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--:-- Alex Ritson: This is the Global News Podcast from the BBC World Service. I'm Alex Ritson and at five hours GMT on Saturday the 20th of September these are our main stories. NATO intercepts Russian jets in Estonian airspace. President Trump announces visa changes amid a clampdown on immigration. Notre Dame's bell towers reopen to the public.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Also in this podcast, how brushing your teeth helps protect against cancer and... Hello, Kingston! My name is Ivan, and I'm going to make a record, you know. I'm going to be a star! I'm from Kingston. Oh, yeah! Jamaica's best-known film turns into a play. First it was Poland and Romania. Now Estonia has become the latest NATO member to have its airspace violated by Russia.
--:-- Alex Ritson: The Defence Minister Hanno Pevker told us three Russian jets were intercepted by NATO pilots and forced to flee. We were in a very close contact with our allies, not only with Finland but also with Sweden and we had the situation under the control but yes It is unprecedented that for 12 minutes the Russians were in our airspace, but there was a very good coordination among different countries.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Estonia is seeking urgent talks with NATO amid rising fears of Russian incursions. The government said the Kremlin is increasingly testing its neighbours' borders. Russia claims its fighters did not violate Estonian airspace. But surely flying there for 12 minutes couldn't have been an accident? That's the question I put to our global affairs reporter, Danny Aberhart.
--:-- Danny Aberhart: All indications are that this was a deliberate incursion into Estonian airspace over the Gulf of Finland. The planes flew near an island, Vindelor, and they stayed there for a long time. NATO jets were scrambled and intercepted the planes and escorted them away. But it's a very long time to be in Estonian airspace.
--:-- Danny Aberhart: There have been lots of incursions by Russian jets into NATO airspace since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine, including sometimes with more than one plane, but some of them are just single planes going in and often very briefly. This is different. So what does this mean? What it seems to be, given that the fact that on the same day two Russian planes did a very low overflight of a drilling platform in the Baltic Sea, that Russia is testing NATO air defences and response times.
--:-- Danny Aberhart: The EU's foreign affairs chief, Kaya Kalas, said it was a provocation and that's the line of thinking basically that Russia is testing the response. She said that the West must not show weakness in this regard. So NATO has been trying to reinforce its defences on the eastern flank. What is NATO doing? How does NATO respond to this?
--:-- Danny Aberhart: The Secretary General, Mark Rutter said that NATO's response was quick and decisive. Estonia has called for consultations with its NATO allies under Article 4. Any NATO member state can have discussions in the North Atlantic Council, the main political decision-making body of NATO, when it deems, for example, that its security is threatened.
--:-- Danny Aberhart: Article 4 is different, obviously, from Article 5, which is one of the big guns of the NATO agreement, which is basically an attack on one would be an attack on all. Article 4 is definitely nowhere near that sort of stage. Article 4 is also the article that Poland engaged NATO allies with when Russia sent more than 20 drones into its airspace last week. And it shot them down? Some of those drones were shot down, some of them crashed.
--:-- Danny Aberhart: Those drones weren't sent out on an attack on Poland, no indication that they were actually trying to hit targets, But it was a further indication, basically, that Russia poses a threat and that NATO needs to respond by increasing its own defences on the eastern flank. Could responding mean firing at aircraft that breached NATO?
--:-- Danny Aberhart: We've not seen any indication that NATO aircraft will fire on Russian aircraft. That would be a considerable escalation if such a thing were to happen. So it's very different shooting down, for example, a drone or a dummy drone as the ones that flew over Poland were. So I don't think we're in that sort of territory at the moment.
--:-- Alex Ritson: President Trump has announced changes to visas as part of an ongoing clampdown on immigration. He's hiked up the fee of a temporary H-1B visa, widely used by US tech companies, from around $1,000 to $100,000 a year. H-1Bs are for highly skilled foreign workers and more than 70% are given to Indians. Chinese workers also benefit.
