--:-- Ayesha Rascoe: Israel widens its airstrikes in Lebanon, this time moving to the north of the country. Hamas says one of its commanders in a refugee camp there was killed.
--:-- Scott Simon: I'm Scott Simon. I'm Ayesha Rascoe, and this is Up First from NPR News.
--:-- Ayesha Rascoe: Meanwhile, the bombardment of Beirut continues. Israel says it's targeting Hezbollah's intelligence headquarters. We'll have more.
--:-- Scott Simon: Plus, what the latest U.S. jobs numbers say about the economy. And more than a week after Hurricane Helene hit southeastern states, some roads are still impassable.
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--:-- Ayesha Rascoe: That changed overnight as it struck a refugee camp in the north. And Biers Jane Araf is on the line with us from Tripoli in northern Lebanon.
--:-- Jane Araf: Thanks for being with us, Scott.
--:-- Scott Simon: What have you seen? What happened overnight?
--:-- Jane Araf: Well, early this morning, an Israeli airstrike hit a Palestinian refugee camp just on the outskirts of Tripoli. Tripoli is Lebanon's second biggest city. And it is, as you mentioned, in the north of the country.
--:-- Scott Simon: A lot of the displaced have been flooding north from the south, but a lot of them still stopping in Beirut and other places.
--:-- Jane Araf: But now we're seeing a different kind of dynamic here. More people coming from the south to Tripoli, and that strike this morning was the furthest north that Israel has hit.
--:-- Scott Simon: It said it was targeting a Hamas commander. Hamas said it killed the commander, the strike did, along with his wife and two young children.
--:-- Jane Araf: And it has people here really rattled. We're in a public square. Some families here who came to escape, lots of people on motorcycles, and families who came to escape the fighting.
--:-- Scott Simon: One family had two little kids who turned to what appeared to be their aunt and said, are they going to bomb here too?
--:-- Jane Araf: So things are widening.
--:-- Scott Simon: Well, tell us about the widening of Israeli attacks if you could.
--:-- Jane Araf: Well Hezbollah as you know has been fighting Israel. The two sides have traded attacks on the border the Lebanese-Israeli border since the war in Gaza began a year ago but recently in the past two weeks in fact Israel has focused strikes in Lebanon in the southern suburbs of Beirut where it killed Hezbollah commander Hassan Nasrallah
--:-- Scott Simon: And it has continued to target that neighborhood to the point where their entire apartment complex is demolished and almost no one left living there.
--:-- Jane Araf: All of those people have flooded out of those southern suburbs and they've joined the people who have left villages in the south of Lebanon, where Israel has been attacking and telling civilians that they have to leave.
--:-- Scott Simon: Israel lately has been striking not just Hezbollah targets, but also Palestinian Hamas targets and others.
--:-- Jane Araf: And that too is creating a very unsettled feeling here.
--:-- Scott Simon: We spoke to one man here. His name was Rukad. Like most people, he didn't give his full name because they're afraid of being targeted.
--:-- Jane Araf: And he explained to us why he and his family left the South a few days ago.
--:-- Scott Simon: We came because all of Dahi and all of the South are being destroyed. Destruction everywhere. No place is safe.
--:-- Jane Araf: The Israelis are bombing.
--:-- Scott Simon: Jane, it's been almost a year since Hamas attacked Israel on October 7, and now we see Israel fighting the Iranian-backed militia Hezbollah.
--:-- Jane Araf: How did one event lead to the other?
--:-- Scott Simon: Well, as soon as the war in Gaza started, Hezbollah jumped in in support of Hamas, the Palestinian group. And it has been trading attacks with Israel across the Lebanese-Israeli border for the entire time.
--:-- Jane Araf: Recently, what we've seen is an escalation of Israeli attacks here in Lebanon aimed at both killing the Hezbollah leadership, but also going after allied groups as well.
--:-- Scott Simon: Those attacks have been widening both geographically and in terms of targeting.
--:-- Jane Araf: And obviously, that has been very devastating along that border. On both sides, civilians have been evacuated. There has been destruction.
