--:-- Sean Rameswaram: My name is Sean Rameswaram, and I'm outside the Air and Space Museum in Washington DC with one question: do you think we should go to Mars?
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I don't think you should live on Mars. No, I don't know why, just Mars. I think as Earthlings, we are a nosy group of people, and I really don't think that we have any business going to Mars. Our knowledge about the solar system and the universe will grow substantially.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I think maybe we should just leave Mars alone, just sit with Earth. Like so many innovations are gonna come out of it because so many different companies are gonna be fighting to get you know that first ticket to Mars. So I feel I feel like we should. But at the same time, we should solve some problems here first.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I think we need to expand what we what we know what we see. Honestly, for our own benefit. We should go way beyond.
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--:-- Lauren Grush: We've spoken about Mars on this show before, but it feels like there's extra enthusiasm around Mars now. I mean, can you imagine how awesome it will be to lead humanity into space?
--:-- Lauren Grush: To have American astronauts plant the American flag on the planet Mars and even far beyond. For the first time?
--:-- Lauren Grush: Are we going to Mars? Mars is definitely on the menu. There's more of a push now than there was before to actually give government funding to Mars initiatives to send humans to the red planet.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And where is that renewed push coming from? Is it the sitting president of the United States?
--:-- Lauren Grush: Yes. For those who've been paying attention to Trump's speeches, he's definitely made quite a few mentions of Mars and sending humans to Mars within his term.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And you're talking about the fact that he mentioned it in his second inaugural address, that indoor one.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And we will pursue our manifest destiny into the stars, launching American astronauts to plant the stars and stripes on the planet Mars. Right.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And not just his inaugural address, but also his winning speech. He had talked about Elon and SpaceX when he accepted winning the election.
--:-- Lauren Grush: Oh, let me tell you, we have a new star. A star is born, Elon.
--:-- Lauren Grush: So space was certainly a theme of those early speeches and talks, more so than I've seen from other presidents.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And I want to talk to you about what Trump's trying to do and how much Elon factors in. But before I do, we should give credit to prior presidents.
--:-- Lauren Grush: This wasn't the first to mention Mars. Oh, absolutely not.
--:-- Lauren Grush: For instance, back in 1989, President George H.W. Bush called for a return to the moon, followed by... A journey into tomorrow, a journey to another planet, a manned mission to Mars.
--:-- Lauren Grush: George W. Bush had proposed the Constellation program, which was to send humans back to the moon. With the experience and knowledge gained on the moon, we will then be ready to take the next steps of space exploration, human missions to Mars and to worlds beyond.
--:-- Lauren Grush: You know, most recently, under President Obama, he also called for a journey to Mars. By the mid-2030s, I believe we can send humans to orbit Mars and return them safely to Earth.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And a landing on Mars will follow. And I expect to be around to see it.
--:-- Lauren Grush: So what separates Trump from his predecessors, if anything?
--:-- Lauren Grush: During Trump's first term, there was an event at the White House where astronauts from the Apollo 11 mission were there to celebrate the 50th anniversary of landing on the moon.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And at the time, Trump mentioned that we were going back to the moon, but he also asked... Anywhere going directly without landing on the moon? Is that a possibility?
--:-- Lauren Grush: And then during his first administration, there was also a very fun tweet where he had basically been watching one of the NASA executives on Fox, and then he tweeted out that... For all of the money that we are spending, NASA should not be talking about going to the moon.
--:-- Lauren Grush: We did that 50 years ago. They should be focusing on the much bigger things we are doing, including Mars, of which the moon is a part. Defense and science.
--:-- Lauren Grush: Which confounded a bunch of people because he had actually signed that directive to send people back to the moon.
--:-- Lauren Grush: So I'd say there were early signs that Trump was a Mars guy. And then I think it kind of got sent into overdrive when he and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk had that budding friendship during the election and the first part of his term.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And so that kind of got a push because as most people who follow Elon Musk know the sole purpose of him creating SpaceX has been to start a human settlement on Mars.
--:-- Lauren Grush: Right. But the great irony of these two guys spearheading a program that sincerely intends to get us to Mars is that these two guys also trying to cut funding left and right from every department of the federal government.
--:-- Lauren Grush: So how does that work when it comes to, say, NASA? Yeah, so when it comes to the proposed budget for NASA, yes, it does look pretty bleak.
--:-- Lauren Grush: The White House has proposed cutting the budget by around 24 percent, which if enacted as is, would be the most significant budget cut that NASA has pretty much had in its entire history.
--:-- Lauren Grush: So get us to Mars with 24 percent less of your budget. Right.
