to me. I don't know. Like, I think that obviously you don't want a nickel and dime every, like I had one piece of salad, whatever. Of course. You guys were at basically two different dinners. Yes, but the gracious thing to do is even at a dinner when I'm ordering more than I'm hungrier than other people, like I'll say, let me leave the tip because I ordered more or I'm drinking and you're not, I'm usually not drinking. So I think it's not – like you notice there's a difference. So why should two people – just because we're sitting there and they're like, you know, you have to just like pay everything and da-da-da-da-da. And it was just not – Do you not drink? I just don't drink so much anymore. Right, right. Back then, I usually was drinking, but that was like our off night. It was like a Sunday. Right. I think it was just like late and we were just not in the mood. That was so iconic. So then that was a real life thing. So then they knew that Roxy and I had this tiff about it. Right. And then – so then when we were there, they brought it up again. We went back to the same restaurant. Got it. And they brought it up again and they wanted us to like, you know, bring up the, you know, and it did. We were so drunk. And I think I cried. I think Morgan screamed. Like it was a whole thing. But like when that episode and that storyline was airing, like I was very much in my group dinner era. Yeah. We were talking about it all the time. But you just have to know, like I usually am like, yes, if you're at a group dinner, everyone's on the same vibe. But like, let's say someone's pregnant. They're not drinking. Yeah. I think the gracious thing to do for the people ordering more is to say you really didn't have a lot. You didn't drink. Like we'll leave the tip or don't worry about it. Or like just pay your share. No, you're so right. And we had already told the waiter, by the way. We told the waiter. That you wanted like a separate bill? We're having a separate bill. That's how it should have been. Yeah. That's seriously so funny. And it's not like I do it all the time. It was just like once in a while. But also I don't think anyone would look at you and say you're like a cheap person. Yeah, but just like cut me. Let me save when I can. Like literally. Like one meal off. I have one meal off. I remember when you said, you were like in your confessionals, you were like, rich people don't say rich by just paying for everybody. Like seriously, so iconic. No, but it's true. You gotta, yeah, I did say that. You did? Oh my God, I love that you were both of that. No, but I tell you like the cultural impact of rich kids does not get talked about enough, honestly. I feel like we were always everyone's side chick. Like everyone would like, we would have like A-list celebrities come to us like on the low and be like, oh my God, we love your show. I'm like, tweet about it. Yeah. But it was just kind of like, it was a guilty pleasure. Yeah, it was so good. No, total separate. What like wellness beauty things did you do before your wedding? Because you looked insane. Honestly not. When those photos dropped. I know. It was – but it really is just for me this like the healthier and the less I eat. Like it's just the inflammation goes away. Weight loss is a big – for me like five pounds, ten pounds makes a big difference. Huge. Huge. And what I'm eating, if I'm getting inflamed or not, I really didn't do that much honestly Because I also have been having my skin allergy issues and stuff like that. I know. You for a while have been posting about like the changes in your diet. Yes. And like you were having a lot of health issues. Yeah. So I also like when I was younger, I would have done everything, tried everything. Right. Now I think I'm more cautious and just like careful with my body and what I try. So I didn't do anything abnormal. I mean, what did I do? I think I did some Zoom whitening. I did go to Dr. Belkin and I got Softwave. What's that? But I did it kind of late. It's like a laser, like a tightening laser. It hurts. You have to do the laughing gas with it. Okay. No, but it's like a sting. I have, I hate lasers. I usually never even do lasers because it's like a slow torture. Like I can do an injection, like, okay, five, four, three, two, one, it's over. But a laser, it's like 30 minutes of like burning, burning, burning, burning. Stop. It's like too much. But I did do that. I was like, you know, it's a wedding. You have to do something. But I just really focused on my diet and eating small portions. And did you have a no social media rule? Because I didn't even know you had gotten married until the LP stopped. Yes. So we asked everyone to just hold. We wanted everyone to be saved because everyone was there. We also didn't want anyone to get robbed in their way or anything. So, you know, we brought so many – yes, we brought so many people there. We wanted them to be safe and wanted everyone to, you know, be able to leave Florence. And, you know, before it got out. I love that. The pictures were stunning. We loved the journey. And I'm so excited because while you are a very interesting woman, you also have amazing opinions on other people. 