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--:-- John Bickley: Welcome to Morning Wire, I'm John Bickley.
--:-- Georgia Howe: And I'm Georgia Howe.
--:-- John Bickley: It's Saturday, January 25th. Today, we're discussing President Trump's executive action on gender and DEI. Joining us is Kristen Wagoner, President and CEO of Alliance Defending Freedom. Welcome to the show, Kristen.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: Thanks for having me.
--:-- Georgia Howe: Kristen, let's start big picture. We just witnessed a historic inauguration. The biggest political comeback in American history is now complete. In terms of the larger issues that your organization is really concerned with, what does this mean for the future of the country in the coming four years?
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: We're thrilled with the promises that President Trump has made with regard to the revolution of common sense. He referred to that in his inaugural speech, that we're going to return back toward reality, toward common sense and the rule of law. And I think what it means for practical purposes is that he is intending to use the federal government to ensure we eradicate a toxic ideology that has wreaked havoc on Americans, both in terms of safety, opportunities, and freedom.
--:-- John Bickley: Yeah, let's unpack that. I know that gender ideology has been a key priority for your group. The Daily Wire has also been focused very heavily on this issue. What are we seeing coming from the Trump administration on gender-related policies?
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: The Trump administration has issued a number of executive orders that deal with gender identity as well as censorship and DEI in the federal government. And all of those come together to essentially restore the legal and scientifically sound definition of sex in federal law, meaning that we are created male and female and that sex is neither chosen nor changed.
--:-- Georgia Howe: And that will have tremendous implications, both on women's rights with regard to sports, fairness, privacy, locker rooms, also what our children are being taught and in numerous other areas.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: The Biden administration aggressively pushed progressive gender ideology. How much has that impacted schools, local organizations? How pervasive has this actually been?
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: Well, at Alliance Defending Freedom, we have represented scores of female athletes that have been deprived not only of fairness on the athletic field, but also privacy in locker rooms, in dorm rooms, in showers, and safety. We also have represented students who have been deprived of free speech and counselors and teachers who have been compelled to use pronouns that don't reflect biological truth.
--:-- Georgia Howe: And we've even seen schools that have been deprived of certain funding mechanisms because of this ideology.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: President Trump has issued an order telling the agencies in the executive branch that they must stop infusing all of these areas of federal law with this notion that we are created something other than male or female.
--:-- John Bickley: Do we expect to still see states like California undermine this effort or are there federal levers that can be used to push back against these attempts to cram down this ideology?
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: I guarantee you, you'll see states like California, New York, Washington state try to undermine these executive orders. And because of the way that our system of government is set out, there will be bad states that will continue to try to undermine the rights of American citizens. And there will be litigation that continues. But the difference here is they can no longer say that federal law requires this in terms of the agency action.
--:-- Georgia Howe: And now the power of the federal government in all of the places that it shows up is actually on the opposite side of this fight.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: And in addition, the Trump administration can go a step further, and it can deprive institutions as well as state governments of federal funding when they refuse to recognize biological reality and common sense.
--:-- John Bickley: From a legal perspective, does the federal government coming out so heavily against this ideology, does that further expose these sort of local entities, the school boards, et cetera, to legal ramifications for promoting something that could be seen as dangerous or unfair to women and girls?
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: It should do so, assuming that the administrative agencies are putting teeth in these actions. So again, the way that the government works is the executive branch, the president sets the agenda and tells the agencies what to do. And it's the agencies then that create the guidance and enforce what the president has said in federal law.
--:-- Georgia Howe: So it will be critical that the agencies follow this direction and put real teeth into this by denying federal funding and by going after those states and those educational institutions that are not honoring the rights of Americans in this area.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: Now, Alliance Defending Freedom has been fighting on this front for a while now. Are you guys seeing progress, generally speaking, in terms of the legal arguments against gender ideology?
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: We are seeing progress, but there still is an uphill battle. My hope is that we're turning the corner on this issue. We've been fighting it for over 10 years now with regard to bathrooms, locker rooms, and more recently, eight or so years on the sports front. I think we're turning the page.
--:-- John Bickley: But again, we have half of the states that have adopted laws to protect women and girls in sports as an example, and these are state laws, those are being challenged and argued that they are unconstitutional.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: So those cases will continue, but we will continue now to have the federal government on the side of women and girls rather than against us.
--:-- Georgia Howe: I also think we can't possibly underestimate the importance of the federal government saying there are two sexes and that you cannot choose nor change biological reality because that will play out in many different ways across the government.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: And it will stop the social engineering that we've been seeing that's happening through the power of the federal government.
--:-- John Bickley: Now, you mentioned at the top that DEI is a big part of what the Trump administration is trying to weed out. That's something the Biden administration heavily focused on in a way we've never seen before. What kinds of actions from Trump are we seeing there? And what do we expect in the coming years?
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: The executive order that President Trump issued on DEI is so critical because it removes DEI from federal government policies. And he was right to do so because DEI essentially is an attempt to socially engineer gender ideology and race into every facet of American life.
--:-- Georgia Howe: And the very first step to take that back and to, as President Trump said, have a revolution of common sense is to, again, rid the government of DEI programs because it's a proven failure.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: It introduces risk, legal risk. It eliminates people advancing on the basis of merit, and it destroys unity, which President Trump has said is a high priority for him.
--:-- John Bickley: Now, we at The Daily Wire are very interested in the intersection of politics and culture. We're very much believers in politics being downstream of culture, and that we have to not only fight against forces cramming down dangerous policies but we have to build and shape culture.
--:-- Georgia Howe: How have cultural shifts influenced the issues of gender and DEI? They been profoundly impactful.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: I would say that law and culture work together. You can't have one without the other, and one doesn't necessarily lead the other, but they both impact one another.
--:-- John Bickley: And so I would just say, especially the work that the Daily Wire has done has been so critical in our efforts, as an example, on the gender identity front, because the principle that you're establishing in the court before the Supreme Court or a principle you're establishing in a state or a federal law, it has to be plausible to the American people.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: It has to make sense to them. And Daily Wire, for example, has been one of the first that has come out and spoken clearly, succinctly, and without fear, with courage on the importance of biological reality.
--:-- Georgia Howe: When the law doesn't recognize the biological differences between men and women, families get hurt. And most importantly, women and girls will suffer not only from equal opportunities, but they will lose their rights.
--:-- John Bickley: Final question. We've seen a flurry of activity from the Trump administration and his opening salvo on reshaping the federal government. What else are you seeing in terms of this new administration's priorities?
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: I think of all of the priorities that he set out, they come back to one primary theme, which I would say is he's recognizing the stifling authoritarianism that we've seen at home here in the United States and that we're witnessing abroad.
--:-- Georgia Howe: Members of our international team have also said, you know, the entire world is watching right now and they are rooting for Americans and for President Trump to turn the corner on a moment throughout the world that wants to return to the concept of inalienable rights, that wants to return to the rule of law and to a government that recognizes common sense values.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: So whether that's on immigration and what's happening at the border, whether it's weaponization of the federal government and the justice system against one's enemies, as we have seen, to censorship, which President Trump has said is a high priority for him to stop.
--:-- John Bickley: The world is watching. And what is most important now is what happens next. And I think the whole world is cheering for him and his administration to follow through on its promises in these areas.
--:-- Georgia Howe: Well, there's massive anticipation heading into this week and now very high hopes for what's ahead. Kristen, thank you so much for talking with us.
--:-- Kristen Wagoner: Thanks for having me.
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