--:-- Lauren Grush: The key, though, is how they plan to allocate the money that they have proposed.
--:-- Lauren Grush: So the majority of the cuts that are being proposed to NASA's budget at the moment mostly target robotic science missions.
--:-- Lauren Grush: Things that don't actually require humans to be on board, those are getting most of the targeted cuts.
--:-- Lauren Grush: However, there has been proposed increases for the human exploration programs that would be sending humans back to the moon and then potentially onto Mars, the so-called Moon to Mars program.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And so the budget included $7 billion to continue initiatives to send humans back to the moon, what's known as the Artemis program.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And then there's an extra $1 billion that's being proposed to help jumpstart Mars exploration with humans.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And so there's been a discussion of creating a commercial Mars landing competition and using existing contracts to develop a lander that could potentially land humans on Mars.
--:-- Lauren Grush: Yeah, it's kind of funny to think about a billion dollars for Mars when ICE just got like an extra $75 billion.
--:-- Lauren Grush: How serious is this president all told at this point?
--:-- Lauren Grush: Well, I think he's also mentioned it himself. You know, it's not his top priority. No, there's a lot of interest in going to Mars.
--:-- Lauren Grush: Is it number one on my hit list? No, it's not really. But it is something that would be, you know, it would be a great achievement.
--:-- Lauren Grush: It would be a great thing if we could do it. And so I think that's a good indication of where his mind is at.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And that's usually where most presidents are at when it comes to space policy.
--:-- Lauren Grush: But yeah, I think a billion dollars is a very, very small investment when it's going to probably be one of the costliest endeavors that humanity ever does and the most complex feat that we ever achieve.
--:-- Lauren Grush: When it comes to how people view, you know, the priorities for space exploration, you know, I think there is definitely a positive view of things like NASA.
--:-- Lauren Grush: You know, there's been polls that show that people favorably want to send humans back to the moon and onto Mars.
--:-- Lauren Grush: However, I think there might be some debate in terms of what NASA's priorities should be in terms of how it's spending its money.
--:-- Lauren Grush: So Pew research polls often ask Americans what they think, you know, the space agency's priorities should be.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And usually at the top of the list is monitoring the space around Earth for asteroids to make sure that they don't hit Earth, which I totally understand.
--:-- Lauren Grush: I don't want to do that either. Everyone saw Armageddon. Yeah, exactly. It's what we call a global killer. The end of mankind.
--:-- Lauren Grush: And then sending humans back to the moon and to Mars often is at the bottom of the list in terms of priorities. Huh.
--:-- Lauren Grush: So I think it's something that people think would be cool and, you know, aren't necessarily opposed to.
--:-- Lauren Grush: But whether or not that should be the highest priority for NASA and taxpayer money doesn't always reach the top of the list.
--:-- Lauren Grush: Lauren Grush, reader at Bloomberg.com. You can also pick up her book, The Six, about America's first women astronauts. It's being made into a movie. No big deal.
--:-- Lauren Grush: Mars might not be our top priority, but it has been our obsession for well over a century. How we got there when Today Explained touches down.
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--:-- David Barron: My name is David Barron, and I'm the author of the book The Martians, the true story of an alien craze that captured turn-of-the-century America.
--:-- David Barron: Okay, so you are the person to ask why we care so much about Mars.
--:-- David Barron: Oh yeah, I mean, as a culture, Mars has really kind of seeped into our collective psyche.
--:-- David Barron: There's something special about Mars. There's a sense of kind of mystery and romance.
--:-- David Barron: And part of it just has to do with the physical reality of Mars, but it's more than that.
--:-- David Barron: And the more than that goes back a little more than a century ago when the public truly believed that Mars was inhabited by intelligent beings.
--:-- David Barron: Before Martians were staples of science fiction, they were believed to be science fact.
--:-- David Barron: You could open the New York Times in 1906 and read in all seriousness. The only logical result that can be reached from these fundamental, these demonstrated and demonstrable facts is that there is conscious, intelligent, organic life on Mars.
--:-- David Barron: The New York Times, December 9, 1906. The New York Times.
--:-- David Barron: Oh, and the Wall Street Journal in 1907. The Wall Street Journal.
--:-- David Barron: In 1907, the Wall Street Journal at the end of the year said the biggest news of the year was... The proof afforded by the astronomical observations of the year that conscious, intelligent human life exists upon the planet Mars.
--:-- David Barron: The Wall Street Journal, December 28th, 1907. Wow. Hard to believe.
--:-- David Barron: Where did it come from? Where did the science fact that there were indeed Martians come from?