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And then more details came out that actually Rick Hilton was home. And now we're learning that Rick Hilton actually blasted his shotgun at the burglars during the break-in. So Kathy Hilton is breaking her silence about the terrifying moment that her husband, Rick, was grabbing a shotgun. He confronted the three burglars. They smashed their way into their swanky LA home while she was away at BravoCon. He was home and she said he got his shotgun out, boom. And he said, get the fuck out of here. The police are on their way. Can you believe? Yeah. I was actually in LA and I was in the neighborhood when that happened and I heard something. Oh, you're kidding. And I like ran to my family room and I was like, oh my God, I heard something. You heard like a gunshot? I didn't know what it was. I thought it was a loud door slamming. I didn't know what it was. Like I was, as I was in LA and I, you know, was in the neighborhood, I heard. Oh my God. But I also drove past their house at a certain point that night. I was like, oh, their light's on. I remember noting like, oh, their light's on, like security decoy. Right, that's what people do. Yes. Oh my God. This is just me learning that Rick Hilton is a gun owner. I know. And quick. Quick. And you used a little old. I know. No, no, no. But also like the thing about the gun in the house, I just wondered, it's like, what if, do you have to put a gun in every room? I know. What if you're downstairs and the gun is upstairs? Yes, exactly. Then you have to run upstairs or run downstairs. I know. And I also feel like a lot of times people get a gun for safety, but when something actually happens, they forget about it or they freak out. Or it's so locked away. So Rick was moving quick. You don't often hear about somebody effectively using their gun for protection. Yes, yes. And that they actually left. Right. Because they worked. Because LA is just so sad right now. I know. It's so – and honestly, when people from all around the world are flying to L.A. specifically to Target and rob, you know that there is a hole in the system. It's so true. It's a weak link. Like people are flying from all over the world to rob. Yes, because it's so easy. Right. And the police times – it takes like 20 minutes for the police to get there. Oh, God. Yeah. I had a friend who was getting married actually. And during her wedding, her like Nest Cam went off. They saw robbers. And they're like screaming at the robbers through the intercom. Through the camera. We can see you. We're taking screenshots. The police are coming. and they looked in the camera and said, the police, you live in LA, the police won't get here for 20 minutes and we'll be out in 12. And they just continued on their way. Oh, they didn't even care. They didn't even care. Oh my God. And it's just, I think it's just so easy. It's so bad. It's so bad. And then also when you're a public figure and your schedule's like very public, they know Kathy Hilton's not home. I know. But they didn't count on Mr. Rick. Mr. Rick. Being home with his gun. With his shotgun. I find like now like. And he shot it in the office air. I saw that. Rick Hilton is like hot to me now. Like he protected his home. Like as a man should. As a man's job. I know, but it would be a shotgun. Yeah, it's like a hundred years old. It's like literally like a, what do they call it? Like a musket? Yes, a musket like twirling in her. Well, I'm glad everyone's okay. That's like such a crazy story. Bravo should like just have security for everyone when they leave. I know. It's so insane that this is sort of just like a rite of passage as like either like a wealthy person who lives in LA or a celebrity. Like so many housewives. Kyle. Yes. In that group, and specifically, Kyle Dorit, Kathy, I think Teddy, her home, even though her husband works in security. Even Farrah, Kyle's daughter. Insane. Yeah. Have you ever been robbed? Knock on wood, no. Knock on wood, knock on wood, knock on wood, no. Fight your tongue, fight your tongue. Oh, you're so Jewish now. Okay, next story. Miley Cyrus is engaged. And it's just weird. Like, I don't care. She's newly engaged. She flashed her shiny new ring while gushing about her fiance, Max Miranda. So she went on Good Morning America yesterday, spilled the tea. Oh, she was? Yeah, she said, I'm usually a total control freak. But she surrendered to her relationship and she was really blindsided by the proposal. She said everything in her life has lined up perfectly from dropping her new song and then her upcoming, you know, whatever. And now getting engaged, she feels like she's really just everything coming up Miley. Oh. I don't know this man. No. And he has really crazy hair. There's one photo of them on a red carpet and they have like matching hair. Yes, yes, yes. And it's not how I saw Miley's journey ending, but I'm here for Miley's happiness. I know. Is she – is he like a singer, an instrumentalist? What does he do? Okay. That's a great question. We don't know anything about him. I think he's like in the music industry. I feel like she is such an individual that it is hard for her to partner or like want to be – And she's working. Yeah. And she's such a good performer. I feel that it may be hard, you know, to be like, okay, why don't you come with me? Also scarred from her last – And even though like – But good songs came from that. So good. And that was like – for me, that was like my Miley era. Yes. Like her and Liam. We know now how terrible and how toxic it was. But like at the time – I know. She had – yeah. But that's maybe why she went in such a different direction. So he's a drummer. Okay. For her or another band. So he's in a L.A. bass band called Lily, which I, of course, have not heard of. But their band participated