--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Welcome to Today Explained. I'm Sean Rameswaram, and this is a special episode on the opioid crisis in America. Our guest today is Herman Lopez, a senior reporter at Vox.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Today, we're going to talk about the opioid crisis, which is now the biggest drug epidemic in American history. Herman, you've written about this crisis for years, and I feel like we're constantly hearing about it, but when exactly did it start?
--:-- Herman Lopez: So, there's really three waves to this opioid crisis. The first wave is the mid-1990s when Oxycontin came out. The marketing for OxyContin and the campaign that Purdue Pharma, the maker of OxyContin, really fueled this idea that opioid painkillers are the safe and effective drug.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's fascinating. And you said there are three waves. What are the other two?
--:-- Herman Lopez: The second wave is during the odds, early 2010s, people who got addicted to opioids eventually transitioned to heroin. Leveled up. Yeah, people were caught off from their painkillers. A lot of people were like, well, I'm still going to suffer withdrawal. I still want these opioids. And they went to heroin for that.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That makes sense. And what's the third wave?
--:-- Herman Lopez: The last wave is the one we're in right now. The one that started taking off around 2014, I would say. A lot of this heroin is no longer really heroin. It's fentanyl and it's analogs. And these are essentially synthetic opioids or like opioids you make in a lab.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Wow, that's scary. Tell me more about fentanyl. What does it look like? How do people actually take it?
--:-- Herman Lopez: Fentanyl has been around for decades and it has been used for medical purposes in the past. It's usually used for breakthrough pain for cancer patients. Wow. That's how strong it is. I mean, we're talking about like patients who like are already on a regimen of opioids. So they take this additional super potent opioid fentanyl for extra pain that they might feel.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's incredible. And how does this compare to everything else, to alcohol, to all the other drugs that people do?
--:-- Herman Lopez: It's by far the worst drug overdose crisis in U.S. history in terms of deaths. To put this in perspective, HIV-AIDS at its peak killed fewer Americans than the opioid epidemic, and drug overdoses now kill each year. In 2016, nearly 64,000 people died of drug overdoses in the U.S. At least two-thirds of those were linked to opioids.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's staggering. And who's dying? Who is this affecting?
--:-- Herman Lopez: For most of the opioid epidemic, it has by and large hit white Americans the hardest. That's starting to change in that there are like rising overdose deaths in black communities as well now.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's an interesting point. How has that changed the conversation around opioid addiction?
--:-- Herman Lopez: I mean, comparing it to crack, which mostly affected black Americans and led to mass incarceration. In the 1980s and 1990s, crack was all over the news. It was once the rich man's drug. But as crack, cocaine is cheap and abundant. And perhaps most tragically, it now threatens the future of the poor and the young.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And who's responsible? Let me tell you straight out. Everyone who uses drugs, everyone who sells drugs, and everyone who looks the other way.
--:-- Herman Lopez: That's right. And the tone has changed for this opioid epidemic. Obama and Trump have really taken a more public health approach towards this issue in that most of the money that they've actually put towards this has generally gone to treatment and generally gone to harm reduction strategies like providing naloxone.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And what's the solution for America's opioid epidemic? There's a clear one, but it seems like the country doesn't want to go anywhere near it.
--:-- Herman Lopez: The main solution for opioid addiction are these medications. There's buprenorphine, which is also known by its brand name, Suboxone. There's methadone, and then there's naltrexone.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's fascinating. And how does this work state to state? Are there places that have figured out how to give people these other drugs, methadone, buprenorphine, in ways that are better than others?
--:-- Herman Lopez: There are states that are doing much better at this. In Vermont, they have something called the hub and spoke system. Generally, what this means is that it's integrated addiction treatment into the rest of the healthcare system.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And how did they come up with it?
--:-- Herman Lopez: So in the 2010s, Vermont started seeing what was happening with the opioid crisis. John Brooklyn was really the architect of this program. John Brooklyn, architect of the program, but also a doctor, Dr. John Brooklyn.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's fascinating. And why isn't more places doing this?
--:-- Herman Lopez: The biggest problem by far was stigma. After like decades of seeing this as a criminal justice issue, lawmakers and the public still have stigmatizing to attitudes or addiction. They don't see it as a health problem. They still see it as like a moral failure on the person part.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And how is Vermont paying for all this now?
