Weenie of the Roundtable: Friday, February 20th, 2026

Good morning, girlies, it's the Toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast-fired things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly, it's the Toast. They sound amazing. Welcome back to the Toast and happy, oh, that's right, Friday. What time is it? Friday. It's our vacation. What time is it? Time of our lives. School's out. Scream, shout. They didn't have to go so hard with that song. Welcome back to the Tours. Every Friday feels like the beginning of summer. That's beautiful. Especially when you're living in Florida. Because we have a little summer break this weekend. That's unbelievably beautiful. We're going to go to the beach, the pool. Yes. Dip, dock, dodge, dove, and dive. Yes, we are. I was going to say like dive, but we're also going to dip, duck, dodge, dive, and dive. Now, usually we sort of like ease into the weekend, but I feel like we have a lot to do today on the episode front. We do. Real Housewives of Beverly Hills, did you watch? Of course. Traitors. Oh, no, I forgot. Kidding. You got me. She's a traitor. We got another throwaway vote. Oh, my God. Last night's episode was actually like an exercise in how to be a loser. Like, it was insane. We were so close. Oh, my God. We were so close. to like vindication and like everything that you know we are with the worst candidate like players left and admittedly so they'll all say they're the worst even though they all say natalie's so smart or whatever right um stop natalie's speech like made me cry they're disgusting i fucking hate these people let's save all the spoilers for the tv recap along with real housewives of beverly hills we also have queenie and weenie and then we also just have like two fabulous gals being fabulous talking about pop culture yes that is what we do for a living talking about themselves Yeah, today's kind of a big day. I mean, it is, what, the 20th, right? Yes. So I wanted to have this, you know, little speech on the 21st, but it's a Saturday. Ruby's turning nine months. On the 21st. Nine months in, nine months out. Even though it's like 10 months, I will be making a speech regardless. Oh, wow. Where has the time gone? I think that Harry just turned four. And I was like, it's Harry's turn. I'm sorry. Nine months is bigger than four. Like, do you agree? Nine months is like, it's basically the same as a year. Yes. And yes I not here to continue So oh my God I literally going to try not to cry I was like crying last night Nine months in nine months out I just wanted to use this moment as a marker you know the selfless queen that I am for others If you find yourself pregnant right now and like freaking or wondering like, should I? Is this life for me? Let me tell you, it's for you. And if you're worried, you should only be worried that your life has sucked so much until this point. okay like oh my god it's the most amazing thing like yes life is different of course are we out shaking our titties on yachts no it so doesn't matter you guys like it's the best most amazing thing ever your life like begins now and of course if this life is not for you your life is great too you know i'm not i feel like the childless people and then the child full people like are always combating with one or like i don't give a fuck that's not what i'm talking about this is a statement you're not here to knock anyone you're just here to uplift people who might be on the fence on tiktok like child free women and child full women are always battling one another and i'm like girl they always think the other's talking about them yeah i'm not talking about you and you're not talking about me like we're good so sorry anyway i just had to like you're talking to people who are on the fence and also people who are nervous who like expect that one day they're gonna have kids but you're always just like am i ready i don't feel ready no of course like i loved my life so much it was like a very hard decision for me i always know i wanted to have kids everyone has been watching you on the show for seven years you've been married the entire time that you were on the toast and like you just didn't feel ready. I didn't feel ready and I was like kind of like really gonna miss my life like I had this amazing life like I got to do whatever I wanted like you know I had a lot of disposable income that I could just do whatever I wanted with like there was no one to tell me no and while that was amazing of course and can't wait to get back there one day um this 32.0 is it's just the best thing in the whole world so and maybe someone out there needed to hear that so I just wanted to say just a little encouragement nine months in nine months out are you gonna post like a nine months no because like I don't have any pictures from nine months in yeah and from nine months out yeah like no well you could do like something from the toast like a clip of you on the toast nine months in that's the thing it's like sometimes I feel like I don't like capture like an edit for me yeah of tourney like a Taylor Swift song or something yeah yeah sometimes I feel like I don't capture enough content I'm like I actually capture content like hours long every single week well oh that of course but I thought you were talking about like the struggle of being people who don't share their kids on instagram oh that's a different struggle but no i'm like actually what do you mean i just made an hour long video we have clips i know i know we are two of the funniest people and i know us offline when i tell you there are two more caring charitable generous people Yeah Mazel tov to you Thank you so much And mazel tov to you as well Thank you. Four is a big deal. It's also just like four years of me being a mom. Not only having a four-year-old, but I've been doing it. It's important to center yourself on your kids' milestones because it's also about you. Well, no, but like only just for Harry. Like when Charlie has a birthday, like I was still, it's not like I was a mom for two years. Right, right. Four, I guess then I'll have been a mom of two for three years. But I've been doing it for years. And shout out to me. Shout out to us. What's that speech? Shout out to me. I want to thank me. Yeah. Do it. Someone will know the reference. It evades me. What else? I watched so much TV last night. Yeah, I was doing my homework last night. We played Maj yesterday. We did play Maj yesterday. I didn't know if you wanted to talk about it. Because I didn't win and Jackie won so many times. I just like slayed Maj. Maybe my brain is coming back. Maybe that's what's happening. Probably not. I think I just had a good day. Listen, some days you have it and some days you don't. Yeah, I'm like so excited to Maj with my wits about me. Like I can't even tell you. I'm scared. And when I'm not like sweating the whole time. Okay, but just so you know, I wasn't breastfeeding. I was sweating the whole time yesterday too. Maj is sweaty game. It's a lot of brain activity. And I think that burns calories. And stress. And it's a lot. Your body's working overtime. Except like the Maj snacking needs to stop. Like it's insane how much we snack. Yeah. Like I sat down with a bowl of nonpareils. Like that's fucking crazy. Yeah. For me, like that's my sweet treat. And I'm unlimited in what I can take down. But when I am, like the good thing about when I Maj after I'm done breastfeeding is I'll have my wits, but I won't be snacking. Like I won't have that. I'll be hitting the fruit, you know. Yucky. Maybe a couple celery sticks. You know, I hate to be that girl, but like we have so much to do today. Yeah. And all the stories. The stories are not groundbreaking, but interesting. Not groundbreaking. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like they are just interesting little bits and bobs of what the peeps are up to. Speaking of a conversation. That would be a great title. Do you think people would want to listen to that episode? It's a little long. Interesting little bits and bobs of what the peeps are up to. How about just bits and bobs? Is that clickbaity enough? Oh my God. We saw something yesterday. It was like one of our titles from, I don't even know when, someone like wrote it out. Couch Potatoes Deserve Love Too. Okay title today Couch Potatoes Deserve Love Too part two And I think I know what we were referring to kevin fetterline i sorry they not two more funnier charitable when i saw that i was like we titled something that that's hysterical stuff our titles are insane yeah we just we get very not to not to zoom out yeah let's zoom it's a friday it's just like when we do this show like we just get very in the weeds with it and it's funny to see it at a glance sometimes but i'm glad we chose that title because like it was clearly such an impactful conversation. I knew what we were talking about even today. It really summed up. And I think it was about his memoirs. Yeah, he gets a really bad rap. Like at the end of the day, yes, he's a couch potato who like, you know, just lives off of Britney's child support. But he did raise those kids. Yeah. Just as a couch potato. Memoirs of a fetter line. He's kind of an inspiration to me. That's goals for you? To be a like