--:-- David Barron: Well, it really all started in 1877. You have to cast your mind back in time.
--:-- David Barron: In the 19th century, all we knew about Mars was what we could see through Earth-bound telescopes.
--:-- David Barron: But in 1877, when Mars came especially close to Earth, An Italian astronomer named Giovanni Schiaparelli decided he was going to make a detailed map of Mars.
--:-- David Barron: And so night after night, he studied the planet, and he saw what he thought were oceans and continents.
--:-- David Barron: But he also saw this network of thin, exceptionally straight lines that he imagined were probably waterways of some kind.
--:-- David Barron: They may disappear wholly, or be nebulous, or indistinct, or be so strongly marked as a pen line.
--:-- David Barron: What could all this mean?
--:-- David Barron: Well, in 1894, an American astronomer came along who said, yes, indeed, they were canals.
--:-- David Barron: Not navigation canals, but irrigation canals that the Martians were using to survive on a planet that was running out of water.
--:-- David Barron: That all of Mars' moisture was locked up in the polar ice caps at the North and South Poles.
--:-- David Barron: And for the Martians to survive, they had created this global network of irrigation canals.
--:-- David Barron: And that's what these lines supposedly were.
--:-- David Barron: And they would come and go with the seasons. They tended to appear in the spring and summer, and they would fade in the fall and winter.
--:-- David Barron: And when Percival Lowell, who was the American astronomer who believed they were irrigation canals, his theory was you're not actually seeing the water coming down from the poles.
--:-- David Barron: You're seeing the greening up of the vegetation along these irrigation canals.
--:-- David Barron: And so that's why they would green up in the spring and summer.
--:-- David Barron: You'd see them appear, and then they would fade in the fall and winter when the leaves presumably died off.
--:-- David Barron: A solution of their character suggests itself at once, to wit, that they are oases in the middle of that desert.
--:-- David Barron: The canals are constructed for the express purpose of fertilizing the oases.
--:-- David Barron: But this was also a time when people were really looking for kind of a hope in outer space.
--:-- David Barron: Life on Earth in the late 19th century, at least in the West, there was a lot of reason for despair.
--:-- David Barron: There was anarchism in Europe. There were heads of state being assassinated.
--:-- David Barron: The idea was that the Martians were these advanced beings who were what we hopefully will become in the future.
--:-- David Barron: And the fact that they had this global network of irrigation canals meant that they had pulled together as a planet, that they must have evolved beyond war, beyond divisive politics.
--:-- David Barron: Because it looked like they were cooperating across a planet.
--:-- David Barron: Exactly. Yeah.
--:-- David Barron: So there was a real desire to believe in the Martians.
--:-- David Barron: Hmm. Was there anyone out there saying, guys, just because we see some canals, it doesn't mean there's Martians?
--:-- David Barron: Was there any? Oh, absolutely.
--:-- David Barron: There was a big debate in the astronomical community.
--:-- David Barron: In fact, the astronomical community divided into the canalists and the anti-canalists.
--:-- David Barron: Wow. There were these two warring camps.
--:-- David Barron: Percival Lowell, who was not only, I mean, he was a self-made astronomer.
--:-- David Barron: He was an extraordinarily wealthy and articulate human being.
--:-- David Barron: He came from a very prominent family in Massachusetts.
--:-- David Barron: And so he was able to write articles for the Atlantic Monthly promoting his ideas.
--:-- David Barron: He was out there giving lectures about the Martians and so he was able to convince the public, even if there were a lot of astronomers he couldn't convince.
--:-- David Barron: When was, like, peak Martian? When was peak obsession with Mars in this era?
--:-- David Barron: That was 1908 and 1909.
--:-- David Barron: By 1908, the idea was so widespread, you had pastors in church sermonizing about the Martians and expressing to their congregations that we should emulate the Martians.
--:-- David Barron: We should look to our neighboring planet for the kind of society that we should be.
--:-- David Barron: We see there, off in space, marching by our side, a neighbor world, which shows at a glance by impressive signs that it is morally unified and civilized beyond the dreams of our reformers.
--:-- David Barron: Alexander Graham Bell, who of course invented the telephone, but he was convinced that the Martians were real.
--:-- David Barron: He saw no question that Mars was inhabited by intelligent beings.
--:-- David Barron: Nikola Tesla, a great inventor who came up with our modern system of generating and distributing electrical power, he actually was convinced that he picked up radio signals from Mars.
--:-- David Barron: And when he announced that to the world at the beginning of 1901, it just set off an absolute craze.
