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--:-- Scott Simon: And now on with the show. President-elect Donald Trump wants a chance to weigh in on the TikTok saga once he assumes office. He's asked the Supreme Court to delay implementation of the law banning the app until after his inauguration.
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--:-- Scott Simon: The law forces TikTok to be shut down or sold next month. We'll have more on that story. Also, North Korean soldiers fighting with Russia against Ukraine. U.S. officials say they're dying in high numbers. These North Korean soldiers appear to be highly indoctrinated, pushing attacks even when it is clear that those attacks are futile. And mixed feelings after the FDA declares the end of an obesity drug shortage. Stay with us. We have the news you need to start your weekend.
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--:-- Scott Simon: A law forcing TikTok sale or closure is set to go into effect January 19th, just one day before President-elect Trump's inauguration. But Trump has asked the Supreme Court to delay its implementation so he can resolve the issue.
--:-- Scott Simon: And Pierce Bobby Allen joins us. Bobby, thanks for being with us.
--:-- Bobby Allen: Thanks, Scott.
--:-- Scott Simon: What is Donald Trump asking the Supreme Court to do?
--:-- Bobby Allen: Yeah, as you mentioned, Trump is urging the court to pause the start date of a law that would shut down TikTok nationwide unless it is sold away from its China-based parent company.
--:-- Scott Simon: And in the filing, Trump says he possesses the consummate deal-making expertise to broker a sale of the app.
--:-- Bobby Allen: Yeah, that's right. And in the filing, Trump says he possesses the consummate deal-making expertise to broker a sale of the app.
--:-- Scott Simon: How might this affect the Supreme Court review of TikTok?
--:-- Bobby Allen: You know that really hard to say. In two weeks lawyers for TikTok and the Department of Justice will be arguing in front of the Supreme Court over whether banning TikTok violates the Constitution or not. The date had been set earlier this month. Now Trump's new brief does not take a position on the constitutionality of the TikTok ban, but does essentially say, well, Supreme Court, if you want to hold off on making a ruling, Trump will step in, strike a deal that might make the high court's intervention unnecessary completely.
--:-- Scott Simon: Experts also noted to me that Trump is citing no legal authority for this request.
--:-- Bobby Allen: Yeah, that's right. Experts also noted to me that Trump is citing no legal authority for this request.
--:-- Scott Simon: Bobby, this case has been has been gathering steam for a number of years. How did it come to this?
--:-- Bobby Allen: Yeah, it really has. You know, since TikTok became a global sensation during the pandemic, Washington has been very worried about the company's ties to China. Yeah, and those fears really escalated in April when Congress passed a law banning TikTok unless it sheds its Beijing parent company, ByteDance.
--:-- Scott Simon: And TikTok has been fighting this law. It lost in a lower court and appealed to the Supreme Court, which agreed to hear the case on this lightning-fast schedule.
--:-- Bobby Allen: That's right. But looming over the legal saga has been President-elect Donald Trump. Remember, he started the TikTok ban movement during his first term, and now he is the very one promising to save the app.
--:-- Scott Simon: And any indication of why he changed his mind?
--:-- Bobby Allen: Yeah, you know, Trump had an active TikTok account during his presidential campaign, and he has credited the app with helping drive young people to the polls. So that's what he's saying publicly about why he now supports the app.
--:-- Scott Simon: But TikTok observers have also pointed to influential donors who are in touch with Trump's orbit and who are big investors in ByteDance.
--:-- Bobby Allen: Yeah, that's right. They include Jeff Yoss, whose investment firm Susquehanna Investment Group has a large stake in ByteDance. Yoss has never donated directly to the Trump campaign, but he was a major donor to conservative Super PACs this past election. And then there's Masayoshi Sun, CEO of SoftBank, which also has a significant investment in TikTok's owner.
--:-- Scott Simon: Bobby, how might this affect the millions of Americans who use the app each and every day?
--:-- Bobby Allen: Yeah. You know, at this point, Scott, it's really hard to imagine any situation where TikTok is shut down, even if the Supreme Court comes back and says the ban law is completely legal. It will then be up to the incoming Trump administration to enforce it. And Trump can instruct his Justice Department to just take a hands-off approach and then try to work out a deal where TikTok is purchased away from its Chinese parent company, thus satisfying the law.
--:-- Scott Simon: So we don't know for sure, but for all the TikTokers out there who use the app every day, I think it's fair to say it's unlikely it will be disappearing anytime soon.