successful parent who's also a full-time couch potato. And who's getting money. Yeah. Passive income. But like wherever it's coming from. I love that. Goals. Yeah. For women everywhere. Kevin Federline. Inspiration. Businessman of the week. Oh my God. Next week we're going to have to anoint another business. No. What we had said was that let's not like hold ourselves to having to have a businessman every week because then the segment will become like annoying and monotonous. When a businessman impresses us, like he will replace his fellow. But I have a businessman of the week. I actually do. Who? Okay. do not i forgot his name oh okay so he's so he's definitely businessman of the week i wonder who it is it's axel dumas who the hell is that okay you're gonna love this he's the ceo of air maze okay which of course of course oh yeah that's a great way to become but he's like one of the very few people who was named several several times in the epstein files and is coming out looking like a hero epstein like for like a couple years long period became obsessed with meeting him he was at um like a play or something and he very quickly met him and then he starts emailing everyone he knows woody and soon ye lex of course being like i need to meet with axel dumas so there are a million emails of his him emailing his assistant telling his assistant what to say to axel's assistant they get axel's assistant's information from woody and soon ye the assistant it's like clearly um like so meticulously written keeps avoiding him like does not want to be seen with him, does not agree to meet with him, like multiple times over years long, like literally from like 2010 to 2014 he recently gave an interview saying he over years long um like literally from like 2010 to 2014 he recently gave an interview saying he believes that Epstein was targeting him for something um and he just he knew that he was a bad guy and just said no oh wow did you see the same is true for Joe Rogan no Joe Rogan is in his name came up because Epstein wanted to meet him and one of the guests that Joe had on his show was trying to broker oh my god like was gonna make the intro and Joe was like I don't want to meet him he's like i googled him and i was like yucky yeah it's so crazy how there's like so few people who did it axel dumont ceo of hermes now i feel good spending all that money oh let's go get birkins if only they would let us you know or perhaps the businessmen of the week could send us to i'm looking i think i'm ready for a mini kelly you know i think i'm ready for like a seriously i'm not axel if you no no but like if you're like what would these girls like i don't i've just been introduced to them i don't know them yeah i actually um i have a mini kelly I would like a Kelly like 25. Oh, we should switch. You do? Yeah. Okay. Color, I'm open for sure. I'm thinking gold hardware. You're so annoying. Yeah. Let's get a printed picture of Axel Dumas and we'll keep him in the frame until he sends us Perkins. Okay. You guys, without further ado, here are the fast five stories that you to do need to know. Today's episode of The Toast is brought to you by Croissant. Croissant helps you shop smarter by putting resale value back into shopping. so you can buy better, not more. When you shop with Croissant, you earn 10% back and you can resell your items later through Croissant for even more value. So Croissant rewards thoughtful shopping, not impulse buying. You're going to earn 10% back when you shop and even more when you resell. Resale is built in. There's no listing, there's no haggling, and most importantly, there is no hassle. So it's really going to help you think about what things are worth. 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And now Fora is like actually helping you do that. Now it's time to finally turn your passion for travel into a very fulfilling business with Fora. Become a Fora advisor today at ForaTravel.com slash toast. That's F-O-R-A Travel.com slash toast. Make sure to tell them that we sent you by using that link. ForaTravel.com slash T-O-A-S-T. Our first story is some sad news. Very, very sad news. Eric Dane, star of Grey's Anatomy and Euphoria, has died at the age of 53, nearly one year after announcing his ALS diagnosis. This is so sad. So sad. Eric Dane, AK McSteamy. We, I don't know him from that. What do you know him from? I know him from euphoria but he like he definitely has other smaller I like a much later thing for him Yeah but he such a familiar face I feel like he was in like a Walk to Remember or something. Let's do our favorite activity. IMDB. And honor his body of work, shall we? I love that. Marley and Me. Oh, so good. So Valentine's Day. Everyone was in that though. Yeah, it's like kind of embarrassing if you weren't. Yeah. what else i don't know these movies but i'm so familiar with him yeah he's just one i guess like it's really gray's anatomy i'm sorry we're disgusting burlesque oh of course marshall his name is marshall right x p r e s s Yes. Oh, yeah. Such a good movie. Made left such a madeleine. Mark made better by Eric Dane's performances like the chilling developer and teaching us about air rights. OK, raise your hand if you only know what air rights are because of the movie Burlesque and Eric Dane's body of work. Me. Correct. I was like literally talking about air rights the other day. They're very important. Especially in the city when you buy apartments or you rent apartments for views. Well, it's like, what are the air rights? Could a big tower go right in front of my apartment? I feel like you can't get air rights in New York City. They're pre-established. Because everyone's just building everywhere. But look out for air rights. Thank you, Eric Dane. Also, Euphoria. Grey's Anatomy, I think, is the biggest one. I think at one point in my life I watched Grey's Anatomy because I'm like, I know McSteamy and McDreamy. I feel like I gave it a shot. You don't ever feel like that? No, I know for a fact. and like it's something I'm kind of proud of. It's like I've never seen one minute of that show. Not even a clip. Like nothing. Nothing? Oh, I get a lot of clips now. Oh, sorry. I've seen a clip. Do you get those clips? Like I get a lot of like medical show clips where it's like someone comes in. For a diagnosis. It's like a four minute clip and I have to watch the whole thing. Yeah, of course. I didn't realize that trend finally made its way to real. Oh, no, no. It's been happening for a while and I was losing a lot of time watching like movies quickly on Instagram. That's why I started watching Young Sheldon. From clips? because I was getting full episodes in like three separate clips. And I was like, you know what? The show looks kind of good. Interesting. Yeah, it like inspires. And I'm sorry, I have seen a clip from Grey's Anatomy. There's like a famous episode where they like weirdly decide to make it a musical. You know, they've done so many episodes, you just like have to keep doing stuff. And Chay, Sarah Ramirez, Chay from NJPW, episode where they like weirdly decide to make it a musical. episode where they like weirdly decide to make it a musical. You know, they've done so many episodes. You just like have to keep doing stuff. And Che, Sarah Ramirez, Che from And Just Like That, someone's like dying in the hospital and she starts singing to them. All of these lines across my face. Like, don't ask me why I know that. I've never seen the show. I don't know if she's like a regular or she's just made a cameo, but all those lines across her face. I love that. And he was married to Rebecca Gayhart. Yeah. I don't know who that is. you don't yes you do that's so sad i saw a picture of his family he has two beautiful daughters um but i didn't recognize his wife you would know her she's a famous actress and they are still married she's in jawbreaker oh who does she play she plays one of them girls i killed liz i killed the teen dream deal with it this is on the left she was like a sidekick no she was like one of the girls three yeah i killed liz i killed that movie was so fucking crazy yeah it was and very good so good yeah that was like a genre of like films we watched when we were kids that we were like a little too young to be watching they were like old school like why were we watching so many times don't tell mom the babysitter's dead like that was a movie from like 10 years before we were born i'm right on top of that rose so good so good i killed liz i killed the teen dream deal with it she was so crazy for that who played the main girl the killer rose um yes rose rose it's me too rose no no roseburn what's her name i could look it up again hold on well that's so crazy that that's her she like she shaved her head rose mcgowan yes i killed liz i killed the teen dream deal with that julie greer is in it judy greer i love julie too that's her sister what the fuck isn't judy greer in she's a queen uh she's lucy greer now oh she's lucy wyman now like seriously so sad about eric yes very very als is so sad it is and he came out with his diagnosis 10 months ago so it's been 10 months since i mean we don't know how long he's been suffering the upcoming season of euphoria so there's they're filming it currently