--:-- Alex Ritson: But the Trump administration claims they're also being used to take jobs from American graduates. President Trump signed the executive order in the White House with his aides. One of the most abused visa systems in our current immigration system has been the H-1B non-immigrant visa program. We need workers. We need great workers. And this pretty much ensures that that's what's going to happen.
--:-- Sean: I think, do you agree with that? Well, they're $100,000 per year. Train Americans, stop bringing in people to take our jobs. That's the policy here.
--:-- Alex Ritson: The president has also introduced a new gold card visa with his face on it, which will see companies sponsor workers for a $2 million price tag. Mr Trump said it will allow people of exceptional value to stay in the US. One of the biggest problems we have is that people, they go to the best schools and they do great and they get great marks and then they're thrown out of the country, you're not allowed to stay.
--:-- Sean: This way a corporation will be able to get them to stay in the country. People will also be able to sponsor themselves for $1 million, which will provide a fast-track option for wealthy foreigners who want to live and work in the US.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Our North America correspondent Peter Bowes told me more about the H-1B visa. This charge is going to kick in almost immediately from this weekend, midnight on Saturday, the new H-1B applications. These are from people outside of the US seeking entry and it's going to happen quickly because this is a presidential proclamation, not a law passed by Congress.
--:-- Peter Bowes: So that means it takes effect on the date the president chooses chooses. And the administration says it's urgent to get this started to protect American workers, as we've just been hearing. And the idea is that companies in this country will be encouraged to train graduates from American colleges, universities, rather than bringing in talent from overseas.
--:-- Peter Bowes: The tech sector was one of Donald Trump's biggest backers when he sought re-election. How will the tech sector take this Well there a lot of concern within the tech industry which was of President Trump's re campaign and it is true that the US faces a growing shortage of talent in technology fields Some of these companies struggling to fill roles in software development especially AI, data science, that kind of thing.
--:-- Peter Bowes: These visas have helped to bridge the gap, really, between the talent gap in this country and what is on offer from overseas by allowing companies to hire the best talent from around the world. and without them, many businesses may well experience slower growth. There could be increased operational costs and some significant challenges in remaining competitive.
--:-- Peter Bowes: So to fill that gap, I think we're going to see greater efforts enforced on them by these companies to help to retrain their own employees to take on new roles, especially in artificial intelligence, cybersecurity, retraining in the long run that may prove more cost-effective, but that's going to take time.
--:-- Alex Ritson: We used to talk about American green cards. Donald Trump has now unveiled the gold card. And there were pictures of it in the Oval Office. It features a portrait of President Trump. So it looks the part. But are corporations really going to stump up $2 million for a visa for one person? Or even an individual forking out $1 million to fast track their entry into the US.
--:-- Peter Bowes: Clearly, many corporations will not be in a position to do this for their employees. But I think some companies may see it as a worthwhile investment if they're seeking to attract and to retain. I think that's the key thing, to retain the best talent from overseas. But it'll be a calculation that they'll have to make, long-term benefits versus the immediate cost of the programme.
--:-- Peter Bowes: Now, the Trump administration hasn't revealed details, but it does seem to be convinced that there are enough companies and individuals prepared to pay these high fees to come to America. In fact, the Commerce Secretary, Howard Lutnick, has suggested that the programme could raise over $100 billion for the US Treasury.
--:-- Peter Bowes: And in fact, he's also said that as of June this year, nearly 70,000 people, individuals worldwide, have registered their interest in the gold card programme.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Meanwhile, President Trump claims to have struck a deal with his Chinese counterpart, Xi Jinping, which would allow TikTok to continue operating in the US. The popular social media platform is facing a ban over national security concerns. It was a major talking point on a phone call between the two leaders.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Our Beijing correspondent Laura Bicker reports. This is only the second call between the two leaders since Donald Trump returned to office and it appears to have laid the groundwork for a meeting next month. The US president wrote on Truth Social that they'd made progress on a number of important issues, including on the approval of a deal to keep TikTok operational in America.