in NBC's Miley's New Year's Eve. Remember when she did that? Like Miami's – Yeah, I think I had a friend who managed that band actually. He wasn't doing a very good job. I'm kidding. Well, they met in 2022 when she – He laughed at that one. When they did Miley's New Year's Eve party in Miami. So I guess that's when they met. Oh. That's cute. I'm happy for her. Like I – She does – she's – you know, she's – we love her. We do. At our house in the Yankiewicz household. Do you? Brandon's like, you know, she's just so talented. She's a real talent. I feel like Brandon doesn't say anything mean about anyone. No, there's – no, no, no. He has opinions. Oh, he does. He does. He won't like air the mountain about – but he just has opinions. And he'll just – she thinks that he's like – she's like a good girl. She works really hard. She's super talented. Like great to watch. Do you think your husband has made you softer? Yes, I think so. I think so too. In a good way. I think he has. And also like the thing I always tell Brandon is like he doesn't like the sassy. So I've kind of like I'm not as sassy anymore. Well, we miss it. But maybe you don't want to be sassy. I don't know. No, I think that's also like a part of growing up. I find that also. Like everything out of my mouth used to just be like snarky. Yes. And it was like everything needed to be a zinger. But now I'm like, I can just let the other party relax. Right, right. And I can relax too. And it's just like so much more calm that way. Yes. Look at us progressing and maturing. And it's not like a great time for this story because I do have something snarky to say. Okay. And that's only because it's about Prince Harry, who's probably my least favorite person on the planet. And I would actually love your take. We had high hopes for Prince Harry. So before I get into the story, what is your take on Meghan Harry and like the internet's obsession with them? Are they obsessed with them? In a negative way. I feel like they're being pushed on us in a way that I don't know. Like I don't know anyone that still cares. And I just think that their hook on us is that they're part of the royal family, right? And every day that goes past that they've left the royal family, I feel like we're less and less interested. Right. And I just – I don't like that they – I don't know. First of all, you decide to join a family, the most public family in the world, and then you just like – you kind of have to know what you're getting into. But she did not. You're going to rip it apart. But did she really not know what she was getting into? So this is like my whole thesis in the toasters. I'm sorry for repeating myself again. But like there's a lot of speculation about what went down during her time in the family. And I feel like based on what I know from their retelling of the story in their documentary on Netflix, but also just like being a discerning, you know, commentator on culture. I do really feel like she had no idea. And she didn't know how difficult it would be. She thought it would be kind of fun. And I think that he is to blame for her experience. I think they collectively blame other members of the family when in reality, like it was on Harry to get her a teacher. It was on Harry to get her a stylist. It was on Emily Post. Like he did none of that for her. And in the documentary they were like, and the family didn't prepare me. It's like he's the thing. Like he's born into this. And he's your husband. He knows. He knows how it's supposed to go. He's seen how Kate's done it. He's seen what happened to his mother. Yes. So I like so blame Harry. And I think she receives a lot of the hate in like the States for what should be hate towards him. Like I'm pro hating Harry. I'm pretty ambivalent on Meghan. I do think people are really hard on her, but I also think like she has no clue that like how people really feel about her. She really needs to like take a step back, but I think they need the money. I think they need the money. I think she's beautiful. I will give her that. But I am always a little, I don't know, sketched out about someone that never had an Instagram. Like she had bigger plans for herself. Like she was playing that card. So she did have an Instagram for her blog, the Tig, right? Oh, okay. But she didn't have, you're right, like a personal. But for her to say she didn't even know who he was. Oh, please. Yeah, that's a lie. Of course. That's a little lie. But I also don't like that they talk. They want to leave. They don't want to. It seems like they want all the perks of being associated. Now she's like wants everyone to call her by the title. The title thing. I mean, now it's like I think she knows that that's her thing. And that's the only thing that people are interested in. And so she has to. But I feel like she's just using it to their benefit. And so the reason why I chose this story is because a lot of the times like, you know, They are – I don't even know what tier of celebrity I would include them in. I often compare them to the Obamas because they're like political – like politicians. I don't know what they are. But I often find them doing things now that like people at their level should never do. And Harry made a TikTok, like a lip syncing TikTok with Stephen Colbert. Like he went on the Colbert show, which is kind of crazy. But they're just – that's what they do now. They're just like sort of regular celebrities. Yeah. So I don't think it's so crazy that he went on the Colbert show. But they did a lip sync. And I was like – What was the show? What's the song? It was not a song. It was like a clip from the Great British Bake Off. Oh, I love that show. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's like a viral sound from it. And so it's just two people talking and giving a joke. And it's Stephen and Harry. And it's quite shocking because there's something really degrading. Times are tough. Yeah. Times are tough for Prince Harry and Montecito. But I also see a lot of blind items about how moochie they are. Oh, on other people. Yes. I hear that too. And I actually can see that. And they overstayed their welcome. They always try to get on the plane. They try to get on the boats. They try to stay in the guest houses. In terms of like the LA neighborhoods, explain to me Montecito. But Montecito is in Santa Barbara, so it's very far. It's like a four-hour drive from Los Angeles. Is a fair comparison like the Hamptons almost? I don't know. Montecito and Santa Barbara I feel like have been having like a big moment, but it's not like people go for the weekend. I guess they do kind of go for the weekend. Do people mostly live there or it's more like second homes? Live there. Or they'll go and like visit for maybe go to the Rosewood. I guess people do go, but it is far. It's not like the Hamptons. But also people in New York have a different type of just like gusts for life that they'll drive for hours. In LA people, like in New York everyone's down for everything. Like they're down for the journey to get to the destination. In LA everyone's like, I'm just going to stay home this weekend. That's so funny. It's very rare. Do you like living in New York? I love it. You do? Yes, I love it. You think you're here forever? I think so. Yeah. I mean for the – definitely for the near future at least. But it was so refreshing to come – especially when I came I was single. Right. And so people like to do things here. which is very different than LA. And I always say in LA, I would maybe see my best friends like at most like once every two weeks. Oh, wow. Here you see everyone like four times a week, four times a day even. Everyone's always doing stuff. In LA, everything's so separate. But now even when I go back to LA, I'm like eating dinner at home. When you don't, when you're not used to like circuiting and doing a lot, every small thing seems like so much. And then you stop going out at all. Yeah, I think also in LA, like people have everything in their houses, right? Like I don't need to go to the gym. I have a little gym here. Cipriani is so house. Like I actually went to LA a couple weeks ago when BravoCon was happening and had like a nice like hang with my friends. Like I wanted to do cozy hangs. No one does cozy hangs in New York. Because you're like, why don't you come over and watch a movie? And then everyone's like, let's go to Cipriani. No one ever hangs in a house. No, they don't. So there like I had a sound bath and we did, we ordered in goop. We watched movies. We had like cozy nights. It just felt like it was like kind of what I needed after the wedding. Do you think you'll stay in the city? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I think we're city people. Is your husband from the city? He's from Long Island. He was born in Queens and then moved to Long Island when he was younger. A real tri-state man. Since college, I think he's been in the city. So Harry went on Stephen Colbert. They made like – I heard he got booed by the audience because like he made a joke about Trump. And then they made this TikTok. And like honestly – Can we watch it? Yeah. Do you have it synced up? I think it aired last night. And like nobody's talking about the interview. They're just talking about the TikTok. Or at least I am because to me it's a recession indicator. Yes. I was going to say times are tough. Dark times are tough. Yes. Just when you think that there's something that they won't do. Because they really did leave. They did save for privacy. But I think we learned after that really wasn't a priority. No. It was just like getting away. But like every time they announced something, like her doing a podcast, two podcasts. I know. Like I'm sorry. That's insane. Yeah. But at one point I had the same job as the Duchess. Like it's insane. Yeah. But the podcast didn't get renewed, right? The Spotify one. No. So she had two. She had a Spotify one called Archetypes that like stopped in the middle. Okay. And then like a couple of years later, she was like, I'm bringing it back. Confessions of a Female Founder. Okay. Which is like about women in business. Okay. And they did like four episodes on Zoom and then did not do a second season. That's interesting. No, no. Like her whole thing is like announcing big projects and stopping. Him too. Because he had a three book deal and he only did one. I don't think he has that much more to say. I thought the same. I don't think it's – the lights are not, you know, that bright. Right. I'm so excited about this story because I'm dying to hear your take on everyone's new face from Stephen Levine. Oh, my God. Dr. Stephen Levine. So apparently he was at Kris Jenner's birthday party and everyone wanted to talk to him. I heard he has like a four-year wait list and a face costs $250,000. Well, Kris Jenner's talking more openly about her face stuff and she says that her nose is probably the only real thing on her face. That's not true. I know. She's saying – Like the remnants of