no it's i think it's done because we saw a trailer i have no idea that's you're the euphoria Spokesperson You covered the Euphoria beat I literally covered the Euphoria beat Yeah like You our on the ground Euphoria reporter Okay is Eric Dane in Euphoria season 3 It only going to be season 3 Of the show that yes he filmed a few episodes of the upcoming um and whose dad does he play nate he like very toxic masculinity spoiler alert he also gay jacob lordy his dad oh oh so he's like you gotta be good at sports and fuck a lot of girls and he's over here like you know is he in the closet yeah of course but um like they found out at the end oh okay but he's not like living his life as a gay like I haven't watched the show so you're saying to me like he's gay no no he has like a wife and a family at home and he just like you know cruises at night got it okay with someone like the local teens god very inappropriate that is inappropriate well speaking of Jacob Elordi our next story is about Jacob Elordi because he's allegedly been offered the role of James Bond okay in Dennis Villeneuve's Bond 26 so a big question in pop culture. Like, who's the next Carrie Underwood? Who's the next James Bond? Why are we always talking about who's the next Carrie Underwood? Don't you feel like... Like, she's not dead. Always talking about who's the next Carrie Underwood. She's not dead. When we talk about, like, it's literally like Nashville. Like, rising stars in country. I guess we sometimes say, like, who's the next Taylor Swift? I guess, but, like, I feel like as a society, we all do that. No, it's just us. Okay. I was just trying to, like, No, it's us. It's us. We're the problem. But everyone else is always asking who's the next James Bond. And they like never tell us, but I thought they chose Aaron. Yeah, the guy with the older wife. With the 50-year-old wife. I thought they chose him. Yeah, I think they did too. But maybe there's like a rival Bond because you said it's like Guillermo Del... It's called Bond 26. But yeah, as speculation continues over who will succeed Daniel Craig as 007, what about Aaron? Oh, several actors have been linked to the role, including Aaron Taylor Johnson, Tom Holland. Oh, but that wasn't confirmed. I'm sorry not to be mean but like Tom Holland cannot be James Bond like you I'm sorry you can't be everything no but they just like need other names to like fluff up the story but they're doing Jeopardy they're doing Jeopardy now we need to come up with like a verb that me like what Jeopardy did with their host we're like we were so excited to see like after Alex Trebek died like who would pass the torch they waited so long they tried so many people it's low-key what Jenna and friends did they did it too long now with Bond where we all stopped caring like we would like there was a when we cared so much who was hosting Jeopardy, who was replacing Hoda, who was gonna be Bond. And now like so many rumors, so many stories, years and years, I actually don't care anymore. And I don't think whoever's gonna be Bond next, it's like Bond is over. I in shock that Aaron Taylor Johnson didn come out with the Bond movie I thought the movie came out Right and now it like the Bond after Johnson No it the Bond after Craig Daniel Craig which is literally so long ago It's so long ago. And them making bonds with Daniel Craig while he was like seriously on life alert, like they just, they handled the whole thing poorly. So what do you think about Jacob Elordi as the next James Bond? Well, yeah, I mean, I actually like an obvious choice. like yeah is he british yeah australian okay so he has an accent oh yeah sorry americans can't do it even though miles teller's grandma said he could remember that well if he said if she said it when people were talking about miles teller maybe it's one of my favorite toast clips we have to post it it's like from five years ago when miles teller was like his name was being thrown around back when like we were talking about bond again literally five years ago um people were talking about miles teller and like a lot of people were like he can't like he can't do it because he's American and his grandma took to Twitter being like well you know he could talk like British and it's like well yeah he's an actor like yeah I would support Miles Teller as Bond one thing about me I support Miles Teller period yeah so Jacob Elordi sure I mean we could be good for Olivia I do feel like even though Jacob they're not no I like saw him spotted with another girl twice the same girl twice I feel like even though Jacob has like a couple Olivia moved to New York City. Big projects under his belt like he's now Wuthering Heights, Frankenstein. Yeah. I just feel like his role like he's still up in the air. It's a little stifling like it's a full time thing. I'm sure Daniel Craig did other projects between nothing impressive or remarkable. I saw him in a play that was so horrible. He did Knives Out. That was after Bond. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? In between Bond. Oh. You are Bond. It's your whole thing. You don't do stuff outside of it. I think anyone would like jump at the chance to just like be Bond. That's all you're going to be. You don't like win Oscars or anything. So I feel like Jacob Lordy is like on the Oscar track. Oh, fine. It's like very commercial. It's very Tom Cruise. I don't know. I'm like worried about Jacob Lordy. I just feel like he doesn't have like staying power. I can't, I can't explain. Oh, you're worried about him? Yeah. Well, maybe you should see Wuthering Heights because there's a lot of Oscar buzz like saying like this is like. Oh, really? I guess I haven't seen him in anything since The Kissing Booth. So maybe that's why I'm worried. I'm like, what is he going to do next? If he didn't get nominated for an Oscar from the Kissing Booth, he has no hope to ever because that was the greatest acting performance of all time, especially in the movie, too. We had to act like he didn't fucking hate Joey King after they broke up. Yeah. Like the way that the Kissing Booth was the best movie I ever seen is crazy Second to To All the Boys I Loved Before Well you saw it before To All the Boys And then after To All the Boys everyone was like Kissing Booth stunk And it's like, why can't they just both have been good? The Kissing Booth started this like insane genre on Netflix where they had to like beat it dead for two years of like young adult, sometimes adapted from books, but not always. Always starring Jacob Elordi or Noah Centineo. And the different, like the paths that they both took are so different. Remember the one where he blind dates the girl? Sierra Burgess Yeah, Sierra Burgess is a loser What about Tall Girl? Remember that one? No, where Sierra Burgess was tall? It was about a tall girl I think that was the name of the movie Tall Girl, you saw it That was such a crazy time Do you remember Peter Kaminsky? Yeah, look, it's called Tall Girl Sabrina's in it She was a little friend I miss Sabrina's acting era I know Well, she's going to be Alice in Wonderland actually is that confirmed yeah i thought it was like fan no i think it's pretty confirmed you don't remember tall girl no i must have been very tall oh actually i'm sorry of course i remember tall girl it just hit me like a truck i just want to say like in hindsight i'm sure we all were like i'm gonna watch tall girl in hindsight that's like an insane name for her movie i know because it's just like her only thing was that she was tall and it's an insane concept and it's like okay we've made ya movies now let's make it tall no no and every like they were really inclusive like there was a lot of representation like i remember like the korean community was obsessed with all the boys i love before like their cuisine was put on like everyone was like talking about like how amazing their snacks were remember those yogurts were selling out at like h marks across the country and so it's like then they had to do tall like it was crazy it was a crazy time i do think it slowed down oh yeah they don't make movies like that anymore but i just want to say i loved that time yeah i loved those movies and i was like almost 30 watching a rush to make them yes yes it was like an avalanche they all like are mixed up in my mind except for kissing booth and to all the boys i loved before and like prom remember or f the prom no i feel like i've saw more of them than you did it was like it's your genre like bad movies it's my favorite oh what was the one maybe it was prom No, there was another one. She's all that? No, no, no, no, no. And we found it to be like a little anti-Semitic. Oh, of course, where the villain was. Of course we did. Can't be meant as they went to like a private school in Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And we found it to be like a little anti-Semitic. And we found it to be like a little anti-Semitic. Oh, of course, where the villain was wearing a vest. Of course we did. Oh, Cami Mendes, they went to like a private school in Miami. