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--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Welcome to Today Explained, I'm Sean Rameswaram.
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Thanks for having me on the show.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Today, we're talking about a college admissions scandal that's got everyone talking. It's not about wealthy donors or coaches taking bribes, but about something much more insidious. Parents are disowning their kids to get them into college. Doug Belkin from the Wall Street Journal has been investigating this story. Doug, thanks for joining us.
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Thanks for having me.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): So, let's start with the basics. What's going on here?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): So, there's a loophole in the college admissions process that some parents are exploiting. They're giving up legal guardianship of their children to a third party, often a friend or a business associate, in order to qualify for financial aid.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): And why would they do that?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Well, it's simple. If you're a wealthy family, you don't qualify for financial aid. But if you give up guardianship of your child, suddenly they're eligible for loans, grants, and other forms of aid.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's crazy. And I have to ask, have you talked to any of these parents?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Yeah, I've spoken to several parents who have used this loophole. And let me tell you, it's a business transaction for them. They're hiring accountants and consultants to help them navigate the system and get the best deal possible.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's shocking. And what about the kids? How do they feel about being disowned by their parents?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Well, it's not like they're being abandoned or anything. But they are being treated as a commodity, a way for their parents to save money on college tuition.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's just wrong. And what about the schools? Are they aware of this loophole?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Yeah, they are. And they're not happy about it. They see it as a scam, a way for wealthy families to game the system and get an unfair advantage.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): So, what's being done to stop this?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Well, the University of Illinois has already started cracking down on this loophole. And I think we'll see more schools follow suit. But it's a complex issue, and it's going to take some time to fix.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Thanks for explaining this to us, Doug.
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Thanks for having me.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Now, let's take a break. When we come back, we'll be talking about the cost of college and why it's so expensive.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Welcome back to Today Explained. We're talking about the cost of college and why it's so expensive. Our guest is Doug Belkin from the Wall Street Journal.
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Thanks for having me back.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): So, let's dive into this. What's driving the cost of college up?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Well, there are a lot of factors at play here. One of the main reasons is that the cost of college has gone up faster than inflation over the past few decades.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's right. And what about the value of a college degree? Is it still worth it?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): That's a great question. The value of a college degree has actually flattened out over the past few years. It used to be that a college degree was a surefire way to get a good job and make a lot of money. But now, that's not necessarily the case.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's a really important point. And what about the politics of college? Is that a factor in the cost of college?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Yeah, it is. There's a lot of controversy around the politics of college, particularly around free speech and the left-right divide on campus.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's a great point. And what about the administrators at colleges? Are they contributing to the cost of college?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Yeah, they are. The number of administrators at colleges has grown much faster than the number of faculty members. And that's contributing to the cost of college.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's a great point. And what about the students themselves? Are they feeling the pinch of the high cost of college?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Yeah, they are. Many students are graduating with a lot of debt and struggling to make ends meet.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's a really important point. And what about the future of college? Is it still worth it?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): That's a great question. I think college is still worth it, but it's not the only option. There are a lot of other ways to get an education and prepare for a career.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Thanks for explaining this to us, Doug.
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Thanks for having me.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Now, let's talk about something a little more lighthearted. We've been hearing a lot about lazy rivers and rock climbing walls on college campuses. What's the deal with that?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): [laughs] Well, it's just a way for colleges to attract students and make themselves look more appealing.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's right. And what about the lazy river? Is that really a thing?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): [laughs] Yeah, it is. It's a slow-moving current of water that you can swim or float on.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That sounds like a lot of fun. And did you use the lazy river when you were in college?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): [laughs] No, I didn't. But I did have a friend who went to a college with a lazy river, and he loved it.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's great. And what about the rock climbing wall? Is that really a thing too?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): [laughs] Yeah, it is. It's just a way for colleges to provide students with a fun and challenging activity.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's great. And what about the administrators at colleges? Are they contributing to the cost of college?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): [laughs] Yeah, they are. The number of administrators at colleges has grown much faster than the number of faculty members. And that's contributing to the cost of college.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's a great point. And what about the students themselves? Are they feeling the pinch of the high cost of college?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Yeah, they are. Many students are graduating with a lot of debt and struggling to make ends meet.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): That's a really important point. And what about the future of college? Is it still worth it?
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): That's a great question. I think college is still worth it, but it's not the only option. There are a lot of other ways to get an education and prepare for a career.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Thanks for explaining this to us, Doug.
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Thanks for having me.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Now, let's wrap up our conversation with Doug Belkin from the Wall Street Journal.
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Thanks for having me.
--:-- Host (Sean Rameswaram): Thanks for joining us, Doug. It's been a great conversation.
--:-- Guest (Doug Belkin): Thanks for having me.
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