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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Hey, everyone. Sean coming at you on a Sunday to tell you about Kara Swisher. Kara's been on Today Explained a number of times. She's been a journalist for decades. Over the course of her career. She's garnered a reputation for being a tough interview. No nonsense. And she's got quite the Rolodex. I'm envious of her Rolodex. She can book Elon and Mark at the drop of the hat. She does a lot of tech, but she can also get Barack and Hillary. She does a lot of politics. And that's what we're going to share with you today. We're bringing you an episode of Kara's new podcast. It's called On with Kara Swisher. It's from New York Magazine and the Vox Media podcast network. This is a recent episode of the show in which Kara spoke with Georgia gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams, who's trying to win the state again in just a few weeks. My bet is you'll learn a lot from Kara's conversation with Stacey. And my bet is you seek out On with Kara Swisher wherever you listen. Peace. Thank you for talking to me again. It's our fourth or fifth interview.
--:-- Kara Swisher: [laughs] Thank you, Sean.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I want to start off with, I guess, the news, the recent polls have, Brian, come up between two and five points. Why do you think you are so far behind right now?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: I'm not far behind. In 2018, the polls had me down. He was at 49. I was at 45.8. This is a polarized state with an electorate that is usually not included in polling. So let's use an example. 10% of the state's population is not white and not Black, when you're looking at a polling size of 500, that means they're talking to maybe five or six people to extrapolate what's happening in one of the most diverse, non-Black, non-white communities. And so these polls are snapshots. The question is, who are they taking a picture of? And what we know is that based on our internal polling, based on what we saw happen with the, with my numbing regularity in 2018 is that the polls are going to look and they're going to see that in a state that is shifting, both in terms of partisanship and in terms of demographic composition, that I'm going to be behind by a bit. But what we do know is that my ability and my capacity to invest in turnout is what changed the game in 18. It's what won the game in 20 and 21. And we are going to continue to do that work because I see polls as a snapshot, not a predictor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Well, how are you looking at it? Is it a persuasion game or a get out the vote one? You talked sort of two different things there.
--:-- Stacey Abrams: Well, but we tend to, in political parlance, divide these communities where persuasion is about ideology and turnout is about activation. What I have always focused on and what I'm being chastised for is that I recognize there's a third category, and that is persuasion to vote. There are communities that are automatically presumed to be voting simply because they look like the candidates. There is no conversation about Herschel Walker and his performance with Black voters. There is a conversation about my performance with Black voters. But here's the thing. My job isn't to persuade them not to vote for Brian Kemp. By and large, they will not. He will get a certain percentage because the certain percentage of every community is conservative. But my job is to persuade them that voting is worth their effort and worth their time.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're saying it's not about persuading them to vote for you, but to vote at all.
--:-- Stacey Abrams: That's right. Because when you just asked me about what's different, the litany of troubles that I just listed, they're attacking Black communities at disproportionate rates. They're attacking AAPI communities, Latino communities, women. And so my responsibility is to persuade those communities that voting matters, that the exhaustion that has been about since 2016 that we've got to try one more time. Because this is not about persuading their ideological shift. It is about persuading a behavioral shift.
--:-- Kara Swisher: So you were on Fox News Sunday mornings early this week. Talk about why you went. Are they persuadable to you from your perspective?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: Absolutely. I win elections, not just for myself, but for others. And I've been working to help elect people in Georgia for years. And you win by building coalitions. If you only talk to the same people and you only talk about the same issues, or you talk about the issues differently when you talk to someone else, then people grow in their distrust, but you also reduce the likelihood of expanding your coalition. So I tell the same story no matter where I am. Whether I'm on Fox or MSNBC, if you ask me a question about abortion, I'm going to give you the exact same answer. Whether I'm on The View or I'm on Charlemagne Tha God, I'm going to talk about issues in a way that people can access it, can understand it.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Is there an advantage to facing the same opponent for a second time? Are you able to anticipate him better?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: I don't think it's about who he is. I think it's about what the Republican Party is. And what we know is he is emblematic of the Trumpist MAGA themes. He has done everything Donald Trump wanted. The only thing he didn't do was commit treason, but neither did any other governor. And so he is getting this cloak of mainstream niceties when he is as vicious and as callous and as aggressively opposed to our freedoms as any iteration of Donald Trump.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 2018, I lost that race by 54,723 votes. Since that time, Georgia has added 1.6 million new voters. They are predominantly more likely to be people of color, to be women, to be younger. And that means there's a new voter pool that is modeled about 53% to be Democratic. And so number one, there are more opportunities for victory. Number two, we have now been through COVID. We have seen the end of Trump, but we have also been through racial violence. Women have lost their right to choose in Georgia. Marriage equality is under attack. The governor does not believe in it. And there is a Supreme Court that has signaled very strongly that the governor will be the deciding factor on most of those issues. And so it is a critical race where people are starting to understand if you want to protect your freedoms, the Supreme Court isn't going to do it. Congress can't do it. It's up to the governor.
--:-- Kara Swisher: Okay. So you're looking for that same Georgia miracle that you had sort of twice. You did have the same lineup for Georgia governor with the same opponent. You lost that race in 2018. He is now an incumbent. What is different now from your perspective when you're looking at the whole state as a candidate?
--:-- Stacey Abrams: In 201