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Sophie Turner was in it, right? Wait, hold on. Let me look at Cami Mendes' body. And Sophie Turner. And like the villain was like this like rich kid who was always wearing a Star of David necklace. It was anti-Semitic for sure. Oh, do revenge. Wow. With like Maya Hawke. Oh, yeah. Maya Hawke. Yeah. Cami Mendes was in a lot of these too You know Dream roll Yeah The Perfect Date I think I was with Noah Centennial There were so many Noah Centennial ones Oh my god That was so funny That was funny Are you ready for our next story That's actually kind of adjacent To what we're discussing Okay A new book adaptation has been cast Emily's Henry's Beach Read Will Star Enough with Emily fucking Henry Will star Phoebe Denver. Whatever. You didn't read Beat Reed. I did. Which one was that? I read a lot of them. They were on a beach in Michigan and there were neighbors. She went back to her home and she fixed it up. Why wouldn't I have read Beat Reed? I read Happy People. Beat Reed was the first that made Emily Henry really popular. So then you read what came out next that was really buzzy. People We Meet on Vacation is where you started with her. Yeah, maybe. I mean, I could check my Goodreads. Actually, you know what I will? what was it called beach read you didn't read it I know you didn't really yeah you know because I'm always like I liked beach reading or like I didn't read it really I feel like I hated it I actually liked it I remember chuckling a couple times it's like totally cute no I didn't read it rom-com I've just had enough of Emily Henry like somebody lied to everyone I don't know why everyone's been brainwashed into thinking any of these books are good I actually liked the people meet on vacation movie so that bodes well for beach read movie okay so phoebe denver and then who's the romantic lead uh we don't know yet but how do you feel about phoebe denver why are you saying her name like that i'm trying the different ways there's a lot of letters in her last name denver what how do you spell it d-y-n-e-v-o-r denver denver diamond of the season she kind of fell off don't you feel like we always talk about how like Ray J. Jean-Paul fell off because he left that show to like pursue other things. Well really she stayed and it didn really do much for her Maybe there a Bridgerton curse Yeah I kind of feel that Same with Game of Thrones No the second season the lead Kate her name was Kate or is her name Kate in real life? A very beautiful girl. She also went nowhere. The Viscount Who Loved Me? Simone Ashley. Is that the Viscount Who Loved Me? But Jonathan Bailey. But he was famous before. But Jonathan Bailey. He was famous before. He had a huge like a theater career. Was he? Yeah, he was. He was. You'll be happy to be there dancing through life down at the oz dust if only because dust is why we come to nothing matters but knowing nothing matters dancing through life literally the best scene in that first movie yeah when he was like kicking soundtrack again i always listen to dancing oh my god when he was like twinkle toes on that wood plank oh i literally like that was the happiest I've ever been since Be Our Guest and Beauty and the Beast. Also, for this movie, it's the same director. So they're kind of like copy pasting people we meet on vacation. OK, you know what? I think it's good. People we meet on vacation was hella cute. Yeah, I think just like we used to be in the YA romance movie whole, I think right now we're in the YA book adaptation whole. That's fine. Can we just choose some other authors? There are so many good books out there. Yeah. Like Megan Quinn. Somebody adapt a Megan Quinn book if you care. What's Megan Quinn? She's like smut queen. Like everybody thinks Tessa Bailey. No. And where does it happen one summer? Where's our movie? Where are all the books that like got adapted? I don't know. And why do like particular ones make it to the finish line when others don't? I don't know. I wish I understood like how this worked more. Yeah. Are you ready for our next story? It's some more like content news. Okay. Chelsea Handler is going to develop a Hulu comedy series about a washed up reality star. So Hulu is developing a comedy series from Zoe Young that has Chelsea Handler attached to executive produce and potentially star. The potential series is called Townhouse. Per the official logline, the show follows a washed-up reality star and her live-in entourage of misfits as they scramble to rehab her image and reboot her career. When her estranged daughter unexpectedly moves into their crumbling Manhattan townhouse, the TV has-been is confronted with the one role she spent her entire life avoiding, motherhood. Now, I've got five words for you. Cut Sonia Morgan, her check. clearly inspired by her life story. Don't you think? The townhouse? Like, come on. I guess just the townhouse Reality star Washed up band of misfits like all of her interns Yeah Like this is so sonia morgan coded oh i guess you don think so no because like she became a reality star in the townhouse okay it's not it's not no but i don't like no because i just don't know it doesn't feel that way to me but if you always like don't support my calls that's no yeah that's like when you scratch when your call scratches the itch i'll let you know sure because i support your calls and you don't support mine do you want blind support for your calls no i just think you don't see me i know we're having we had this competition already you just don't see me that's why you don't see my calls but i see you from the inside out everything you say i agree with because i see you so why don't you agree that that calls not good that what that that call is not good because the call is coming from inside the house bitch this sounds cute yeah cute like throwback to chelsea handler i like you know forgot but no she doesn't act does she no she's like a commentator. So this would be her foray into acting. This reminds me of, sorry, you know what? It reminds me of that show that you loved with the brothers. Let me think. The show that I love. Oh, with the siblings. The other two. Yeah. Five words. Bring back the other two. I can't. Did you ever watch it? Yeah, I watched some of it. Fucking hysterical. Yeah. That was such a weird. I know they had like an investigation, toxic workplace. Like seriously, I don't give a fuck. Like I don't give a fuck. Is that what happened? Yeah, there was like, it ended so abruptly. And it wasn't the biggest show ever on HBO, but it was pretty big. And it had a really like insane following. And it seemed so random because it was gaining a lot of momentum. That's also why the first season was good. And then the second season was really, you know. And so a show with so much momentum, like why you would nip it in the bud. They have so much crap on HBO. And then there was like a report that there was an investigation into the showrunner. And like the show was a toxic workplace and yada yada. Harassment, one or the other. But does it not remind you of this a little bit? the vibe kind of just because it's what like about the industry yeah and like you know I love shows that are outcast downtrodden industry discards yeah well the yeah yeah industry discards I love that um I love shows about the industry like Entourage obviously Hacks Hacks like that's a little bit more satirical I love shows about the industry you should watch industry no because that's about a different industry like finance what Are you sure? Yeah. Yeah. I watched the first episode of Industry. I told you I also got confused because I thought it was the first episode of, um, what's the Apple one with Adam that everybody loves? Oh In the Boxes Yes In the Boxes No I watched the first episode of Severance No no sorry I watched the first episode of Industry And then I went on the podcast and told everyone that I watched the first episode of Severance. And they were like, are you sure you watch the show? I'm like, yeah. The guy like was doing drugs. It was, Industry was a show that like made me never like want to watch TV ever again. It was so pit inducing in the worst way. Yeah, I feel like they love a strong drama with a strong title, like succession, you know? Yeah. Industry. Severance. A one word of like a word you have to Google. They're literally making shows on thesaurus.com. They're like coming up with the name and then making a show around it. I love that. What was the story? Oh yeah, Townhouse. Some exciting content. So very content heavy day. A lot of upcoming excitement. I can't wait for half of these things to never air. Right. Because that's like, we're still waiting on Legally Blonde 3 written by Mindy Kaling. Right. it's supposed to be coming two summers ago we have a list of like things we're waiting for we were waiting for confessions of a female founder it came and went let me search um lemonada that's usually how i can find the thing right we're always waiting for it happened one summer book adaptation oh i saw a commercial yesterday for regretting you colleen hoover adaptation i like how that one's not really being promoted i guess she's like scarred um it looked really turd like it's giving lifetime smut she like goes to jail loses custody of her daughter and then moves back to the town to be near the daughter and her father and of course her and the father ended up you know i just searched this on