--:-- Scott Simon: What we're seeing now, though, appears to be an escalation of even that.
--:-- Jane Araf: And for Jane Arath in Tripoli, Lebanon, thanks so much for being with us.
--:-- Scott Simon: Thank you, Jane.
--:-- Ron Elvin: In the U.S., another televised debate took place this week, this one between the vice presidential contenders, Republican J.D. Vance and Democrat Tim Walz.
--:-- Scott Simon: NPR senior editor and correspondent Ron Elvin joins us now to talk about that and other developments of the week in politics.
--:-- Ron Elvin: Thanks for being with us, Scott.
--:-- Scott Simon: Voters have had a bit of time now to reflect on that debate between Senator Vance and Governor Tim Walz. If they saw it or clips of it, do you think it changed anything in the race?
--:-- Ron Elvin: Some people saw that exchange about the 2020 election, the way Walls immediately described it, a damning non-answer, the evasive words of an election denier.
--:-- Scott Simon: But overall, the debate may have moderated some views advance.
--:-- Ron Elvin: He was sharp. He seemed certainly sure of himself, clearly capable of being civil.
--:-- Scott Simon: So, no surprise, his favorability scores, notably low since July, got a big boost.
--:-- Ron Elvin: But then so, too, did those numbers for Walls. The Minnesotan seemed personable and sincere even when he was dialing back on some of his exaggerations about his experiences overseas and elsewhere.
--:-- Scott Simon: In fact, his favorable numbers went up by nearly as much as Vance's did.
--:-- Ron Elvin: So that kept Walls well ahead on that measure.
--:-- Scott Simon: But as to the overall state of the race, Scott, we're still looking for something that might move the polls more than an inch or two in either direction.
--:-- Ron Elvin: And the same week a brief unveiled more details from special counsel Jack Smith January 6th case against President Trump including he says when President Trump was told that Vice President Mike Pence had to be evacuated from the Capitol Mr Trump reportedly said so what
--:-- Scott Simon: Why are these details being unveiled now when obviously the case is not going to be tried before Election Day?
--:-- Ron Elvin: Well, the unveiling was done in this case by the judge. In the case, Judge Chutkin, who's been reviewing the new filings by Special Counsel Jack Smith on her own timetable.
--:-- Laura Hackett: Recovery efforts are underway in the southeastern U.S., which felt the brunt of Hurricane Helene.
--:-- Scott Simon: More than 200 people have died, and that number is climbing.
--:-- Laura Hackett: Getting help to people in the Appalachian Mountains has been difficult.
--:-- Scott Simon: Laura Hackett of Blue Ridge Public Radio joins us now from Asheville, North Carolina, which is in one of the mountainous areas.
--:-- Laura Hackett: Thanks so much for having me.
--:-- Scott Simon: What's it like to be there?
--:-- Laura Hackett: Yeah, I think a lot of people are still in shock.
--:-- Scott Simon: Some folks have evacuated, some are working and volunteering around the clock, just doing whatever they can to feel okay right now.
--:-- Laura Hackett: It's interesting because every pocket of western North Carolina is different. In Asheville. Some places are okay, while others are caked in this polluted, scary mud.
--:-- Scott Simon: Some businesses are open, others have been wiped away, and most places in the county still do not have running water.
--:-- Laura Hackett: Over the last few days, our team has been driving into these harder-to-reach areas where the most devastation has occurred, just really peeling back the layers of what's happened here.
--:-- Scott Simon: I just went out to Fairview, a small valley town where they had a lot of mudslides where homes and people were lost and some roads there are still unreachable and search and rescue is still happening there as well, even though this storm happened more than a week ago.
--:-- Laura Hackett: What kind of help is on the ground from FEMA and other agencies?
--:-- Scott Simon: There is now federal aid moving through though that definitely taken longer in these more isolated areas that I was just describing.
--:-- Laura Hackett: So especially where the roads are blocked there is enough bottled water and dry food for now.
--:-- Scott Simon: Many folks are subsisting on those snacks and granola bars. Real meals are a little bit more difficult, you know, given that there's so many places without power.