her nose. I guess. So Kris Jenner – what did you say? It looks like the nose has been worked on. It does. A little bit, no. It does. But maybe with the face – maybe it's filler. So on the new episode of Kardashians, she's spending time in Paris with Kim. So Kris then joked that her nose is probably the only thing on her face that's real. Reality star admitted to undergoing a facelift by Dr. Stephen Levine ahead of her 70th birthday. And then in reply, Kim claims that her teeth are real amid the celebrity veneer craze. What's your thoughts on veneers? I've always wanted veneers and I get scared. Do you not have? Smile. You have beautiful teeth. They could be a little bit. Veneers is just like it's always, you know, they're always on. It has potential. Here's the thing. In LA, someone said to me, well, you're moving to New York. Now you don't need veneers. It's different. In LA, like everyone has veneers and everyone is like, you know. But I just, I also as much as vain as I am, I always, I'm very like practical and I'm like a little scared. I always try to err on the side of caution. Like with veneers, you don't know how they're going to react. And if you shave down your teeth, there's no going back. Exactly. And what if like the trends change and veneers aren't cool anymore? And I like to eat. Like what if, like I hear like if you have veneers, you can only chew a certain way. Sometimes it does on the line. You just don't know. It's just very risky. I like the look of veneers. I would love to just, you know, know for sure my teeth are going to be glowing and – Forever. Out like that forever. But it kind of scares me. Yeah. And the gums. Jackie's always saying, like, we will never be truly, like, successful celebrities because we have our real teeth. That's – no. I always – you can tell someone's commitment to fame if they get veneers. It's true. There are indicators of who really is going to do everything to make it, and it's the veneer girls. And some people, like, have good veneers. Some. Yes. I would say overwhelmingly, I can tell pretty much every person who has veneers. I can tell, and they're huge, and it becomes their whole mouth. I mean, Miley. Yes. I feel like Miley's teeth are a cautionary tale. I know. They pop out of her mouth, and everyone talks about it. It's like the first thing they say about her, and she's like a beautiful young woman. Yes. I feel like- But she always had a little, like, I don't know. She had a snaggle tooth on Hannah Montana. I feel like she's always wearing, like, a flipper. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? Yes, 1,000. Very John Bonet. Like a little- Yeah. I don't know like who to blame for the veneer craze, but I do feel like it's really gone too far. But I think now we all live in what looks good in a picture. Everyone's getting their bodies to what looks good in a picture. But what looks good in a picture always looks so intense in real life. What do you think of Dr. Stephen Levine? Like in his work, Lindsay Lohan to be more. You know what? I am so happy that he's young. So by the time we need facelifts, he's still going to be in the prime of his game. He's not going to be like 80 years old. I love that. I know. So I'm dying to meet him. Are you pro facelift? like what's your why not but i also i hear that also facelifts are before the wedding i went to like every doctor that you like dr diamond doctor like all over the one was like do i need a facelift like and they all did the little testing and they said they said i would get a 10 percent um increase of whatever my aesthetics yeah 10 as they said is not enough like they want that number to get to 30 40 then we can talk so they said maybe in a couple years or whatever but i want i was like what do i need to do before the wedding i was thinking upper bluff i was thinking facelift. I was thinking, I almost got a lip lift. It's also funny because when I'm in LA, I'm like, I'm going to get a lip lift and I leave. And I'm like, nope, I'm not going to do it. So actually I did a lip lift. You did? Yours looks natural. Is it a lip lift? Lip flip. Oh, lip flip. Botox. What's a lip lift? Oh, that's when they literally cut it and they sew it and it goes like. Oh, you know what? Sometimes I see people whose like noses and like mustaches are like connected. The problem is you can, there's always a scar. Yeah. There's always a scar. And if you already have a nose job or whatever scars on your face and it's okay but like to kind of put a scar right here is kind of not good what doctor because i feel like there's always like a doctor of the moment like dr orion remember like when the kardashians were obsessed with him yes and dr stephen levine is the doctor of the doctor he's a but you have to go to different doctors or different things so right so kylie also posted her doctor for her boobs who i forget who it was i think it started with an m i don't remember somebody was like kylie please let us know what you did to your boobs they look amazing and she was like here's what i asked for here's what i Under the muscle. Right, under the muscle. Yes. They are embracing this like new era of transparency because I think for so many years they've gotten really criticized about like the beauty standard and what they're doing for women and just to be open about it. And they've decided like a year ago that they're going to start talking about it, which I love. Yes. But I don't like require it, you know? Like if you want to share it with me, great. If