--:-- David Barron: Martians invaded popular culture.
--:-- David Barron: They showed up on the vaudeville and Broadway stages.
--:-- David Barron: There was a popular show called A Yankee Circus on Mars.
--:-- David Barron: You had a Martian that became a comic character in the newspapers.
--:-- David Barron: They showed up in Tin Pan Alley songs.
--:-- David Barron: In fact, I have an original wax cylinder recording of a song called A Signal from Mars, a musical piece from back then.
--:-- David Barron: The Martians were just everywhere in popular culture.
--:-- David Barron: How did it fall apart?
--:-- David Barron: So astronomers by the 1910s had pretty well convinced themselves that this whole canal theory was bunk.
--:-- David Barron: But the idea had so taken hold in the brains of the public that the idea of canals on Mars persisted until the 1950s and 60s.
--:-- David Barron: In 1938, you know, there was the famous War of the Worlds radio broadcast by Orson Welles.
--:-- David Barron: Ladies and gentlemen, I have a grave announcement to make. Incredible as it may seem both the observations of science and the evidence of our eyes lead to the inescapable assumption that those strange beings who landed in the jersey farmland tonight are the vanguard of an invading army from the planet Mars.
--:-- David Barron: And there were people who actually believed listening to the radio that the martians were invading.
--:-- David Barron: Why did people believe that in 1938, because only a generation or two before, there really was belief in the Martians.
--:-- David Barron: And I actually found a letter to Orson Welles that was written by one of those listeners who was fooled, who was angry about it.
--:-- David Barron: And what she wrote was, Has not science proved that there's life on Mars through their observations? Canals are supposed to have been discerned, which prove that there is a possibility of their being on a higher level than ours in scientific development.
--:-- David Barron: And that was 1938.
--:-- David Barron: The idea that there was something strange there persisted well into the 1960s when NASA sent its first Mariner spacecraft flying by Mars to take the first close-up pictures of the surface.
--:-- David Barron: And there was not only no sign of a civilization, there was no sign of straight lines, it just looked like a dead world.
--:-- David Barron: The picture suggests that Mars has never had an ocean or substantial atmosphere.
--:-- David Barron: Thinking back to what you said earlier when people were first enchanted by this idea of Martians in the early 20th century, it was this idea that we could all work together that really captured imaginations.
--:-- David Barron: And it's still a nice idea.
--:-- David Barron: Do you think there's still a chance that we could get together as a human race to unite in an effort to get to Mars, to unite with common cause?
--:-- David Barron: It doesn't look that likely when you look around and see fights about every last thing.
--:-- David Barron: No, in fact, I think what will inspire the United States to get to Mars more than anything is competition.
--:-- David Barron: It's because the Chinese want to get there.
--:-- David Barron: But there is still this dream of Mars as this techno-utopia, this place that will be better than Earth, that will be more egalitarian, where we can start over again.
--:-- David Barron: And I think the lesson of the Mars craze of 100 years ago, there are two lessons.
--:-- David Barron: On the one hand, it's a cautionary tale. We tend to project onto Mars what we hope is there, not what's really there.
--:-- David Barron: So 100 years ago, we believed in the Martians because we wanted to believe that there was a better world next door.
--:-- David Barron: Today, I think a lot of the talk about Mars is that we're going to create this sort of this utopia next door.
--:-- David Barron: That's going to be so difficult. I mean, technically difficult.
--:-- David Barron: And as you said, getting humans together to make this possible. Lord knows if that's ever going to happen.
--:-- David Barron: On the other hand, a lot of good came out of that craziness of 100 years ago.
--:-- David Barron: It was the excitement about Mars and the imagination that spurred the next generations to say, well, maybe we can actually go there.
--:-- David Barron: And how would we do it? And they built the rockets and they had the enthusiasm to actually go there.
--:-- David Barron: And I think the same is true today.
--:-- David Barron: And if we're going to get there, we might as well start now.
--:-- David Barron: David Barron, his book once again is called The Martians, the true story of an alien craze that captured turn-of-the-century America.
--:-- David Barron: It drops on August 26th, and if you happen to be in Boulder, Colorado that day, there'll be a party celebrating it at the library.
--:-- Avishay Artsy: Abishai Artsy produced today's show, which was made in collaboration with Vox's Future Perfect team.
--:-- Jolie Myers: Jolie Myers edited.
--:-- Laura Bullard: Laura Bullard checked the facts.
--:-- Patrick Boyd: Patrick Boyd mixed.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: and we'll talk about what it's going to take to get us to Mars next week on Today Explained.