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--:-- Host: And it's an extremely young audience, a queer audience, lots of people dressed up. And just a bunch of really earnest people. Very genuinely excited to cheer these people no matter what they did.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Jesse David Fox covers comedy for Vulture, and he recently wrote a big old profile of the smaller streaming service, Dropout.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Dropout is an independent comedy streaming service where all the content sort of exists on the intersection between games and gaming and improv comedy.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Are you ready? Go.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: He was wearing gloves and in a folding chair at the inauguration. Edward Scissorhands. No, no, no. Bernie Sanders.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: The most popular show is Game Changer, a show in which the game premise changes every episode.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Now you all understand how the game works. Yeah, 100%. Did you get an email?
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: What?
--:-- Jesse David Fox: That's right. Our players have no idea what game it is they're about to play.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: The only way to learn is by playing.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: The only way to win is by learning.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And the only way to begin is by beginning.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So without further ado, let's begin Players. On any episode, anything could happen.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: And because the contestants don't know the rules of the game, that is actually what the show's about, which is the relationship between the host, Sam Reich, who's also CEO of the company.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I've been here the whole time.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Playing with the uncertainty the contestants have about what exactly is happening at any moment.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Your first question is, yes or no?
--:-- Jesse David Fox: There's not like a, it's just, you don't play a sound effect or anything.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: The other sort of popular shows is Dimension 20, which is the comedy Dungeons & Dragons show.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Our cast of players will assume the role of heroic adventurers embarking on a dangerous quest.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Make some noise, which is kind of like whose line is it anyway?
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Hurriedly dropping your horror movie child off at daycare.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Okay, Lucius, you have your lunch?
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Yeah?
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Break eye contact with me.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: I can't think when you do that.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I think a lot of people, that's maybe where they most see the clips on social media is like make some noise clips.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: I gotta go.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I will be back.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: No. No, that's a bad start.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: That's a bad start.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: I will be back because the court ordered that I come back.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And then there's a show called Very Important People.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Today, we're giving this comedian a total transformation.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: They have no idea who or what they're about to pick up.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: That's right. Once they see themselves in the mirror, they'll have to make up a character on the spot and then sit down with me for an improvised interview.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: This is Very Important People.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: How popular are we talking when we talk popular?
--:-- Jesse David Fox: So they have about a million subscribers or they are in swinging distance of a million subscribers.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: The thing about it the thing about the popularity again they have a million subscribers it's not like netflix if netflix had a million subscribers those a million people would be divided up oh this person goes to netflix because they like stranger things this person likes is it whatever in many ways all of dropout shows are the same one show it is a cast of characters which at this point is like 50, 60 people that you'll see on all the different shows.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: And to subscribe, almost everyone I've ever talked to who subscribes, you find yourself less just picking a show and watching it to the end as much as like immersing yourself into this universe.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Most subscribers, a lot of subscribers are picking and choosing, but ultimately subscribing to the whole family of shows.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: You're making it sound kind of like the Marvel Cinematic Universe or something, whereas you're going to go to all of the movies because you love the entire world.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: But you also said it's got about a million subscribers, and we know that there are more people subscribing to the MCU.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: How much are these million subscribers paying for this world?
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I believe it is now $6.99 a month.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: So when they raised the rate from $5.99 a month to $6.99 a month, they allowed previous subscribers to be grandfathered in at their original rate.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And so I went to the Reddit page to see if anyone was complaining about the price hike and not only were they not some people were complaining or sad that they could not be paying the talent more that they felt bad that they were being grandfathered in at a lower rate
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I think it's high time I asked you, who is Dropout's audience?