my phone like it's such a wormhole yeah i can't i saw like perfect casting one so least wasn't perfect casting where did they find her oh demi lovato sister no but it's like it just goes so deep and i feel like when we're having the conversation about nepotism we often do not talk about how important of a thing it is because it gave us one need to solely yes when done right chef's kiss because you know not anybody could have played that traits are genetic right so when done right i support it's not all bad all the time only when it comes to ben platt did you see ben platt is like jacked he's been gone for a while and then like his husband posted a picture of him in the gym like he's enormous now i have to go look yeah and actually actually Ben Platt isn't all bad all the time because he is talented. No, that's the unfortunate thing about being Ben Platt's number one fucking hater. The unfortunate thing. You have to acknowledge that not only is he probably one of the most talented vocalists of our time, but his debut album, like they don't make music like that. In case you don't live forever. Not only is he probably one of the most talented vocalists of our time, but his debut album, Not only is he probably one of the most talented vocalists of our time, but his debut album, like, they don't make music like that. In case you don't live forever, let me tell you now. I love you more than you'll ever wrap your head around. In case you don't live forever, let me tell you the truth. I'm everything that I am because of you. you know isn't that about his parents thank you so much for bringing that up he's like walks all over i think they're like like estranged now right yeah i'm so curious about the platt family dynamics because like they're all low-key like famous in their own circles like jonah platt is like probably one of the most we were like a we were playing with a bunch of jewish girls like do you follow jonah platt he's like our hero he's like theodore herzl of our time like we're obsessed with him like every jewish girl is obsessed with jonah platt mark platt is like one of the biggest producers like if you're in production you know him and then there was like the drama with Rachel Zegler and then of course Ben Platt so they all operate in like three different universes but I just know like they all fucking hate each other yeah yeah but then he writes that song like I don't know how Joda Platt might have been before he like was radicalized and he like loved his parents and he loved his heritage and before he lost it's the same with like um AJ uh was it Alex Edelman you know he hates his brother who's his brother he's an Israeli Olympian oh it's not it's not Julian Edelman no um they're just like kind of like and he's a comedian Alex Edelman yes who's dating Anna Kendrick right yeah it's all coming back to you now um I just know he hates his brother and I know his brother thinks he's a lowlife like a Hollywood like I just I have the feeling you know I wonder if Ben Platt and Alex Edelman get together and talk about like their brothers who they find embarrassing. Their shared interests. Yeah. Their Zionist brothers. Yeah, right. Our fifth and final story is going to lead into Traders Recap. Oh, okay. So our Traders Recap, our TV recap, and just like all things about good television. The back half of the show. Is brought to you by America's Next Top Model. How perfect. Okay. So let's talk about the documentary that really everyone's talking about. If you were alive between 2003 and 2012, this show was unavoidable. and if you were like just swirly, if you're listening to the show, like you were definitely raised by America's Next Top Model. It was appointment television sleepover culture screaming at your TV while you know Tyra was screaming at someone We learned smizing not a lot of people know like the origins of smizing can I see yours your best one it actually very hard but yeah but look at me I love it do I don't think that was so good that's so rude see you don't support my calls you don't support my no I'm just taking after you my attempts at smizing America's Next Top Model was iconic chaotic and honestly kind of unhinged for better or for worse it did shape an entire era of pop culture and really raised a generation of women. So truly for better or for worse is doing a lot of the heavy lifting here. This was a show that asked one simple question. How far are you willing to go to be on top? You want to be on top? And sometimes apparently the answer was apparently very far emotionally, physically, spiritually, sometimes even cosmetically. If you remember, this wasn't just about modeling. It was about a full body transformation, mind, body, and spirit. This was about trauma bonding in a house with zero privacy. It was about being told you had dead eyes and then immediately having to walk on a runway in six inch heels while pretending you weren't internally spiraling but we all watched religiously what's wild is that at the time we all just accepted it right like the judging panels the eliminations the insane transformations the way tyra would send someone home after delivering a monologue that belonged in a shakespearean tragedy it was ham it was drama it was psychological warfare disguised as reality tv and that's why the new documentary is so fascinating why so many people are talking about it we're getting a full behind the curtain look at the hit show that shaped a generation not just from fans or commentators but from the people who were actually there the judges tyra tyra banks j Emmanuel, Nigel Barker. These names. Oh my God. When we were in high school, we saw Nigel Barker at a restaurant, right? Yeah. We got Mr. Chow for like someone's birthday and we have a picture with him. And what about Jill Ben Simone? The Kelly Ben Simone of it all. Miss J. Alexander, Top Models and more are all featured in an explosive new documentary about the show. It's called Reality Check and Inside America's Next Top Model. It's now playing on Netflix. When they say explosive, they mean it. They're really pulling back the curtain on what happened behind the scenes, the pressure, the production choices, the emotional toll and the cultural impact of a show that was both groundbreaking but deeply chaotic. So you're going to hear from former contestants, the judges themselves, and you'll see how certain moments were created, edited, and framed for TV. And suddenly things that you thought were just good reality TV start to feel very different when you understand the full context. It's giving a lot of perspective, accountability, and really showing like how much we personally let slide in the 2000s. It'll make you reflect on how much reality TV has evolved since then. And because America's Next Top Model walked so every competition show could run, it really normalized the idea that you could be made or broken on national television. It taught us the phrases like smize. It made us think that CoverGirl contract was literally the only thing that mattered in life. And it definitely made us all attempt at least one fierce mirror pose in our bedroom The documentary doesn shy away from the hard stuff either It all about emotional manipulation controversial challenges moments that did not age well So it going to have you reconsidering what it cost people to create something that became such a massive cultural phenomenon. So whether you were a day one watcher, a casual fan, or someone who just quotes, we were rooting for you. 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She had said last week, I saw a quote from her that she had said that like it all goes down pretty much like justice is served. I heard that like Colton walks off and then she brings up the stalker. So she clarified the rumor that Colton stormed out of the reunion. She said, well, this is what she said. That wasn't how she understood it. She said, I didn't see it myself. I saw him leave, but I saw other people leave, too, to go to the bathroom and such. But it took a long time for people to come back. That I can share with you. But let's put it on the record because they probably won't air it. Right. I said, Colton, I have a question for you. What did you mean when you said I'm going to take her hostage? I'm dying. Lisa's so funny. She like read tweets and like did research. And you know what? I appreciate that. That's all I said. And that spun him out that she said. Okay. Obsessed. It's just reminding me of like how many interesting people were on the show. Yeah, how good the show used to be. Yeah, like I was watching so passively, even though I had low expectations for the episode, just because like quite literally not one person there do I care about. I don't even know who I'm rooting for anymore. I'm kind of rooting for Mark Ballas. Like I don't even know who the fuck I'm rooting for. No, I think Mark Ballas is actually like, well, he did say. No, I'm sorry. The worst one. Say it with me. Three. Wait, hold on. Oh. Three. Well, the worst faithful or the worst? The worst person on the show right now. Three, two, one. Tara. I'm sorry. What Tara did last night was so awful. But she was so close. I'm not not rooting for her and Johnny. But at one point, I understand. The worst