not, how you look has no – Because I also feel like a lot of people, they're very open about it personally amongst friends. Yes. But publicly you can't really go on a red carpet and say I did this and this and this. but you're open with your friends, you know? Yeah, so I guess what Kris Jenner's saying is like she's been nipped and tucked in every way. They did like this TikTok Live last night, which recession indicator that Kardashian's doing a TikTok Live. When I saw the clip of Kim being like, oh, and you can buy this four pack for $15. I was shook. I was like, how much is she getting? Is she getting equity in TikTok? And then I was scrolling TikTok. Well, no, TikTok streaming is just huge right now. Yeah. And then I was scrolling TikTok last night and it came up for me and Khloe was on it. And let me tell you, I was fucking cackling. She was being so funny. I was actually really enjoying it. She did a live where she was like, selling something it was like a live it was like a qvc okay so kim was there chloe was there chris was there kyle was there kathy hilton stopped by nick from love island was there like it was just insane um but i actually watched it snoop dog yes i watched it and i actually really enjoyed it really it was funny and then they started selling and i was like out yeah um because i do wear a ton of skims but i just buy them on the website yeah um where's i going with this oh her nose so she She says that her nose is like the only thing on her face that isn't touched. And I just feel like why would that be the case? I feel like the nose job is like kind of a gateway drug to more plastic surgery. I feel like that – I'm just going to – I feel like that nose has been touched. Yeah. Or maybe just like it's a mirage because everything else has been. Or maybe it's like the most untouched. Yeah. Like there is still some, like I said, remnants of the old nose there. It's also just interesting that they're like opening up so much and they really will not tell us about their asses. That's like the one thing they'll never admit to. No. That is true. We'll talk about everything. But that – and it's like, girl, we know. But I'm all for a facelift. But they also say like – I went to a doctor in LA and they said, you know, there's a certain age – there's a certain age to where fillers and Botox work for you. Okay. Because it's like heavy. But once you get to a certain age, you can't do the filler anymore and you just have to lift up. It's not about filling out. It's about lifting up. Right. Like you can't fill out skin that's going down. Going down. That's right. You know, but I mean, now with technology, we're going to all look amazing until we're. What city, because you travel a lot, what city do you think is the best like beauty? Do you do any Korean beauty? Like where do you go? I did go to Seoul. But you have to, when you go to a doctor, it's important that you have the same aesthetic as they do. I say that about every doctor. Like when I tell friends like where they should go do this and that, you have to have the same vision. Because if you think looks good on you, it's different than what they want to do to you. That's not good. So when I went to Korea, it was actually very interesting. So they asked me, the first thing that this doctor asked me was, do you want to look youthful or do you want to look snatched? So it's two different things. So in Korea, if you notice, everyone's like soft and round. Yes. Like even the tiny, tiny girls, it's not chiseled. Right. So it's like one or the other. But it's different beauty standards too. So there everything's a little bit rounder and fuller. So sometimes it's like a little, I didn't do the salmon sperm facial because I was scared because it hurt too much. But I did do some like little like collagen drops. Right, right, right. That's sick. Honestly, I would go. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by BetterHelp. BetterHelp is helping us rewrite traditions this holiday season because therapy can give you the space to create new meaningful traditions that provide clarity amid the holiday chaos. So, of course, the holidays are a time for traditions. A lot of people have, you know, a bunch in their families. Some have none. Some are just beginning their own. Well, now's the time to reflect on what those mean to you and rewrite those traditions and make your own. 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Well, and what do you make of her relationship? I think it's cute. I think it's nice that she found love and I think it's good for him. I think it's good for their brands. I think, you know. Totally. You're a big Swifty. I am a big 50 and I'm a big fan of this relationship. So anytime they give us like a drop of detail, like I have to talk about it. I mean, they're always out in New York. They are. Oh, and it's such a great way to like find out like what's cool. Because they're always good. They go to Chez Margot. Yes. What do you think is like the spa right now? Once I was at Chez Margot and whenever we go, we're members. So whenever we go, we like give our friends tours. One night we're like trying to open to give our friend a tour. And the security came. I was like, you can't go in there. And I was like, why? Like we always go in there. Like not tonight. And I was like, it's so weird because it's a members club. We should have access to everything. It was a private event. And then when we left, we saw the Swifties outside with like, you know, things