--:-- Jesse David Fox: From what I understand it is young It definitely Gen Z leaning politically very left They oversubscribe in terms of the proportion that is queer identifying Diverse, like the live shows I went to were honestly much more diverse than I was expecting.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I say that as a person who's been going to improv shows for the last 20 years and would not say those audiences were particularly diverse.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: And they are people who historically are very invested in Dropout. They are constantly talking about it on the Dropout Reddit page.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: There was a Dropout Discord until fairly recently that was very active.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: They are constantly debating or criticizing if they feel like the shows are not operating to whatever standard they have of morality.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: It's well and truly time for Dropout to say something, to stand up and actually make a decision.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: They raised money for the PCRF after many, many people asked.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And since then, they have said absolutely nothing and continue to platform Zionists.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: So Dropout released a statement reasserting their stance on a free Palestine.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: It's a good statement, not perfect by any means, but I think it should assuage any bad feelings anyone has towards them as a company.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: You know, it is a parasocial relationship, but it's almost like a trauma bond related parasocial relationship where they feel a lot of ownership over it.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And they believe Dropout should live up to the standards that they have for it, which causes some conflict.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: And as I presuppose in the piece, I do think could have the potential of hindering Dropout's growth as it continues to expand beyond its initial passionate fan base.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Tell us about the guy behind Dropout, Sam Reich.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Not exactly a Nepo baby, but a sort of famous father?
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Yeah, I mean, in so much as anyone ever knows any former secretary of labor, they know his father, Robert Reich.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: For context on the evolution of Reich's politics, we go now to former U.S. Secretary of Labor and Sam Reich's father, liberal icon Robert Reich.
--:-- Robert Reich: If I'm being honest with myself, the trouble started with Sam when he was young.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: I gave him a toy to put in a charity bin one year, and instead he kept the toy for himself and told the lady running the drive that her tote bag had big NPR energy.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Robert Reich did not get him this job whatsoever, though obviously growing up the son of Robert Reich and his mother is also a law professor.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: He had access to a very good education, I should say.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: But pretty quickly, he did not do well with that education.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: He, you know, in the story that I tell, by 14, he was severely depressed.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: He just could not keep up with the demands of the private school he was attending.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: He tried a few other things, dropped out of high school.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: The CEO of Dropout is a dropout.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Yes. Is it named after him?
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I think it's probably named after a few things.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: One is Dropout grew out of College Humor, a brand that at least probably millennials are familiar with.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: It was a – it first started as like a website for party photos for college students.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Then it became like a YouTube channel for like – I think I say like beer chugging related comedy.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Do-do-do-do-do-do-do-do.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Yeah, you can't hack this.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: You're the wackness.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: That's right, leave your head spinning like a dreidel.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Knock your socks off and the locks off your bagel.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: That's right, see I'm winning.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Your face looks like mayonnaise, that's grinning.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Dear Kathy, I believe a good project would be a macrame owl.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Owls are lots of fun to make.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: I love your show.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Dear Kathy, every week I ask you to make an owl, and you still won't make an owl.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Now, as I have stated many times on this show, I am deathly afraid of owls.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Check it out.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Check it out.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Lesbians, bro.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Yes, dude, they are so hot.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: No, no, no.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: They're going all the way.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Yo, this is more than just a hookup, bro.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: So after a while college humor not working the company that owned them at the time iac was like our last hope is we're going to just do it a streaming service and then so you're like okay well what comes after college dropout is kind of like a cool name for a post-college thing opposed to graduate or something like that but i think it it definitely resonated to sam who is a high school dropout i also think conceptually he liked the idea that a streaming service allowed them to drop out of the sort of business rat race they were in where they're either dependent on advertisers or dependent on hollywood to give them their success or give them whatever that means so i think dropout kind of is all of those things but yes he clearly believes in the potential of dropping out because it obviously worked out for him.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Sam Reich is currently making more money than your average American will ever make in their life.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Sounds like he's a millionaire.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: His streaming service is making tens of millions of dollars a year in profits at least.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Is he content to stay there or does he want to be, you know, improv comedy's Walt Disney?
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Yeah, so financially, he has almost no ambition whatsoever.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: So as I report in the story, the first year he made no money.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: The second year he essentially made no money.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: And then the third year he made a million dollars because the company was doing well.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: He's the owner of the company.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: And at that point, he was like, I need to be making less money.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: The people at the top need to be making less money.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Then in the following year, they started doing profit sharing.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Every single person who gets paid $1 by Dropout shares in whatever profit they have from that year.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: And talking to Sam, he just truly does not feel like he needs much more money.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Sam likes running the company and steering the company, but he also mostly likes hosting these shows or developing new shows.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: And if a company gets bigger he has less time to do that
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So like he does not want to compete with Netflix or HBO
--:-- Jesse David Fox: That like not a goal I think if anything he is more interested in creating a model that other people can replicate
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Jesse David Fox has his own show. It's called Good One, a podcast about jokes.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: Recent episodes feature Jason Segel and Seth Meyers.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Give it a whirl.