person on the show right now. The worst person on the show right now. Three, two, one. Tara. I'm sorry. What Tara did last night was so awful. But she was so close. I'm not not rooting for her and Johnny. But at one point, I understand you don't want to get off the show because more episodes is good. So you're afraid to say something. But at this point, there's one or two more episodes left. Why is she so afraid to take even the smallest of risks? I think she was afraid to get it wrong and be the leader of the charge. No one wants the responsibility of making the choices and being the one that got it wrong. And I think last week when she did it to Steven, she did not like how it felt. And so even though like all day she's and I think Tara's like a sweet person. So I'm giving her the benefit of the doubt that she didn't leave the Natalie out to dry just because. But I think all day she's like really playing the game, theorizing, whatever. But when it comes to like actually making accusations and pointing fingers at the table, like she doesn't want to be the one to do that. She's also not good at it. Yeah, I'm sorry. When we talk about like the biggest weenies, it also cannot be understated. Maura. I mean, if Maura isn't like such a stereotype, like how little it takes for you to blindly like she wouldn't even consider the conversation and then ran back and told him. I mean, it's so like. She's such a loser, like and also at this point, you need to just look at who's left and who when Natalie keeps saying, why am I still here? Who's keeping me around? It's because you do want voices of people who support you because they'll always vote for you. Like Rob knows he can count on Maura's vote. He can count on Mark's vote. He up until this week could count on Natalie's vote. And so when they're accusing Natalie of sending home gamers because that would throw us all off. No, like if she were a traitor, you need those voices of support because the deck is stacked when you have people who believe you and who want to go with you. Just like if Johnny was a traitor, Tara would always go with him. So like their logic was so off. They don't know which road to walk down and they refuse to like really look into why Candace was throwing out Rob's name. So I was glad to see that Mark was like, yeah, that was a red flag for me, too. but Mark is like probably the least intuitive one there because at least Tara threw out like had the thought of Rob and brought Rob to the table and I think Johnny said at this point I think it's Rob and Eric I could see being like at least someone's like close I know but they just they guess everyone and now there's so few people left I'm not even finding it impressive that somebody said Tara somebody said Rob it must be really weird to be in a room where like everyone's trying to figure out who the traitor is and there you know that one or two are among you and like you actually can trust anyone that you talking to like I imagine it really is a mind fuck at this point plus they in like you know a bubble closed like I think it really gets to be very and the goal is to like be paranoid and be suspicious I think it really starts to like eat at you Do they know how many traders are left? No, but they do know that people turn. They do, yeah. So they're saying like one or two left. It's incredibly lame of Rob to be riding so hard for Eric because like the reason he threw Lisa under the bus was because Lisa- She was getting suspicious. She was like a liability. Eric sucks at being a trader. He's such a liability. The first round table he went to, Kristen was on to him and now Mark was on to him after last night. So the way he's like so not throwing Eric under the bus is very suspicious. And I don't understand why they're not more suspicious of Eric. Like I can make the case for why no one there is a traitor. Like Johnny and Tara, I think, are safe. Natalie, people really started to believe she's not a traitor. They just voted for her because like. Because what else? They got confused. No, because they're afraid of. Nobody seems to think Mark is a traitor for whatever reason. They trust Rob, even when confronted with maybe it's Rob. They're like, no, it's not Rob. Why? Like, to me, Eric is the most obvious traitor. There's no reason to argue why he's not a traitor. He doesn't throw anyone. He's just like coasting the whole time. Also, Mark, literally, Kristen said, if I get killed tonight, it's Eric. Oh, okay. So this is where Mark is so dumb. And now Mark is like, well, maybe it's, you know, to throw me off to think it was Eric. Kristen literally told, if I go home tonight. And Mark didn't want to tell anybody that. He didn't want to bring it up at the round table. I don't know. And also it's like, they're like, why did Candace throw out Rob's name? And it's like, if they would just go one step further and be like, well, when Lisa, the first time she threw it out is when Rob went for Lisa and Lisa wound up being a traitor. That must've made Candace, that's when Rob started turning on his fellow traitors, right? If Rob is the traitor, then he went for Candace and Candace was leaving crumbs. They just like, it's right there. No, but they don't really have the courage to go there. Even if they were able to put it all together, they would be able to explain it away. Really the round table, I say this every week, The show is so fascinating because it's seriously a sociological experiment to see all these people like have actual concerns, legitimate concerns about Rob, not voice them and get so Rob sitting there smiling when the conversation now becomes a fight between Tara and Natalie. Like it's so. Just silly and funny how humans like are easily manipulated by people. And I also think it's not good for women. Maura. Maura, but also Tara and Natalie like getting distracted. they were aligned on Rob and they had a really good reasons for Robin. Instead they start like infighting with each other Yeah But I think the more thing is more embarrassing Like Maura couldn would not even entertain the conversation Like she so like swooning She like swooning Yeah, but they're not even in love. When she fucking finds out. I don't think she's even going to care. I don't think she's taking this very seriously. Right. And that's why it's weird that she's still there. Who do you think? I appreciated her saying that, being like, I don't know why I'm still here. I'm not good at this game. So, like, why are you crying, Tara? Yeah. Who do you think they'll kill tonight? Is everyone an option? Except for, yeah, except for Eric. I think that they should kill Mark because that's their ally. I know they then lose a vote, but it really makes them look like very innocent. I think they look more innocent if they kill Maura. Because people would think Rob would never kill Maura. Right, right. Because she, but they shouldn't kill Maura because she will always vote with Rob. He needs her vote. Right. So if you kill Tara or Johnny, then you're kind of like the whole opposition is gone. No, not only that. if you kill Tara or Johnny, that makes, like, Johnny's not a faithful. And I think whatever Tara is, Johnny is, and whatever Johnny is, Tara is. So you're then getting rid of two distractions. No, but at this point, they don't need distractions anymore. Like, if they get rid of Tara or Johnny, he will still have the vote from Mark and Maura, Eric. Well, sorry, what happens next? There's no more roundtables. So I guess the faithfuls have one more shot. This is just me guessing. Have one more shot at guessing the traitors. They, like, put it in, and then all will be revealed. then the game is over. And so if they- Is next week the finale? I think so, yeah. Okay, good. It's enough. It is enough. So I think, honestly, they just have to kill Tara or Johnny because Eric, Rob- Maura. Maura and Mark- Mark is like 75% team Rob. Like he is capable- He might have to be the one to like save everyone, but I think they'll never get Maura to flip. And so if he goes against the group, like I think it's kind of in, it's one, the game is one already. By Rob. Yeah. Yeah. um rob had like a moment of reflection first of all rob like lashing out at the um carnival was weird yeah um but then he had like a moment of reflection for the first time like you know the sociopath was like i feel bad for all the people i'm hurting i actually did not buy it i think that rob will get them all to turn on eric and they'll banish eric they'll have gotten a traitor but rob was still in their midst well i think that that would probably be the best thing for rob because i think people are like you couldn't go to bat for your tried and true traitors like the second things got hard you dumped Lisa but this rando Eric walks in at the 11th hour and you like fighting for him it actually makes him look really bad and really misogynistic like yes but I think he needs his vote yeah you know because if if Eric got out if he worked it so Eric got banished instead of Natalie Natalie's not a sure vote for team Rob right she already started going for Rob so she had to go her speech made me so upset like first of all I can't believe she was in that dress all day with the heels like I know so I read about the