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--:-- Sarah Cliff: Let's start with the basics. The company at the center of this scandal is called SNC-Lavalin. It's a big construction and engineering firm that's involved in a lot of federal and provincial infrastructure projects in Canada.
--:-- Vashi Capellos: That's right. SNC-Lavalin is a very big company in Canada. They're involved in at least a third of all the federal and provincial infrastructure projects that get built in this country.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: So, SNC-Lavalin was facing criminal charges for bribing officials in Libya under the Gaddafi regime. But they wanted to avoid being criminally convicted, so they lobbied the government for a Deferred Prosecution Agreement, or DPA.
--:-- Vashi Capellos: That's right. A DPA is like a plea bargain for a company that's facing criminal charges. They agree to pay a big fine or replace the people who were in power when they were doing all that alleged criminal activity, and in return, they avoid being criminally convicted.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: So, the attorney general, Jody Wilson-Raybould, had to decide whether to go forward with the prosecution or pursue a DPA. And she decided not to intervene and tell the courts to pursue a plea bargain.
--:-- Vashi Capellos: That's right. And that's when things started to get interesting. The government and people within the prime minister's office allegedly started to pressure her to change her mind.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: And that's when Jody Wilson-Raybould resigned from her position as attorney general and minister of justice.
--:-- Vashi Capellos: That's right. And then she gave testimony before a House committee, describing all these meetings she had with high players in the prime minister's office, his closest aides. She said they were just pressuring her and pressuring her to change her mind.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: And then, the principal secretary to the prime minister, Jerry Butts, resigned from his position.
--:-- Vashi Capellos: That's right. And then, another cabinet official, Jane Philpott, resigned from her position as well.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: So, what's the fallout from all of this? Is this a big deal in Canadian politics?
--:-- Vashi Capellos: This is a huge deal. We've seen some polling that shows the opposition has definitely gained ground on the Liberals. Justin Trudeau had a lot of personal popularity going into this controversy, but the timing of this, so close to an election, it's really sent shockwaves through Canadian politics.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: And what about the opposition parties? Are they making a big deal out of this?
--:-- Vashi Capellos: Yeah, they're definitely making a big deal out of this. But it's not like they have a ton of work to do in order to make that effective. It's coming from within the Liberal party, with Jody Wilson-Raybould and Jane Philpott exposing the government for all these alleged wrongdoings.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: And what about members of Trudeau's own party? Are they sticking with him or thinking about bailing?
--:-- Vashi Capellos: In public, for the most part, they're all sticking with him. But behind the scenes, there's a lot of concern about his leadership specifically on this file.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: And what about the impact on Trudeau's brand? He's often touted as a liberal hero, an anti-Trump.
--:-- Vashi Capellos: Yeah, that's a really good question. I don't think it happens nearly to the same degree that it happens elsewhere. But this scandal has definitely done some damage to his brand domestically.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: And what about the inclusion and diversity aspect of his brand? He's been a big proponent of that.
--:-- Vashi Capellos: Yeah, that's another big issue. Jody Wilson-Raybould, the first Indigenous female justice minister, and Jane Philpott, another strong woman, resigning from cabinet, it says something about his leadership and his commitment to those values.
--:-- Sarah Cliff: And finally, can Justin Trudeau survive this scandal?
--:-- Vashi Capellos: I think anything is possible. But on the face of it, at this point, it looks like this story isn't going anywhere. We're expecting more people to testify, and what if more people quit cabinet?
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