--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Welcome to Today Explained. I'm Sean Rameswaram.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Today, we're talking about lies about disaster relief. They're spreading like never before this hurricane season, and it's making FEMA's job harder. Juliette Kayyem is an expert on disaster preparedness and response. She's the author of The Devil Never Sleeps: Learning to Live in an Age of Disasters.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: That's right. And I think it's really important to understand that misinformation and disinformation are not new to disasters, but they're certainly more prevalent now.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Let's start with the basics. What's the difference between misinformation and disinformation?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Misinformation is when people spread false information, often unintentionally. Disinformation, on the other hand, is when people spread false information on purpose, often to deceive or manipulate others.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And we're seeing a lot of both right now, especially on social media.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Yes, that's right. And it's making it really hard for people to get accurate information about what's happening and what they need to do.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Let's talk about some specific examples. There's been a rumor going around that FEMA is seizing people's homes and assets if they don't pay back disaster relief funds.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: That's completely false. FEMA does have a program to buy homes from people who want to sell them, but it's a voluntary program. And it's not related to disaster relief funds.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what about the rumor that the federal government is only giving $750 to people affected by the hurricane?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: That's also false. The initial $750 is just the first step in disaster relief. There are many other funds available to help people recover.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And who's spreading these rumors?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Well, it's a combination of people. Some are just spreading misinformation because they don't know any better. Others are spreading disinformation on purpose to deceive or manipulate people.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what about the role of social media in all of this?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Social media is making it really easy for misinformation and disinformation to spread quickly. And it's not just individuals who are spreading it. Some politicians and celebrities are also using their platforms to spread false information.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what can people do to protect themselves from all of this?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Well, first of all, people need to be skeptical of information they see online. They should fact-check it and verify it before they share it or believe it. And they should also be careful about who they trust for information. They should go to reputable sources, like government websites or news organizations.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what about the role of government in all of this? Shouldn't they be doing more to stop the spread of misinformation and disinformation?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Well, the government is trying to do more. They're working with social media companies to take down false information and they're also trying to get accurate information out to people. But it's a tough job. And it's not just the government's responsibility. Individuals need to take responsibility for themselves and be careful about the information they consume.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Thanks for having me.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Today Explained, Sean Rameswaram for him. We got Juliette Kayyem on the show today.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: She worked in the Department of Homeland Security back when Obama was president.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: That's right.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And she's the author of a book on disaster preparedness.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: That's right.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So we asked her to help us understand how BS became one of the biggest hurdles this hurricane season.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Misinformation is not uncommon in disasters. They come on fast. People see things that don't end up being true.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what about the role of social media in all of this?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Social media is making it really easy for misinformation and disinformation to spread quickly.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what can people do to protect themselves from all of this?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Well, first of all, people need to be skeptical of information they see online.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what about the role of government in all of this? Shouldn't they be doing more to stop the spread of misinformation and disinformation?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Well, the government is trying to do more. They're working with social media companies to take down false information and they're also trying to get accurate information out to people.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Juliette Kayyem, thanks for joining me today.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Thanks for having me.
--:-- Lily Kanep: I'm Lily Kanep. I'm the senior regional reporter at Blue Ridge Public Radio.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: At our studios, it's been pretty chaotic throughout Hurricane Helene.
--:-- Lily Kanep: Yeah, it has.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what about the role of social media in all of this?
--:-- Lily Kanep: Social media is making it really easy for misinformation and disinformation to spread quickly.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what can people do to protect themselves from all of this?
--:-- Lily Kanep: Well, first of all, people need to be skeptical of information they see online.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what about the role of government in all of this? Shouldn't they be doing more to stop the spread of misinformation and disinformation?
--:-- Lily Kanep: Well, the government is trying to do more. They're working with social media companies to take down false information and they're also trying to get accurate information out to people.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Lily Kanep, thanks for joining me today.