--:-- Herman Lopez: Most of the funding for this actually comes through Medicaid because Vermont, first of all, got a waiver through the federal Medicaid program to actually help set up these hubs and spokes and that kind of thing.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And what about President Trump? Has he done anything yet?
--:-- Herman Lopez: President Trump loves to talk about this issue, but in terms of doing something significant about it, he hasn't really done much. Congress has approved more funding for the opioid epidemic, but it's just not enough money.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And what's the cost of doing nothing?
--:-- Herman Lopez: The White House actually put out this report where they said that the opiate epidemic cost $500 billion in terms of economic output. If we're talking about like tens of billions of dollars in federal funding to take care of this issue, if we avert another $500 billion from going away, that's a massive return on investment.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And what's your personal experience with addiction?
--:-- Charlie: My name is Charlie. I am from South Burlington, Vermont. My mother was an alcoholic and whatever, but it wasn't too bad. I played hockey and won a national championship in prep school and then went on to play Division II. Freshman year, I got injured. I get prescribed this medication and obviously as one self progresses, you think, you're the man, you're an athlete. You know, I'm never going to be a drug addict. First thing you know, I'm doing heroin because I started experiencing withdrawals.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Wow, thank you for sharing that with us, Charlie.
--:-- Charlie: That ended up sending me down a deep, dark path that led to an even deeper abyss. I left, I ended up dropping out of college. I lost everything that I'd ever worked for. Literally was homeless, ended up going to prison. whole time was consumed by getting the next fix.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's heartbreaking. And what happened next?
--:-- Charlie: We turn now to look at America's staggering opioid epidemic. Opioids are now the biggest drug epidemic in American history. I want to talk about opioid addiction at a time when overdose deaths have never been higher.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And what's the solution for America's opioid epidemic? There's a clear one, but it seems like the country doesn't want to go anywhere near it.
--:-- Charlie: The main solution for opioid addiction are these medications. There's buprenorphine, which is also known by its brand name, Suboxone. There's methadone, and then there's naltrexone.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's fascinating. And how does this work state to state? Are there places that have figured out how to give people these other drugs, methadone, buprenorphine, in ways that are better than others?
--:-- Charlie: There are states that are doing much better at this. In Vermont, they have something called the hub and spoke system. Generally, what this means is that it's integrated addiction treatment into the rest of the healthcare system.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And what's your experience with the hub and spoke system?
--:-- Charlie: I actually went through the hub and spoke system in Vermont. I was on the list for a long time, but it absolutely changed my life. I'm still very lucky. I put in a lot of work. I went from literally dying, overdosing, homeless, sleeping in the airport. Now I am lead account executive for a financial merchant services firm. And I have a condo, two dogs. I take care of my mother and, you know, I pay my bills.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's incredible. And what's the takeaway from your experience?
--:-- Charlie: It's crazy, man. It's absolutely crazy. You know, and I tried multiple times. At first I thought, oh, you know, I'm never going to be on Suboxone. I'm never going to be on it. Obviously, it's not just the Suboxone, but it gives you a crutch and it gives you some hope. Now you're able to not be sick and have a normal, stable, emotional sense, physical sense.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a great point. And what's the takeaway from your experience?
--:-- Charlie: I think that if I did not have the Suboxone, I certainly wouldn't be here today.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thank you, Charlie, for sharing your story with us.
--:-- Charlie: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And thank you to our guest, Herman Lopez, for joining us today.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
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--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And don't forget to follow us on social media for more updates and behind-the-scenes content.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And don't forget to follow us on social media for more updates and behind-the-scenes content.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And don't forget to follow us on social media for more updates and behind-the-scenes content.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And don't forget to follow us on social media for more updates and behind-the-scenes content.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And don't forget to follow us on social media for more updates and behind-the-scenes content.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And to our listeners, thank you for tuning in to this special episode of Today Explained.
--:-- Herman Lopez: And don't forget to check out Uber's new features on their app.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Thanks for listening, and we'll be back with more episodes of Today Explained soon.
--:-- Herman Lopez: Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And don't forget to follow us on social media for more updates and behind-the-scenes content.