Tisdale v. Duff: Tuesday, January 6th, 2026

Good morning, girlies. It's the toast. It's Jackson, Claude, and we're your hosts. It's your favorite show, the fast-fired things you need to know. We'll start your day off swirly. It's the toast. I sound amazing. Welcome back to The Toast and happy Tuesday. The first Tuesday Toast of the year. I'm feeling particularly titillated because I'm sitting next to a woman with big tits. It's hey, Jax, how you doing? Oh, wow. I just wanted to keep the alliteration going. X-rated. Listen, we may be moms, but we're still, we say fuck. We still got. I like to cuss. Yeah, I cuss a little. Hey, Koji. People who say cuss, don't cuss. Don't cuss. Yeah. They're like, darn. It's like a virtue signal, right? Yeah. Like, nobody says that. Darn, darn, darn. How you doing, Jax? Happy Tuesday. It's a big day. We've got to your toasters. We've got flow over stories that didn't make the cut yesterday, but are still very good. That on any other day would have been Fast Five. Not the first day of the year when we're talking about Alex or Tom Brady. The rest of you. Ashley Tisdale, you could take a seat. Right. Oh, okay. Thank you, Ashley Tisdale. The theme of today's episode, I have a couple of things. It's actually similar to the theme of yesterday's episode. Which is the theme of the year? Yes. And the theme, there's one in Dear Toasters too. I have a couple uncomfortable, hard truths to share. and they'll be coming throughout the day. I just want to say to you, like they better be uncomfortable and they better be hard. I'm so chronically online that my bar for like what's considered a crazy take is in hell. It's literally, I cuss a little. Yeah, right. That's her. No, I actually think especially my one, I feel like, no, now I'm like second guessing myself, but I do feel like I have some kind of crazy things to say today to three people. Because I think like the only thing worse than being like mild is projecting like you're being so hot and spicy. Yeah. And still being mild. We'll assess at the end of the episode. But my three. The level of spiciness. The spice meter in Koji's corner. My three spicy takes are going to be directed towards. Okay. Ashley Tisdale. Amanda Seyfried. And one person in Deer Toasters. Okay. Yeah. Spoiler alert. We have Deer Toasters today. Yes, it is Tuesday. And we're starting off the year on track. We've got Deer Toasters. I can't wait. I get like some DMs once in a while. Like, oh my God, I wrote into Deer Toasters last night when I was drunk. Like, please don't read it. Or like, we've made up. Like they listen to Toast And so I just feel like the submissions are going to be spicy Yeah Because people are already regretting them That does happen sometimes But by the way if you did do that like we wouldn read it Sometimes people will reply to their own email being like, please don't read that. And it's unfortunate because I was like about to choose it. But we respect the sanctity of your toasters. Of course. We're not trying to give you advice that you don't want anymore. No, we would never put you on blast. There are thousands of people who want their submission read. It is honorable. like I find honor in the fact that people get drunk and like they think of us you know because people like call their exes like the person you love most in the world is who comes to mind and like we come to mind for people that's that's beauty I love that and I do think it's a good policy like if you don't want your dear toasters read like don't dm me I might not see it follow up to your email that's really good oh yeah if you sent do you know how many we get like if you send a rogue message no follow up to the email beautiful safest way to stay safe out there yeah but don't like be like writing to your toasters and taking it back oh yeah no this is not like This is all a runway for you to be like messy with your heart. It's an emergency measure. Yeah. Messy with your heart. Okay, Kelsey. Thank you. I didn't know if you were going to get my reference because it was a messy year for the heart. For your heart? So messy. Was it? Yeah. What'd you do? A rollercoaster of emotions, honestly. That's true, but I wouldn't say messiness. I would. Yeah, I would. But messiness connotes negativity. You don't want me to be messy, and I am. I'm messy and spicy. You wish. I cuss a little. You wish. I am messy and spicy. Okay. You'll see. I actually can't wait. Yeah. How was your first Monday of the year? It was actually amazing. Yeah. I mean, I was like with you for most of it. Yeah. But we did split up and you went out to dinner. I did. Salmon. That's why it was amazing. Maybe because I spent it with the ones that I love. But it was great. Gorgeous, gorgeous episode. So great to be back. I love when, I know everyone hates when we take time off, but it's always nice to come back because there's so much fanfare. When you do a daily episode, like, you know, as the days go on, it's like not every episode is going to be like 100 million comments, 100 million views. So when we do come back, those are