--:-- Bobby Allen: That's right.
--:-- Scott Simon: And Paris technology correspondent, Bobby Allen, thanks so much.
--:-- Bobby Allen: Thanks much, Scott.
--:-- Scott Simon: We're learning more about the roughly 10,000 North Korean soldiers fighting alongside the Russians in Eastern Europe. Western officials say the soldiers are being assigned to missions that have little chance of succeeding.
--:-- Scott Simon: And Piers Brian Mann has been following developments in Kyiv. Brian, thanks for being with us.
--:-- Brian Mann: Good morning, Scott. Why North Korean soldiers alongside Russians in the first place?
--:-- Scott Simon: Yeah, it seems surprising on the face of it, doesn't it?
--:-- Brian Mann: Yeah, it seems surprising on the face of it, doesn't it? Russian soldiers already outnumber Ukraine's army, which is much smaller. But military analysts have been talking to point out you need a lot more soldiers when you're on the offense, as Russia is now. They're trying to gain ground.
--:-- Scott Simon: I spoke about this with George Barros at the Institute for the Study of War. They track fighting in eastern Ukraine. He says, Scott, Russia is now burning through roughly 30,000 troops every month that's killed and wounded.
--:-- Brian Mann: That's right. So Moscow needs reinforcements. The Russians are struggling to offset that 30,000 casualties per month figure. They basically have a system that's allowed them to be able to withstand and sustain that for the last two and half years, but it's not working anymore.
--:-- Scott Simon: The North Koreans provided 10 days worth of casualties with that initial 10K investment.
--:-- Brian Mann: Now what's interesting is Barros believes that as many as 3 of those North Korean soldiers have already been killed or wounded. I should say that a high estimate U officials put the number of North Korean casualties around 1,000.
--:-- Scott Simon: And what do these assaults by North Korean troops look like?
--:-- Brian Mann: Well, the description's pretty horrific. White House National Security Communications Advisor John Kirby spoke about this yesterday, describing what are basically suicide missions. North Koreans are sent on foot over open ground without necessary support or equipment to attack heavily fortified Ukrainian positions.
--:-- Scott Simon: These North Korean soldiers appear to be highly indoctrinated, pushing attacks even when it is clear that those attacks are futile.
--:-- Brian Mann: That's right. We also have reports of North Korean soldiers taking their own lives.
--:-- Scott Simon: Now, Kirby does acknowledge these attacks are putting a strain on the Ukrainians, who also face a very serious manpower shortage.
--:-- Brian Mann: And Russia has been gaining ground in Kursk and other areas along the Eastern Front, but that progress is slow. And Russia and now North Korea, they're paying a huge price in manpower.
--:-- Scott Simon: Brian, what can you tell us about those reports of North Korean soldiers taking their own lives?
--:-- Brian Mann: Yeah, this is pretty grim. Ukraine's president, Volodymyr Zelensky, also spoke about this yesterday. The North Koreans do everything, so it's impossible for us to capture them alive, Zelensky said. Their own soldiers kill them off.
--:-- Scott Simon: NPR, I should say, hasn't been able to independently verify this. But the theory shared by Ukrainian officials and the White House is North Korean soldiers fear for their families. They think they'll face reprisal and punishment back home if they're taken prisoner, so they choose to take their own lives.
--:-- Brian Mann: That's right.
--:-- Scott Simon: You did say Russia is gaining ground. What does it look like for Ukraine?
--:-- Brian Mann: Yeah, it's been a really grinding, brutal winter for Ukraine, Scott. Military analysts say Russia's offensive is poorly planned and executed, as we've been discussing. But the sheer weight of soldiers and artillery are pushing Ukraine back.
--:-- Scott Simon: In a national address this week, Zelensky talked about a desperate need to stabilize Ukraine's defenses.
--:-- Brian Mann: One big question here in Kyiv is whether the U.S. will actually deliver most of the $61 billion in additional military and economic aid for Ukraine that was allocated by Congress last spring.
--:-- Scott Simon: They're hoping it'll come before President Biden leaves office. People here fear that once President-elect Donald Trump is sworn in next month, much of that aid could be frozen.
--:-- Brian Mann: Brian Mann in Kyiv, thanks so much.
--:-- Brian Mann: Thank you.
--:-- Scott Simon: Weight loss drugs such as Ozempic have been in short supply in recent years because of their popularity. But the FDA has declared the official shortage of one of those medications, ZEP-bound, to be over.