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--:-- Sean Rameswaram: If you were trying to think of like the polar opposite of a show on Dropout, it might be something like Andor on Disney+, a show its creator recently revealed cost about $650 million to make.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: And yet, its creator, Tony Gilroy, was recently told this about streaming by Disney executives.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Streaming is dead.
--:-- Jesse David Fox: We don't have the money we had before.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: We asked Hollywood Reporter reporter Alex Weprin why Disney executives might think streaming is dead.
--:-- Alex Weprin: You know, streaming is going through a moment of intense disruption, which is kind of funny because I think streaming disrupted the TV industry, and now it does feel like streaming is perhaps getting disrupted itself.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: They put WarnerMedia and Discovery Communications together back in 2022 with the thesis that they would be stronger together.
--:-- Alex Weprin: Now, forget that. It's all being undone.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: This is all during the time when they were chasing subscribers because Wall Street, that's what they wanted.
--:-- Alex Weprin: And then kind of the bubble hit and they're like, no, we actually want you to be profitable.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: There's such flux in the media land now and it's really separating between the winners and the losers.
--:-- Alex Weprin: Companies like Paramount and Warner Brothers still struggling.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And I think part of that is driven by the fact that you now have really giant tech platforms in Netflix and Amazon that have just immense scale in streaming.
--:-- Alex Weprin: And at the same time, I think a lot of other players in the space are realizing that they aren't going to be that big.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And they may need to settle for something that's a little smaller, a little more modest.
--:-- Alex Weprin: And so when he says streaming is dead, it's not that people just want to stop streaming videos.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: It's that the business model of streaming, the way that creatives create content on streaming and the way that these companies make money in streaming is changing.
--:-- Alex Weprin: And that is having a downward effect on everyone in the industry, including him.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Is what's going out with a niche streaming service like Dropout part of the change you're talking about?
--:-- Alex Weprin: Because we're talking about the big titans of streaming maybe struggling.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And yet over in this little pocket, you're selling out Madison Square Garden and you've got a loyal audience that wants to pay more than you're even charging them in some cases.
--:-- Alex Weprin: I think you can draw a direct connection between what we're seeing at the big streaming services and what we're seeing in the growth of these smaller niche services like Dropout.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: You know, consumers are kind of settling in on the fact that they're going to subscribe to Netflix.
--:-- Alex Weprin: They have their Amazon Prime subscription.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: They're watching YouTube.
--:-- Alex Weprin: But those big services may not scratch every itch that they have.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: These services go a mile wide, and some of them go a little bit deep.
--:-- Alex Weprin: But a service like Dropout or a horror service like Shudder, they can really meet the needs of consumers that really care about a specific genre or type of programming in a way that makes them feel more connected to the creatives.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So it's not just that Dropout is a service that has a lot of comedy for comedy fans.
--:-- Alex Weprin: It's that they feel like they are supporting comedy creators in a way that they don't when you're subscribing to Netflix.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: When you pay Netflix your $20 a month or whatever it might be, you're not thinking, oh I so glad that some of this is going to Shane Gillis or some of this is going to Ricky Gervais whatever creator of Squid Game Ricky Gervais right
--:-- Alex Weprin: You know, whoever it may be, you know, you're not thinking about that.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: You're paying Netflix.
--:-- Alex Weprin: And whereas if you pay for Dropout or Crunchyroll, you feel like you're supporting an actual art form and the creators that create it.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Crunchyroll. Perfect.
--:-- Alex Weprin: So I imagine there you could name some niche streaming services that at least someone in our audience has never even heard of.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: How many niche streaming services are there like Dropout or is it impossible to even name them all?
--:-- Alex Weprin: Yeah, I mean, there are dozens of services that have a certain amount of scale.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: You know, typically they focus on specific genres.
--:-- Alex Weprin: Crunchyroll is pretty dominant in the anime space.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So if you're someone who really loves anime, you probably know what Crunchyroll is and you're probably a subscriber.