to sign and photos and stuff. And we're like, oh my God, it was Taylor Swift inside. That's very cool. But it's very interesting because I would think that if I was them and I was going to a members club, then I would like want to be like out with everyone. Because members club is already pre-edited. Like if you want to really just be alone, then why not just stay home? Yeah. It's like a good group of people. That's a good point. Like I feel like a members club should be a safe space to go. Like why go to a members club and block off air? You could just go to any restaurant and block it. And they pretty much exclusively, when they're in New York, go to members clubs. They were recently at Zero Bond, Costa Cipriani. Yes. That's a good point. They sometimes go to that place. What's it called? Mizuna? Wait, it's in meatpacking. Almost like, it's like close to the Gansevoi. I forget what it's called. I'm a grandma and I don't leave the house anymore. So I don't know the cool spots. He is like an investor in that restaurant. Oh, very cool. Well, in addition to being a football player. Yes. So he shared. He had a show on E! before. Of course. Oh, wait. Chasing love or growing love. Catch Kelsey. Catching Kelsey. What? is the timeline were you on the air at E at the same time as him yes because I remember going in and like the people that the executives have worked at E they were like oh my god he's like so cute and real like they were like gushing over him so charming so cute so tall because we're like who's this guy he was a real nobody and it was like such a random show at the time because it wasn't like catching Tom Brady it was crazy he got that show at that time I know I feel like they literally just asked a football player and he just showed up like yeah he was a good player He wasn't famous. He wasn't like Tom Brady. He maybe had an agent or maybe he always wanted a little extracurricular something. Yes. He's always had a big personality. Yeah. That show is so good. I didn't watch it, but they were – I recently re-watched a couple episodes. Really? It's so good. And the brother's on it. Jason. Oh, really? Yeah. Well, so Travis Kelsey has shared that he asked the Kansas City Chiefs to not play Taylor Swift songs at the games that she is at. She's shy, girly. Yeah, I think it's also just like awkward. He's saying that he's like, it's been attributing to him being like a real team player and like not wanting to make it about him and it's about the team. I feel like it's also like toxic NFL fans like would boo if like Shake It Off came on. But her music is very like family friendly. I feel like it does get played at those stadiums. Like they should naturally play it. Maybe not all the time, maybe not panned to her, but if it's already on the playlist, like they should play it. Going out of your way. So do you listen to any Taylor Swift? If it happens to come on, but I don't like search it. What do you listen to? Who's your number one Spotify wrapped? I don't even look – I'm a weirdo. Like now that I don't drive, I don't listen to music. Oh, that's so true. Like I used to just listen to music in the car. I don't even know – I don't even think I've downloaded anything on Spotify. I'll like look up little podcasts here and there. I was going to say, do you listen to any podcasts? I listen to you and Tinks. Of course. Such good taste. That's all I have time for in my agenda. The top two girlies. Love that. But you know, really, that's it. Now, was Justin – because Justin was here yesterday. I know you and Justin are really good friends. Was Justin at all on Rich Kids? He was a producer. Oh, you're kidding. I met Justin. I remember the text. Farrah texted me when we were like 24 years old and was like, oh my God, my mom has this cute new assistant. He's so fun. Like, come over. His name's Justin. I want you to meet him. Like, we're so excited for this assistant. That's so funny. And he was a ladiesitter. And then we all met. And then as time went on, he was just our friend. And then we had a position on Rich Kids as a talent producer. and he's very good with talent, getting us on time, getting them, talking us down when we need to. He's our friend. We did. It's so funny. I didn't know that. So he was a talent producer for us. And then he had, and then one day he was like at E! And then all of a sudden he's like on E! News and then he's doing Rick Carpenter. And he's like, you know, but he was. Well, he's a real hustler. Yes, he's a real hustler. He was writing a book. You know, he just has a lot of talents. He's very charismatic. And he really is like, like, it's really like, you know, if you are that type of person and you're like, put that out in the universe, you really can achieve and get to wherever you want. Like now he's literally like talking to Oprah on the Today Show. It's crazy. Hoda said that Justin is her choice to replace her. I'm seeing him after this. I know. He was here yesterday. He told me. I love him. That whole like generation of like rich kids and how you all went on to like really just grow up so nicely. Like it's been a real treasure to watch. We're not like the Disney kids. No, right. Like nobody like spun out or went. Everybody like still is fabulous and doing their own thing. and yeah, there's no like tragedy there. Knock on wood, you know? Knock on wood. Right. Okay, and now tell me what you're watching. Like what TV shows are you obsessed with right now? So right now we've been watching The Beast and Me. Have