--:-- Laura Hackett: I did talk to one man, Alan Dye, who has been one of the many who formed a community network in his small river town of Swannanoa.
--:-- Scott Simon: So we have not had a lot of help. I understand why, but we're hopeful that that's going to be happening soon.
--:-- Laura Hackett: He said so far it's mostly been neighbors helping each other get by.
--:-- Scott Simon: He told me about a group of computer programmers who have done rescues with their canoes.
--:-- Laura Hackett: There are also a lot of people here with ATVs, and they've been using them to deliver meals to their neighbors.
--:-- Scott Simon: Overall, they're really just willing to do whatever to help each other survive right now.
--:-- Laura Hackett: And, of course, a lot of people were living without electricity or running water.
--:-- Scott Simon: How do they get through the day and night?
--:-- Laura Hackett: Again, many people are still in shock that they're going to have to continue in these conditions for such a long time.
--:-- Scott Simon: You know, roads are going to take months, which is delaying water system repairs.
--:-- Laura Hackett: Water system repairs are going to take weeks in some places.
--:-- Scott Simon: There's still 300,000 people without power.
--:-- Laura Hackett: You know, I've met people who are sleeping at their friends' or their neighbors' houses right now.
--:-- Scott Simon: But I am seeing some really creative solutions.
--:-- Laura Hackett: In Asheville, there's a grassroots project called the Flush Brigade where people are crowdsourcing buckets and trucks and delivering non-potable water to neighborhoods, especially in public housing where people have struggled to flush their toilets without running water.
--:-- Scott Simon: Another example I saw in Swannanoa, there are instructions about how to register for FEMA plastered in paper all over a climbing wall at a playground.
--:-- Laura Hackett: So it's amazing really just how they're filling in gaps however possible in this really dire time.
--:-- Scott Simon: Laura, how are you and your colleagues, our colleagues at Blue Ridge Public Radio doing?
--:-- Laura Hackett: Thank you for asking, Scott.
--:-- Scott Simon: You know, our team has been working 14-hour days.
--:-- Laura Hackett: You know, in a week, we've shifted from our regular programming to specifically airing only the things that people in our community really need right now.
--:-- Scott Simon: So where to get water, food, updates on when utilities may come back online.
--:-- Laura Hackett: We created a blog that gives constant updates on these fronts too.
--:-- Scott Simon: And we can tell they're using it.
--:-- Laura Hackett: You know, radio has become super vital here.
--:-- Scott Simon: In a situation where internet and cell service are still so spotty, the radio signal is able to reach so much more of the community.
--:-- Laura Hackett: And people are really telling us that we are a lifeline for them right now.
--:-- Scott Simon: And it's a big responsibility, but we're proud to do it.
--:-- Laura Hackett: Well, we're proud to be your colleagues.
--:-- Scott Simon: Thanks so much, Laura Hackett of Blue Ridge Public Radio.
--:-- Laura Hackett: Thank you so much, Scott.
--:-- Ayesha Rascoe: And that's up first for Saturday, October 5th.
--:-- Scott Simon: I'm Ayesha Rascoe.
--:-- Ayesha Rascoe: And I'm Scott Simon.
--:-- Michael Radcliffe: Produced today's podcast with help from Gabe O'Connor.
--:-- Andrew Craig: Directed.
--:-- Ayesha Rascoe: Our editors were Vincent Knees, Susan Capilouto, Ed McNulty, and Matthew Sherman.
--:-- Scott Simon: Hannah Glovna is our technical director with engineering support from Stacey Abbott, Andy Huther, and Ted Meebane.
--:-- Ayesha Rascoe: Evie Stone is our senior supervising editor.
--:-- Scott Simon: Sarah Lucy Oliver is our executive producer.
--:-- Ayesha Rascoe: And a guy named Jim Kane is our deputy managing editor.
--:-- Scott Simon: Tomorrow on the Sunday story, they call themselves abortion abolitionists.
--:-- Ayesha Rascoe: They want to outlaw all types of abortions, even in cases of rape or incest, and also some infertility treatments.
--:-- Scott Simon: But you know you don't have to wait until tomorrow to get more news and interviews.
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