--:-- Alex Weprin: There are a few horror-themed services, Shudder being one of them, that really cater to horror fans year-long.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And then you've got services like Hallmark Plus, which is a spin-out of the Hallmark channel that just kind of takes those Hallmark movies that you know and love and makes it kind of a year-round attraction.
--:-- Alex Weprin: So if you have a specific genre of programming, there's likely a streaming service that caters to it, whether it's independent film, Whether it's horror, whether it's comedy, whether it's British dramas, it probably exists somewhere.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And are they all experiencing the kind of, I don't know, small-scale boom that we heard about early in the show with Dropout?
--:-- Alex Weprin: You are seeing pretty consistent growth at a lot of these streaming services.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: The challenge they have is pretty much by definition, there's a limit to how big they can get.
--:-- Alex Weprin: You're catering to a niche.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: We've heard about some of the challenges that Dropout's facing.
--:-- Alex Weprin: Maybe, you know, wearing your politics on your sleeve doesn't really function once you hit a certain tier of popularity with your streamers.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: You know, facing questions about how to grow while remaining true to your mission, what have you.
--:-- Alex Weprin: Do services like Crunchyroll or Shudder or even Hallmark Plus face the same kinds of challenges?
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I think they probably do not face the same kinds of challenges.
--:-- Alex Weprin: Partly that's just because comedy is a little bit different.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Comedy tends to poke around the edges of politics and culture in a way that a Christmas movie or a horror movie might not.
--:-- Alex Weprin: Not to say that those places can't touch on politics or larger pop culture, but just not what they're naturally inclined to do.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: You see that in comedy across the board.
--:-- Alex Weprin: At Netflix, at big TV networks. it's really tough to do comedy that can cater to everybody.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So really what you end up seeing is you end up developing a style of comedy that appeals to a certain part of the audience.
--:-- Alex Weprin: It's a niche within the niche.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: What are the challenges that people like Shudder or Hallmark Plus or Crunchyroll are facing, if any?
--:-- Alex Weprin: So the biggest challenges that a lot of these niche streaming services are facing is, one, people have to know you exist.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And you might take it for granted that people know about these streaming services, but actually they don't.
--:-- Alex Weprin: you may have someone who loves Hallmark Channel Christmas movies on TV and has no clue that they have the streaming service that can indulge them in that year-round.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So it's really a big part of it is just letting people know they exist and also having a value proposition that people feel like they're getting their money's worth because Netflix, Disney+, these are not expensive services.
--:-- Alex Weprin: Amazon Prime Video is included in an Amazon Prime subscription.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: So there's a lot of value at the high end.
--:-- Alex Weprin: So if you're kind of a niche service, you can't really have a price at that level.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: You have to figure out how you can price a service that is appealing to people while also reaching the audience that you hope to reach and engage.
--:-- Alex Weprin: And to bring this back to Sam Reich and Dropout, Sam's story feels sort of outside of the entire Hollywood system.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Did operating outside that system, if that is indeed what he was doing, sort of help him figure something out that it's harder to figure out within that system?
--:-- Alex Weprin: Yeah, I mean, what Sam did is totally digitally native, right?
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: He's a digital native.
--:-- Alex Weprin: He is not from the traditional Hollywood system.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: I think taking that ethos and applying those learnings to what he's done at Dropout actually, I think, has benefited them tremendously.
--:-- Alex Weprin: So if you think about it, the traditional studios and the big streaming services tend to do things a certain way, and it tends to be very similar to the way Hollywood has done things for years.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: But, you know, if you come from the world of college humor, if you come from the world of digital video, you realize that the old way of doing things doesn't necessarily have to apply to you.
--:-- Alex Weprin: You don't have to do things that way just because that's how people always did it.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: And I think he's realized that, you know, you can build something taking the learnings from the digital video world and taking some of the learnings from the traditional Hollywood world and you can build a viable business that can really, you know, be scalable and sustainable without necessarily, you know, being exactly the same thing that Comedy Central was back in the day, for example.
--:-- Alex Weprin: I think he's realized that.
--:-- Sean Rameswaram: Alex Weprin, senior editor at HollywoodReporter.com.
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