--:-- Lily Kanep: Thanks for having me.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: This morning, Today Explained reached out to Sumi Somaskanda. She's a BBC reporter who's currently covering Milton just outside Miami.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: We know misinformation, disinformation, that has been a big theme in this storm, particularly in the wake of Hurricane Helene and the politicization of the hurricane response efforts that we've been seeing.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And I spoke with Tampa Bay City Councilman Bill Carlson, and I asked him about this.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And he said they had encountered in Tampa rumors and swirling misinformation, but he felt that government had been able to get ahead of it.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And I asked him specifically about FEMA and whether there is mistrust of the Federal Emergency Management Agency in particular.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And he told me that people were eager to get help, but he did say that many people were rejected by FEMA after Hurricane Helene, that they had put in claims that those claims were not accepted.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So in other words, he also said FEMA has to get in and explain what is needed.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And when I pressed him on that, he said, let's see if they get in quickly after the storm.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: A lot of the focus has rightly been on FEMA.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So he asked Juliette Kayyem how she thought the agency was doing.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Yeah, so it's FEMA is doing much better than when people remember it in 2005 and Hurricane Katrina because it it learned its lesson.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: So people will remember it. It failed miserably. We'll admit it failed miserably. Its leadership wasn't strong. It didn't deploy fast enough. The White House wasn't on this. And we lost nearly 2,000 Americans, not solely because of the federal response, but it just contributed to not saving a predominantly black American city.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Right. And that narrative, you know, held on for a long time.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: We asked Juliette if the misinformation and disinformation around Milton was as bad as that which we saw after Helene.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: You saw it more online than, say, from political leadership, but you saw two things going on.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: One is just the misinformation that the forecasts were incorrect, that this was government overreach.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: It was government hype, which then, you know, in terms of what's the effect of that, well, that then gets people, citizens confused about what they're supposed to do.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: And so that is sort of, you know, one major thing that happened leading into Thursday.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: You saw much more aggressive, though, government FEMA pushback on that.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: They were sort of ready now. Helene was, I think they were sort of caught, sort of shocked, like, oh, my God, this is happening.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: So you saw just a lot of outreach, a lot of pushback on the misinformation and even from DeSantis, who who who pushed back on some of that.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: But you are saying there was pushback even from Ron DeSantis, who I assume was was pushing back on misinformation more broadly and not on specifically, say, his his former opponent.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: We will utilize them to support some of the things we're doing. But you are not going to see FEMA running amok in Florida.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: I know that's been out there on the internet. That is not gonna happen. I'm the sheriff that's in charge here, and we will make sure to protect you. Don't worry about it.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: No, no, he did not. He did not target his party. He did not target Donald Trump.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: I mean, part of this is, or why is this happening now with the governors? We saw this also with the governor of Georgia Republicans pushing back on Trump trying to have sort of factual statements.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: I mean one is of course they you know disasters and lots of dead citizens are not good for them and not good for them politically I'll just be blunt here.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: So do you feel comforted looking at what we learn between Helene and Milton?
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Do you think this makes an agency like FEMA more prepared for the next hurricane and for the next storm, if you will, of misinformation?
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Yeah, I think it will on the misinformation and the lies front.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: I think it's just going to be part of your emergency management plan, right? You're going to push back on the rumors in a very formal way.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: It used to be done, but it was very piecemeal.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: I saw language coming out of FEMA spokespeople, which I'd never seen before.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Essentially just calling out the lies, calling people liars, in particular on social media.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: So they're using the language, the sort of freewheeling language of social media, which I think is important, rather than the sort of more formal language of government.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: And I think it's important to recognize why they're doing that.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: One is that they're incredibly demoralizing to be working 24-7 to try to save lives and then have these jerks come in and tell people to do the exact opposite.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: It adds to their vulnerabilities as first responders going out to these communities if there's people hostile to FEMA.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: It just confuses the population about what they're supposed to do in a disaster when time is so short to evacuate, to get your house ready, to get your family ready.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: I think from the hype around Milton, there was this sense that, like, it could destroy Tampa.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: And it's early yet, but I don't think that happened.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Do you think that sort of confirms and fuels this misinformation engine after an event like this?