--:-- Laura Bicker: But a summary of the call from Chinese state media did not confirm this agreement. The report only said that President Xi would support consultations to properly resolve the TikTok issue. Mr. Xi also urged his US counterpart to refrain from unilateral trade restrictions.
--:-- Alex Ritson: There are concerns in Washington that TikTok is a national security issue. and that Beijing could use it to influence American viewers. Along with trade tariffs, it's become another source of tension between the two superpowers. Officials from both sides met in Madrid this week and agreed a framework to sell TikTok's US operations to American investors.
--:-- Laura Bicker: But the details of any deal still remain vague.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Here's another reminder to brush your teeth and floss regularly, because a new study suggests poor oral hygiene could triple your risk of developing pancreatic cancer, one of the world's deadliest diseases. Anna Aslam has the details.
--:-- Anna Aslam: Medical experts have long believed that people with poor oral hygiene are more vulnerable to diseases. It's been linked to Alzheimer's and diabetes, and researchers had already identified three types of bacteria in the mouth that cause gum infections and in turn increase the risk of pancreatic cancer.
--:-- Anna Aslam: Now, though, a study from the NYU School of Medicine has discovered another 24 species of bacteria and fungi that effectively hitch a ride in swallowed saliva to the pancreas. Researchers say the entire group of harmful oral microbes could triple the risk of developing cancer.
--:-- Anna Aslam: The team examined data from 900 Americans over nine years and accounted for other factors known to increase cancer risk such as smoking, aging and race. They note that at this point, their findings cannot confirm a direct cause and effect link, but rather a correlation.
--:-- Anna Aslam: However, they hope that studying oral microbiomes could help develop a tool that estimates individual risk and flags up those in need of pancreatic cancer screening. And there's a simple way to help protect yourself, brush and floss regularly.
--:-- Alex Ritson: The French president Emmanuel Macron has climbed up to the belfry of Notre Dame to officially reopen the cathedral's bell towers. Later today, the public will be allowed into the towers for the first time since the Paris landmark was destroyed in a fire.
--:-- Alex Ritson: And there are some brand new features, as Hugh Schofield reports. You could visit the towers before the fire, but now everything is changed. In the words of one curator, what we don't want anymore is just a long climb to a nice view.
--:-- Hugh Schofield: The climb is certainly still there, 424 steps overall, but much of it is on a superb new double spiral staircase. especially constructed from oak which rises inside the south tower.
--:-- Hugh Schofield: It's a chance to see the interior of the belfry and the massive bells named Emmanuel and Marie which ring out on special occasions. On top of the tower nearly 70 metres up there's also still an incomparable view over Paris but also an opportunity to look through a panel at the new roof beams the so-called forest that replaces what was lost in the fire.
--:-- Hugh Schofield: It's a paying visit and numbers are limited to a thousand a day. Booking It's done online and demand will be huge.
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--:-- Alex Ritson: According to a nationwide survey conducted by GeneSight nearly 9 in 10 Americans who been diagnosed with depression or anxiety believe that mental health medications are somewhat or very effective. However, despite that belief, more than half of those individuals say they have avoided taking medication due to concerns about potential side effects.
--:-- Alex Ritson: That's why Dr. Whitney Brown, a family and psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner based in Alabama, often recommends genetic testing to our patients as part of their treatment journey. Dr. Brown explains.
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--:-- Alex Ritson: If you or someone you love is facing challenges with depression or anxiety, Talk to your doctor about how genetic testing may help. To learn more, visit genesight.com. That's genesight.com.
--:-- Alex Ritson: The United States shows no sign of ending its support for Israel and its war on Gaza. The Trump administration is reportedly seeking congressional approval to sell the country around $6 billion worth of military equipment.
--:-- Alex Ritson: News of the proposed sale coincides with Israel's announcement that it will use what it called unprecedented force in its continuing assault on Gaza City. Much of the world is deeply opposed to what Israel is doing in Gaza and the continued occupation of Palestinian territories.