schedule like you do full glam by yourself in the morning you go to the castle all day you change there for the challenge into like running clothes you get back to the castle put back on your outfit like i think you're allowed to touch up your makeup a little bit and then the round table goes into the wee hours of the night i was so uncomfortable for her in the dress and the shoes yeah um and then she gives this speech about how like she's always wanted to be strong and now she feels like it was like her greatest asset and then people here like used it against her and she's a faithful. No, and when they're like, I think you're a traitor, you're very smart, you're very strong, you're good at the game. It's like, just because I'm smart doesn't mean I'm a traitor. Like, so all faithfuls are dumb? Not only that, like, you don't achieve traitor status. It's just given to random people. So being smart, it's not like you earned it. Right. So like, okay, because I'm smart. And because I'm smart, you guys want to get rid of me when I could maybe help you. It's very hard to judge everyone because I just know if my ass was in this house, like I'd be dumber than all these people. I have no idea. I think it's so hard. I don't think I would be good at it I think you're right that like only a true sociopath as a faithful or a traitor can be successful like it's so like I'm being very judgmental of everyone like you're dumb you're stupid you're bad you're ugly I would be worse no I think that it's hard to be a really good traitor I don't I I respect Rob's gameplay but I think for the faithfuls it's a bit of luck and like going unnoticed and just being like unremarkable until a certain point because then you've been like so quiet the whole time that was like lisa rena yeah no but you can't do that as lisa yeah um right right mark ballast is like a perfect example even like donna kelsey like she engaged with no one because she was like afraid and they got her in like week two yeah no so it's really kind of like luck like who they're gonna try and focus on um except rob is a skillful player and it's like colton got banished or like you know halfway through the game or whatever would we say he was a good player even though he left early so it's like weird the best players aren't You know, it's like you aren't rewarded. Like the people who make it far aren't the best players. They're lucky or unremarkable. And that's boring. That's the fatal flaw of the show. Like the people that we're left with now, imagine if like the remaining six was like, Rinna, Candace, Michael Rapaport, remarkable and that's boring that's the fatal flaw of the show like the people that we're left with remarkable and that's boring that's the fatal flaw of the show like the people that we're left with now imagine if like the remaining six was like rinna candace michael rapaport like colton called donna kelsey like everyone it was a good cast yeah who we were left with like that's just the fatal flaw of the game yeah it is why like why were the first three episodes like the best tv i've ever seen in my life because it was a lot of different people a lot of characters a lot of personalities And I know the secret traitor thing was like kind of dumb, but I did really like when people would get on the circle that I didn't know what they were going to say. Like now I know what everyone's going to say. And I'm like, yeah, stick it to them, Natalie. But it was a little thrilling to be like, is Donna the secret traitor? Like not knowing who- For the audience. I always wonder what the show would be like and how I would be as an audience member if I didn't know who the traitors were, would I be able to guess? So that was fun. You should try it one season. I didn't think it was Donna. I didn't think it was Donna. I thought it was for sure Colton. like elder abusers. Yeah. And this poor old lady. Yeah. I thought it was for sure. Colton. Yeah. Um, and then real housewives of Beverly Hills, which was really like, I was like not like loving the episode. I thought it was kind of boring until Denise showed up. I thought that was like the most fascinating conversation in reality TV history. One, because like Denise's time on the show, I believe was cut short. I think the women really did her dirty and it was very interesting. Has she remained friends with like a couple like our cell? Um, and I guess she kept in contact with Erica and like, now we know why Erica was like, so moved by Denise's story. I was so shocked like yeah Erica spoke up like I was shocked yeah I wasn't sure if it was the boy the man sorry boy one of my three the man that she's dating is that what she was referring to because like how much time has passed but then she said no now she's dating someone else so it was a relationship before that yeah um who we don't know who she's been dating in the years since Tom it was so crazy first of all Denise's stories about being abused after her facelift Oh my God. On the toilet. Like fucking crazy. I fucking hate. You need to, you can't walk. Like you can't go to the bathroom. You can't be more vulnerable. No. And that's how she knew like that before the next surgery, she wanted like insane. She looked amazing. And I love the transparency about facelifts. No, that was frightening. And then out of left field, Erica says it happened to me. Yeah. Well, Erica was being so supportive and like, she knew what, just what to say. And like, she couldn't have been a better friend in that moment. And then, yeah, Then she shared like that she knows how she feels because it's happened to her. And that was just so sad Sutton was also just like so there and like And I want to say I thought it was very appropriate that Sutton got choked up in her confessionals Like when someone shares that with you like you crying stop Like that's inappropriate. But it's such a heavy thing. And I thought it was like a real. Just like a very graceful response from like to be there and supportive and ask questions, but not be like overly emotional. But then clearly like it's a shocking thing to hear in her confessionals like getting choked up about it. Yeah, I feel like all the women, at least this season, are really good at being there for each other. Like even Erica has more like legal drama and like they've all reached out. Yeah. That sucks. It sucks. Because she's just like digging herself out of the hole that Tom left her in and she's working so hard and it's like almost all for nothing because all of it has to go to her legal bill. That's terrible. So I would love to have Denise back on the show. I loved her when she was on. I thought the women mistreated her so poorly. Kyle. Kyle doesn't get enough hate for that. Like she was so awful leading the charge against Denise. Yeah, of course. But Erica was Erica is still best friends with Rinna. Yeah. They were best friends on the show after the show. It was a real friendship. Yeah. So I think but I think like Denise hates Rinna. Of course. Yeah. So Erica is like in the middle. Now watching those old clips of Aaron like I know it's the hand crushing thing. I hadn't seen that before. I I remember seeing it and then it was just like that explain like it was just like oh yeah it was a bad moment. Yeah. And like men who get really involved it's always nefarious. like it's fucking weird yeah so she's season one none of the other husbands honestly i never said i just remember i don't remember exactly everything they did but i just remember thinking like denise and aaron were such a great couple it was just supportive of one another like yeah yeah it's especially after charlie and then when denise said he makes charlie look like an angel it's true because when i watched charlie's documentary and like his greatest crime was that he was self-destructive like he never really heard denise was in the documentary i think like she he was a terrible husband but I think she loves him and like they still try to actively co-parent and they have a good relationship like he's worse than Charlie yeah for sure shocking um the episode was like kind of boring otherwise like love to see the ladies at surf oh I loved the Hamptons watching like Dorit get her flirt on was so cute was that guy 26 or 40 I don't know Xander yeah like uh he didn't look 26 and he didn't look 40 he he looked both he We actually looked both 26 and 40. I could have lived without like the whole thing. Why aren't all the girls there? It's a weird trip. And it really looked like they were having true fun. Yeah it like a perfect summer They do two trips on Housewives like a small one like always like a little bit more local and then they going to italy already did oh yeah where they go santa barbara or like san antonio oh no arizona uh sedona some whatever to say they did to scone they did a local trip and then they do a big trip but yeah they could have done like a mid-sized trip where they all went to the hamptons and we're all at surf lodge and we're all going shopping like would be amazing yeah and then it looks like next week like kyle calls bows being like i'm really concerned about jury because she's shopping she by the way erica's giving real empath this season like even her conversation with amanda which was the