you watched Claire Danes? I haven't. I like these little thrillery type shows. Do you read books? I used to. I used to. Before the wedding I did and then when wedding came up I was just so busy there was no time and I haven't gotten back into it. Yeah, because that show looks like one of those classic like thriller, psychological thriller books. Yes, yes. And you liked it? Like Girl the Trains. Right, exactly. I like the like limited series, I think. Because I think sometimes when it gets to season two, season three, Brandon loves sci-fi, which is like, no, I can't. I can't. And he loves it so much. He wants me to go to these movies with him. And we've been watching Pluribus, which is kind of okay for sci-fi. What the hell is that? You know what Pluribus is? Am I even saying it right? Pluribus? Pluribus. I was just laughing at her reaction. What the hell is that? The sci-fi three-body problems, like all these sci-fi things. Because I'm really excited to watch Kimora back in the Fab Lane. Okay. So glad that she is back on TV. Because Kimora was my everything. Really? Being a sassy Chinese girl living in the USA, I was like, this is my icon. Oh, my God. Did you, on Rich Kids, take a trip to China? Yes. And you went to the mall? Yes. Oh, my God. And we turned on the lights. Did you ever meet people in China who were familiar with the show? E didn't stream in China. Got it. So E is usually just within the U.S. But it did air in like the UK and France and stuff like that, but not in China. So when you were just like rolling through this Chinese mall with a big camera crew. They were just like, oh, like Chairman's Daughters filming a show. Oh, right. Chairman's Daughters. Yeah, it was just like Chairman's Daughters doing something. Wait, what do you make of Becca Bloom? I like Becca. You do? We know each other. Oh, we've met once. Like from like the Chinese community or from like the Instagram or social media? No, our parents don't know each other, but I met her at Oscar de la Renta they had at the Save Venice Gala. We sat next to each other. So she's very sweet. Yeah. Was she with her man? Her man was not there. He was like at the cocktail, but then took a call and wasn't at the dinner. So it was a call. Yeah. There's always a call. He was on a call to Amazon, she said. But she's sweet. But she also in person, though, she's a little bit more chill. Like I remember she said, brah. And I was like, oh. She said what? Brah. Like not like, you know what I mean? That's crazy that she said brah. She was like, oh my God, brah. Because she's from NorCal. Wow. That's shocking. Yes. That's the most shocking thing you said here today. So she says bra. I was kind of shocked too. And she was like, damn. Like it was like she was – but she was like cool. You know? Like she was chill. She was fun. What does your husband do for a living? He's an attorney. Oh, okay. Attorney at law. Wayne Yankovitz. I love it. Yankovitz Law Firm. Yankovitz Law Firm. Okay. What kind of law? Personal injury, a mass tort. So is he like kind of a real stickler about following the law? Oh, yeah. Like the speed limit? Yeah. Oh, my God. He goes under this. I always joke with him about like that he's going to get a ticket for going under the So slow. It's so, so, so safe. But he gets all these – he sees so many terrible cases that come through because people are, you know, speeding. And so he's very by the law. I feel that. What about, like, jaywalking? Will he jaywalk? Jaywalking. No, he just always wants everyone to be safe. So he's, like, the dad when we're all walking. He's, like, blocking traffic. Like, you know the men that walk on the side of the traffic? The curb, yeah. Yes. I love that. He's very sweet. I've loved chatting with you. You are just a doll. I love this. Hopefully this is not your last time on the toast. No, I would love it. I mean, I'm just around the corner. I know. I feel like I'm taking – well, I've been in like a cave for a year. Yeah. But I'm starting to emerge. Yeah. Like I'm actually going out next weekend. Yeah. So – I run into your husband sometimes, Allie. My husband is so social. We're like, let's do dinner. We should do dinner, but my husband is so social. Or pickleball. Pickleball. Brandon loves pickleball. Does he? Ben and I – well, I haven't played in a little while, but Ben and I love pickleball. We're actually members of a members pickleball club. Just pickleball? Yes. Oh, my God. There's no tennis. They don't want to mix it. It's just pickleball. it's in the city it's in Hell's Kitchen it's at the Glass House okay and so actually the owners of the Glass House are big pickleball players and they like don't like that it's like pickleball in tennis so they just are like we're gonna open just a pickleball club on one full floor but that's so funny we'll go one day I would love that that'd be fun guys thank you so much for listening to the Toast the Millennium Morning Show where we deliver the fast I'm sorry it's at you every Monday through Friday on YouTube so if you're watching us on YouTube please feel free to subscribe and give us a video a thumbs up we're also available as a podcast anywhere podcasts can be found That's Spotify, iTunes, Stitcher, Public Video, iHeartRadio, CastBox, all the places. Whether you listen to podcasts, find us to toast, leave you a five-star review about a beautiful, stunning, and wickedly talented we are. There's no teleprompter. No, there's no teleprompter. 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