--:-- Alex Ritson: The BDS movement believes international isolation is the best way to make a dent in the Israeli war chest, calling for boycotts, divestment and sanctions. Its co-founder, Omar Barghouti, spoke to Tim Franks.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: Since the beginning of Israel's genocide in 2023 until now, the movement has grown exponentially. Everyone knows today what's happening in the sports field, the calls for excluding Israel from all kinds of sports. Now this is being endorsed by key figures in the sports world.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: In the cultural sphere, you just saw a few days ago, thousands of film artists, many of them in Hollywood, have pledged not to work with complicit Israeli film institutions, corporations, festivals, and so on for the first time in history.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: At the divestment level, we've seen some of the largest pension funds in the world, like the Norwegian Sovereign Fund, divesting from Israel bonds, a vote of no confidence in the Israeli economy, as well as divesting from many Israeli banks and corporations because of their involvement in the apartheid system, as even the Norwegians have called it, or the illegal occupation and settlements.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: But there is a question as to how far a boycott should go. And I mean, there was one particular example earlier this year where there was the Oscar winning film No Other Land, which was produced by an Israeli and several Palestinians.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: and I think most people who saw it, and indeed it got a lot of criticism from inside Israel for this, but most people who saw it around the world saw it as a devastating indictment of the occupation of Palestinians being forced off their land in the southern Hebron hills.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: But BDS put out a statement saying that basically it couldn't back people sort of going to watch the film. It didn't call for an outright boycott, but it did say that there is a risk of this film, to quote, it's a rather contorted phrase, but normalizing normalization in Israel's regime of oppression.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: I mean, you would have thought that it would sort of rather chime with the things that you are concerned about. In the Arab region, and in the Palestinian context, normalization means very quickly making something that is inherently abnormal, appear deceptively normal.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: So any project that even may be against the occupation, let's say, but where the recognition of our basic inherent rights under international law are not recognized, that poses a real problem of dehumanizing us as if we're not equal humans that deserve full equal rights to every other human.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: Just to be clear about this, in order for there to be any project that involves Israelis at all, there needs to be a prior declaration from those Israelis to say that they uphold, you know, the three main pillars? I wouldn't use declaration, acknowledgement. It can be in any form.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: And do you think that that should be extended internationally? Because if people are considering doing projects or inviting, I don't know, speakers to their university campus or whatever, who aren't necessarily Israelis, but who are Jews. No, this doesn't apply. Any kind of act that requires of Jews anything special, exceptional, would be discriminatory.
--:-- Omar Barghouti: BDS opposes all discrimination against all people, regardless of their identity, and this includes anti-Semitism, which we categorically reject.
--:-- Alex Ritson: The UN Security Council has voted to reimpose the sanctions on Iran that were in place before the 2015 nuclear deal. Several countries have accused Tehran of violating the agreement.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Kazra Najib reports. The vote at the UN Security Council effectively draws a line under the 2015 nuclear agreement, the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA, a deal between Iran and five world powers that took three years to negotiate.
--:-- Kazra Najib: It suspended US, European and UN sanctions against Iran in return for a considerable reduction in Iran's nuclear program. In 2019, Iran abandoned the agreement, a year after then-President Donald Trump had done the same.
--:-- Kazra Najib: Since then, Iran has expanded its program at a rate that has alarmed the international community. It has kicked out UN nuclear inspectors and has refused to account for more than 440 kilograms of highly enriched uranium, enough to build 10 nuclear weapons.
--:-- Kazra Najib: If all the UN sanctions return as a result of today's vote, it will be a calamity for Iran, which is already reeling from US sanctions and threats of war.
--:-- Alex Ritson: German trains used to be a watchword for efficiency and punctuality, but for many years now, that reputation has been lost with huge delays and great anger from passengers.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Now, Der Spiegel newspaper is reporting that Deutsche Bahn has been resorting to unorthodox methods to improve its record. Sarah Finn Reiber wrote the article.