first time i heard amanda speak and i didn't like hate everything she said and like thought she was the worst um she's just coming she's approaching the season with like a lot of you know feelings yeah like understanding it's nice it's so she's like really like a rock solid friend yeah she i feel like she's just like a rock solid person oh it was chilling when she said you know what it's like to be the mother of a police officer and have to call 9-1-1 yeah chilling i always forget that erica has a son who's a cop yeah i also forget that she like has a son oh i remember it's just like i feel like it's a little incongruous with like her image like her erica jane image you know like erica gerardi had a kid but she's so 360. you cannot put erica jane in a box no i forgot about amanda she's been coming up on my down my time with her like her content her content and it's definitely giving bozes like onto something because like she's so wealthy from from all these courses, right? She makes Instagram reels that have like 700 views. Yeah. So what do you think that it is? Because Bose is saying like, she teaches you how to manifest money while also taking your money. So it's kind of like counterintuitive. Yeah, no, it's snake oil salesmen. Like snake oil salesmen live in nice houses because they are good salesmen. Yeah, but like if you want to spend your money learning how to make money, like that's how you like- She's not breaking the law. Right. But it sounded like you were about to allude to like some sort of fraudulence because like how can you make that much money? It's not fraudulent per se. It's a question mark. Because how can you make that much money doing what she does? She lives in a nice house. And she shouldn't have said that her husband brings home no money. Because we would have just assumed they're dual income. You know what I mean? But it definitely leaves a question mark of how can you make that much money doing what she's doing? The thing she said about Dorit was really mean. About how Dorit's just jealous of Amanda because Amanda has never financially depended on a man. I was like, no one. was saying anything. Yeah. But Dorit financially dependent on a man and it's really not working out for her. Like so mean. So I going through a legal battle with their ex over custody and money Like it such a traumatizing thing So uncalled for I just hate her Their argument they like petty squabbles have not reached a level where you not gotten there where you need to say that about someone yeah that was just like so out of left field yeah um so yeah it was a kind of boring episode i mean i kind of need the gals back together it's now like two and a half episodes bifurcated where they're on separate coats and it's like sorry erica should be in the hamptons oh I like that Rachel Zoe like hates Kyle um because it's like it's true Kyle is like this OG housewife everyone loves her everyone loves us and it's like where's that girl you know yeah it's like this new Kyle is like definitely and I don't think it has anything to do with her being sober she just like she kind of sucks and so I hear Rachel being like you're like the OG of the BH and it's like this is it no and it has I don't even remember that she's sober I'm not interested and like watching drunk people. That's not like, so it has nothing to do with that. I also now notice what you said, which is that Kyle is very nasty in her interviews. Nastier than like, you know, at the table she'll like not say anything and then she'll undercut whatever Dorit said in her interview. And it's going to make for an interesting reunion. But if I'm Dorit watching that, like that's not your friend. No, and Rachel really likes Dorit. But I think they are similar personalities. They're very fashioning. And then they both have this like, you know, divorce looming over their heads. So they relate to one another. and I think soon like Rachel's dislike or just like meh on Kyle is gonna get even worse because like she's gonna start taking up for her friend I like that Rachel's I was like not afraid to get a little dirty I wish she could go a little bit more you know same but I also think Kathy stands in her way even though like those Kathy wouldn't stand in her way but like she's not gonna meanwhile the Hilton sisters no one's nasty to them than each other but like you can be to your no and I think Rachel would respect that that's Kathy's sister yeah and like not want to put Kathy in an uncomfortable position even though like kyle chose renaiside over kathy but like dj situation right remember it had her over of course that was awful awful so no rachel like joined this crew like she has to work over the summer but she's like whatever i think being a reality star is fun these women look like they have a lot of fun and like she's wanting to have fun and kyle's like so not in a fun place and she's like kind of not a fun person right now um so i just feel like it's not a good match them too i don't know why she brought kyle and it was all to like help i think it was like single ladies no i thought it was like to help her and to read like see one another Meanwhile, they haven't had like a meaningful conversation the whole time. But I guess also if she just brought like Dorit and Erica, well, that would have been my dream. Dream team. But she probably brought like Dorit and Kyle because like that's content, you know, like them, they need to have conversations and do the spiel. dream team but she probably brought like Dorit and Kyle because like that's content you know like dream team but she probably brought like Dorit and Kyle because like that's content you know like them they need to have conversations and do the the the spiel but they're not but they're not even doing it yeah so why is Erica sitting at home bring our why isn't Erica there I feel sick even Kyle could have been there's not one or the other like all of them went both then both where's both oh sorry wait but she is not going on dream team is Bo's Erica Rachel Dorit even though it looks to Reed and Erica like go at each other this season. I can't. It happens. As long as it's something we can't come back from. Well, that's your TV recap. That's our show for the, oh no, sorry, it's Queenie and Weenie. Almost forgot, sorry. Our final segment of the week is something we like to do called Queenie and Weenie of the Week. We give out two awards to two different people. It's extremely self-explanatory. Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. It could be anyone from pop culture to world news, global impact, Queenie of the Week and Weenie of the Week. So, Jax, would you like to go first with your Queenie? the man the myth the legend paul salem the joy that this photograph honestly it's the frame it's not even the man inside of it like the joy this has brought me people are lauding it as our best segment ever like i'm obsessed and he is not only the first businessman of the week but he's the first joint businessman of the week and queenie and unanimous queenie at that but kowto but so heavy is the head that wears the crown paul salem you don't fuck it up he's the first businessman end of the week and if I have anything to do with it he'll be the last oh wow that means we don't get Jets and we don't get Perkins and we didn't get a sponsored segment and then Weenie I actually had so many options this week I I of course wanted to throw um Massimo's name around because just like imagine fumbling Lori Loughlin but I I didn end up going with him I very I came very close to choosing Tara Lipinski because honestly like her behavior at the round table could only be described in one word behavior um but I decided to go with someone else and that Lucy from Tell Me Lies like getting in the car and and actually I want to also make we need to make anybody who thought like she had a plan getting in the car and that like Lucy's in control and she let him go because that's also like this was all her idea um but Lucy like her getting back in the car like her getting back in the car her getting back in the car only to like do it all again at like brie and wrigley's wedding correct my weenie of the week is adjacent to yours it's from tell me lies and it's wrigley's wig and the people who put it on his head and thought that that was a good idea i love that and in like the what's supposed to be like the penultimate moment of the show of brie and wrigley finally getting together without morning breath and they're like looking their best and it's been years and he's in that wig major plot hole agree like show ruining do over like seriously do it over yeah all right well that's our show you guys thank you so much for listening to the toast of the morning show we deliver the fast life stories that you need to know every monday through friday on youtube so if you're watching us on youtube please feel free to subscribe give us video thumbs up we're also available as a podcast anywhere podcast can be found on twitter itunes twitter public radio iron cast box all the places where we send podcasts my name is a toast leave a five-star review about a beautiful and that has stolen and about how wickedly talented we are. 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