--:-- Scott Simon: And that has caused some mixed feelings, especially among patients prescribed the drug.
--:-- Scott Simon: And Pierce Pharmaceuticals correspondent Sidney Lupkin joins us. Sidney, thanks so much for being with us.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: Yeah, hi, Scott.
--:-- Scott Simon: But I gather the ending of a drug shortage is eliciting mixed feelings.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: Yeah, and you know, in most circumstances, it would be celebrated all around. But in this case, many people will end up spending more to manage their obesity.
--:-- Scott Simon: Here's what's happening. Terzepatide is the active ingredient in Eli Lilly's ZepBound for Obesity and Manjaro for Diabetes. Specialized pharmacies called compounding pharmacies have been legally allowed to make what are essentially copies of terzepatide because the brand name drugs were in shortage.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: That's right. And the compounded versions of the medicines were a lot cheaper. A few hundred dollars a month for patients compared with $1,000 or more for the brand name drugs. That's a big difference.
--:-- Scott Simon: Yeah, so the stakes are high. In October, FDA first said the shortage was over, but a trade group for the largest compounding pharmacies sued the FDA, challenging that determination.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: The compounders said there was no way the shortage could be over because many patients still couldn't fill their name brand prescriptions.
--:-- Scott Simon: And they alleged that the FDA hadn't determined how many people would need to make the switch from the compounded to the name brand drugs either.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: That's right. So the FDA took another look and for a second time declared the trisepatide shortage resolved.
--:-- Scott Simon: Why does the FDA think the shortage is over this time?
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: The agency says it took a look at many factors, including the drug manufacturer's inventory data, projected demand. It says it also spoke to patients, health care providers, and compounding pharmacies.
--:-- Scott Simon: Bottom line, the agency said it thinks Eli Lilly can make enough.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: That's right. Lilly said in a statement that the FDA decision reflects the company's hard work to expand its manufacturing capacity and meet patient needs.
--:-- Scott Simon: So compounding pharmacies will need to stop making and selling the compounded versions in February or March, depending on their size.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: But Sydney, aren't a lot of people taking compounded obesity drugs already?
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: Yes, though the exact number is hard to pin down. I've heard from lots of patients who consider them a lifeline.
--:-- Scott Simon: And that's because many health insurers won't cover the drugs for weight loss.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: That's right. Medicare, for instance, is banned from covering drugs for weight loss because of an old law written at a time when having obesity was considered more of a personal failure than a health condition.
--:-- Scott Simon: That means people without coverage will have to pay the full sticker price for the name brand drugs, and that's unaffordable for a lot of people who've turned to the cheaper compounded versions of the drugs.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: What are those patients going to do?
--:-- Scott Simon: Some are stockpiling the compounded drugs while they can.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: I checked in with Mary Strewski, an Arizona woman who told me a few weeks ago about how she lost 50 pounds so far on compounded terzepatide.
--:-- Scott Simon: She says she and her nurse practitioner settled on a plan to buy enough terzepatide to get her through until about April.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: And after that, she isn't sure, but she says she needs to find a way to keep taking the medicine.
--:-- Scott Simon: I'm a changed person, and it's primarily because it has changed me fundamentally and the way I go about life every day.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: Her health is better, and she says she's free of the anxiety that came with eating. She's thinking about what she wants to accomplish in 2025.
--:-- Scott Simon: Could insurance coverage for the name brand ZepBound get better now that the compounded versions are off the table?
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: You know, it could because the FDA just approved ZEP bound as the first drug treatment for moderate to severe obstructive sleep apnea in patients who have obesity.
--:-- Scott Simon: Obstructive sleep apnea is a condition in which someone temporarily pauses breathing in their sleep because their upper airway collapses.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: It is more common among people who have obesity. The new approval could open the door for ZEP bound coverage by Medicare and Medicaid because it's not just a weight loss drug anymore.
--:-- Scott Simon: So while that's not going to solve everyone's insurance problems here, it could help a lot of people.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: NPR Pharmaceuticals correspondent Sidney Lupkin, thanks so much.
--:-- Sidney Lupkin: You bet.
--:-- Scott Simon: And that's Up First. For Saturday, December 28, 2024, I'm Scott Simon.
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--:-- Daniel Estrin: Do those things still exist, portable radios, Scott?
--:-- Scott Simon: I was just thinking I haven't seen one in a while. Maybe with that little antenna you put up.
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