--:-- Sarah Finn Reiber: In my investigation, it has come to light that Deutsche Bahn, German's national and state-owned railway operator, occasionally counsels long-distance trains deliberately to improve their punctuality statistics. And this practice is particularly common when trains are severely delayed, which happens a lot in Germany.
--:-- Sarah Finn Reiber: And the reasoning behind this approach is to avoid further worsening to overall punctuality figures for the rail services in Germany. A train is only classified in Germany as delayed if it arrives more than six minutes late. If a train is cancelled entirely, it is excluded from the statistics altogether.
--:-- Sarah Finn Reiber: And from Deutsche Bahn's perspective, this means that a cancel train is effectively treated as a punctual one. And on Tuesday, I came across a train that was scheduled to run from Munich to Hamburg. And due to various issues, it came to a halt in Cologne, central station.
--:-- Sarah Finn Reiber: And the senior dispatcher then decided to cancel the train altogether and wrote in the system, train canceled from Cologne onwards to improve the statistics. And that obviously caught my attention. I started digging further, found other similar cases and realized that this madness is part of a system.
--:-- Sarah Finn Reiber: I think it's mostly done by bad management. In some ways, Deutsche Bahn is kind of East Germany in its final days. But of course, we had the problem in Germany that the German government didn't spend enough money for years, which we can see in the infrastructure as well.
--:-- Sarah Finn Reiber: This is a very crazy way to run a railway, but that's how we do it in Germany. Der Spiegel journalist Serafin Rieber Deutsche Bahn dismissed the claims in his article as incorrect and pointed out that it makes sense to cancel a late train so passengers can switch to one that running on time
--:-- Alex Ritson: If you are the type of owner that thinks your dog is pretty smart, you might want to listen to our next guest. Researchers in Hungary have found that some dogs are able to group objects according to what they're used for, a kind of abstract thinking previously thought to be unique to humans.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Dr Claudia Fugasi from Elter University explained the findings to Oliver Conway. We know that there's a group of dogs that have the ability to learn hundreds of toy names, and we wondered whether they would extend those labels, because humans, that's what we do.
--:-- Dr. Claudia Fugasi: We extended the label, for example, mug, to anything which can contain a liquid and we can drink coffee, and we wondered whether this dog would do the same. And so you divided the toys into ones that were used for pulling games like tug of war or ones that were used for throwing games.
--:-- Dr. Claudia Fugasi: And what did you discover? Exactly. So we did that. And we discovered, first of all, that they could learn the same label. So all of the toys that were used for pulling and the owner would call them pool when playing with them, the toys were identified with the pool label and another group of toys were identified with the fetch label.
--:-- Dr. Claudia Fugasi: But then we gave the dogs a new group of toys that they'd never seen before. And we asked the owners to play consistently with them, either pool or fetch, without saying any name. And we found that the dogs were able to classify those items into the pool or fetch verbally identified categories when asked, bring me a pool or bring me a fetch.
--:-- Dr. Claudia Fugasi: And so what does this tell you about the level of dogs intelligence? Well, I don't use the word intelligence because it's hard to measure and hard to define. But this tells me that these dogs can do something that was considered typically human and also typically related to language learning.
--:-- Dr. Claudia Fugasi: And in the case of humans, it is debated how much language influences the way we think, the way we form categories. I mean, this is a very first step in studying how dogs can categorize items and how dogs extend verbal labels. And especially this is a very limited group of dogs that have this talent.
--:-- Dr. Claudia Fugasi: But this at least tells us that this capacity is not only present in humans, and it can develop naturally in the life of the human family with the dogs. Do you think dogs have picked up this skill through the generations because they have become used to the way humans talk and the way humans act?
--:-- Dr. Claudia Fugasi: No, I don't think so, because this is an ability that is extremely rare. If it was that the dogs have evolved in the human environment, then many more dogs would show the skill. And it is not the case. So there's probably a bunch of factors. We don't exclude that there might be a genetic background to it. We don't exclude that there might be developmental factors, maybe very early exposure to some specific types of talking to the dog or playing with the dog.