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Yeah, it definitely will.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: It will be viewed as overreach, as the government's incompetent.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: It doesn't know what it's doing.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: And it will breed a counter-narrative that they got everything wrong.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Why does that matter?
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Well, one is there's going to be another storm.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: And so I think the next evacuation will be harder if you don't see the kind of damage and the kind of death that everyone was worried about.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: But I also, you know, this is something that's common.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: It has a name. It's wonky, but it's called the preparedness paradox.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: If you are ready, right, you get houses ready, you get communities ready, you get them to evacuate.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: And the thing comes through and the damage is less than you were worried about, that's why you wanted the evacuations, that's why you wanted the houses to be ready.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: People will say, well, what were you so worried about in the first place?
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: In other words, the government's reaction, which may have minimized harm and damage and death, may very well, paradoxically, be viewed as the government's original assessment was wrong.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: So I do think that this narrative will be pushed and to say government incompetency.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: It's funny, you know, you're making me think like the only way to really combat that level of distrust is to just present a unified front.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: But we're less than a month out from an election, and that seems beyond our capacity right now.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: I'm thinking back to the Halcyon days where, like, Chris Christie hugged Barack Obama.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: And those days just seem like of another time.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Yeah, exactly. I mean, it is—there's no incentive for Donald Trump to, you know, just to shut the f*** up, right?
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: I mean, there's just—sorry. I mean, it's like sometimes like just you don't have to have an opinion, like just let the hurricane go through and let government do what it was.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: But his incentive is, of course, to show incompetency and an overreach.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: That's part of his narrative of that only he can fix it.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Julia, you've been on the inside of all of this. You've been on the outside of all of this. You're an analyst. You're writing about these disasters with experience from working inside the federal government.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: If you could get one thing out to all of the people who are affected by Helene, who will be affected by Milton, who will be affected by the next disaster, what would it be?
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: I mean, in a world where you can't trust social media, where you're maybe not getting the right information from the government, from the news, whatever.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Part of the plan, part of the response plan is you. That you can do things now to make things less bad.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Some of them are big, you know, can you get your house ready, right?
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: So we have a mantra 72 on you, which is essentially, if you can have enough water and food for 72 hours, it's just going to ease the pain.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Also, think about what media and information resources you will have available that are going to help you and your family in a moment.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Do you have a radio? Do you have access to information? Do you know where your adult kids would be if something happened?
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: This is when government needs to work.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: But our culture of preparedness really went dry in the post-Cold War era.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: We just weren't thinking about it.
--:-- [Sound effects: Upbeat music continues]
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: We weren't thinking about our vulnerabilities.
--:-- [Sound effects: Upbeat music continues]
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: That changed a little bit after 9-11, but the climate disasters, it now really has to change.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: And we all, if we have the resources, if we have the capacity, it is on us.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Juliette Kayyem, she's at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government, and she's the author of a book called The Devil Never Sleeps: Learning to Live in an Age of Disasters.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: This episode was produced by Haleema Shah, Victoria Chamberlin and Miles Bryan, edited by Miranda Kennedy, fact-checked by Laura Bullard, engineered by Rob Byers and Andrea Kristinsdottir, and hosted by Sean Rameswaram.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: She worked in the Department of Homeland Security back when Obama was president.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: That's right.
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--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Misinformation is not uncommon in disasters. They come on fast. People see things that don't end up being true.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what about the role of social media in all of this?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Social media is making it really easy for misinformation and disinformation to spread quickly.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what can people do to protect themselves from all of this?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Well, first of all, people need to be skeptical of information they see online.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And what about the role of government in all of this? Shouldn't they be doing more to stop the spread of misinformation and disinformation?
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Well, the government is trying to do more. They're working with social media companies to take down false information and they're also trying to get accurate information out to people.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Juliette Kayyem, thanks for joining me today.
--:-- Juliette Kayyem: Thanks for having me.
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