--:-- Dr. Claudia Fugasi: We still don't know what are the factors that make it emerge.
--:-- Alex Ritson: It's more than 50 years since the release of the Jamaican film The Harder They Come, the first movie to look at the island's criminal subculture. But it had gentler moments too, and the soundtrack introduced many people to reggae.
--:-- Alex Ritson: Now the Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright Susan Laurie Parks has written a new version for the theatre Vincent Dowd went to meet her.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: In 1972, Jamaica, with almost no film industry, had a hit movie. You can get it if you really want You can get it if you really want The Harder They Come was the first Jamaican film many people had even heard of.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: The sometimes violent story starring Jimmy Cliff did not deal in tourist cliches. You have any money left at all? Don't worry about money, man. After my record... You sold out the record to Hilton for $20. You don't have any more to get. I only have $2 left.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: Now the story has come after a New York run to the Stratford East Theatre in London. The same actor, Natie Jones, plays Ivan, who becomes entangled in crime but has other ambitions.
--:-- Natie Jones: Hello, Kingston! My name is Ivan, and I'm going to make a record, you know. I'm going to be a star! A funky king stunner, oh yeah I really like your style, funky king stunner
--:-- Vincent Dowd: Susan Laurie Parks has reworked the story. A major ambition is to make it less male-dominated with more focus on characters such as Ivan's girlfriend, Elsa. Still set in the early 1970s, in an era where, yeah, in a lot of cultures the women were in the background, police were seen very differently. updating it.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: I mean, I have a theory that if you lift one character, all characters will rise. So that we're lifting up the story of Elsa. I mean, she's really the unsung hero. And Daisy as well, his mother. There are these touchstones, if you will, that he revisits. He gets to experience true love, which I think is a great thing to bring to the story.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: The director in London is Matthew Zia. He thinks the original film from the 70s was a response to the blaxploitation movies coming out of America. It's full of machismo, it's full of bravado. Actually, I don't think that works in the same way in 2025. I mean, the relationship with the police is a very different thing now in a kind of post- or continual Black Lives Matter world.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: So I think they're the questions that are being pushed through this work now. We'll shine, I'm gonna get my share now What's mine? When I was interviewed for the job, which is how these things come about, I said, if I am privileged enough to get my hands on this production, I will bring an almost entirely Caribbean team of people together to make it, because I think there's something about a personal relationship with the work.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: I want everybody to care about it as much as I do. The video designer, the lighting designer, the costume designer, the set designer, everybody. I just think it means that people handle the work with a different degree of sensitivity and care and pride.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: For many fans, the harder they come will always mean, above all, the songs on the soundtrack, which Susan, Laurie and Matthew have expanded for London audiences. This is such an inspiring bunch of actors and production team and working with Matthew, so inspiring.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: So we got to that point, an inspiring bunch inspires bunches. And I was inspired to write another song for the show. Funky Kingston we've added by Toots and the Maytals, which are all coming out of the same period in time. Got Hard Road to Travel, You Can Get It If You Really Want, the harder they come, many rivers to cross, rivers of Babylon.
--:-- Vincent Dowd: I mean, multi-generational Caribbean families bringing their children in their teens and their grandparents in their... People were singing in the audience. People were singing along with the songs. That was really beautiful.
--:-- Alex Ritson: And that's all from us for now, but there'll be a new edition of the Global News Podcast later. If you want to comment on this podcast or the topics covered in it, you can send us an email. The address is globalpodcast at bbc.co.uk. You can also find us on X at BBC World Service. Use the hashtag Global News Pod.
--:-- Alex Ritson: This edition was mixed by Holly Smith and the producers were Anna Aslam and Wendy Urquhart. The editor is Karen Martin. I'm Alex Ritson. Until next time, goodbye.