always like a really highly engaged episode. Feel the love. We feel the love. And so, sorry, maybe we need to take more breaks just so we can feel more love. Yeah. No, breaks are necessary. I'm glad that we took one. I'm glad that we're back. I am feeling the love from being back, you know, number two on Apple Comedy. Yeah, we're charting. Feels good. Feels really good. We don't hit number two on comedy like all the time. Often. We're always top 10. The episode would be top 10. Top five. Yeah, but, you know, I'll give a little buffer. Yeah, yeah. Give it a little buffer. But number two, you guys means the world to us. Thank you so much. Thanks to our fans. Especially when everyone sort of moving to Spotify to listen and watch It true The Apple charts don really mean anything Yesterday I always link to the episode on my stories And I usually always do Apple And then I say watch on YouTube Now I only have to do Spotify listen and watch It true The Apple charts don really mean anything Like yesterday I always link to the episode on my stories and I usually always do Apple And then I say like watch on YouTube Now I only have to do Spotify listen or watch I have stopped linking to Apple like a year ago. Yeah. We are kind of the frontline reporters on the podcasting world. People don't care about it. Nobody wants to hear about it, but we'll never stop telling you. But over the years, we've slowly been reporting on like Spotify's dream of like being the number one place for podcasts. And I feel like we never sort of connoted. That's the right word. That like they did it. Yeah. They are at least 50% more. Like that's, it's the place share. Yeah. So that's your update from the podcast streaming wars to say like, we are still number two on Apple, given the fact that we're barely promoted. Yeah. It's just like one of our lesser platforms. So what's it do? Not much. I'm wearing brown. My Monday, like totally Monday yesterday. I'm like, I'm starting off the year on the right foot. I love that. And now it's like 364 more of those. Right. Right. I like, we kind of are matching today just in terms of like spirit. Yeah. Because we're both wearing. It's kind of a cream beige neutral. It's funny. I've noticed, I feel like every week for as long as I live, like my week follows the same template where like I start my Monday on my best foot. Tuesday, I'm not going to like just go do a 180. Then by Wednesday, I'm like, why didn't I dress more casually yesterday? I saw a girl wearing like sweatshirt and high socks. I'm like, I'm wearing that tomorrow. Then by Thursday, I'm like, okay, pick it up. and then Friday I'm like so excited that it's Friday that I again want to put my best foot forward and I feel like I literally my the tone of my outfits every single day of the week is the same for every week throughout Herstory and I feel that because I podcast with you like I never know what to wear because like if it were me it would be like merchant leggings all day every day but I do know sometimes you're gonna wear a collared blouse with like a gold button so yeah I have to wear I have to wear my loft sweater like I can't just be wearing my toast merch so I feel like if I had a solo podcast, it would be really different. It would be much cozier. You're kind of holding me back. Well, just know like tomorrow I'm going to get to the place in the week where I'm like, why am I dressing so nice? Okay, great. We need to just have like a text that we send each other where it's like fancy or homeless. Like what is the vibe today? Okay. But those are too binary for me. Yeah, Jackie doesn't operate in extremes. I actually do, but not those two. I would say like polished or casual. It's just a nicer way. Fancy or homeless. Okay, that works for you. I prefer the term casual. because it's like, we're still doing hair and we're still doing makeup. I don't know that those in the streets are still doing hair and makeup Are you familiar there so much actually TikTok drama I wanna keep you updated on So like the OnlyFans girls are fighting I know With their titties out The Bop House? No. So there's a girl who's a quit OnlyFans. Aren't you impressed I know the Bop House? Yeah, and you know what? I don't even know what that is. It's like the Hype House for OnlyFans creators. And so they get together to really maximize their audiences. And they're making tons of money. And do they like create porn in the house? Well, I imagine. I've not consumed the content. You haven't subscribed. But I imagine whatever they do on OnlyFans, maybe it's not porn. Maybe it's, you know, more just a little titillating stuff. Yeah. They're doing it together. Okay, so here. Rising Ties Race All Shot. I can help you. So there's a girl. She's like a huge OnlyFans girl. What's her name? I know her. You don't? Her name is Camilla. I do because she fought with Alex Earl. Yeah, we reported on a story where she like made a TikTok being like, I saw Alex Earl at Ultra and she didn't want to say hi to me. And it turns out like Alex Earl said hi, took a picture. Alex Earl doesn't know this girl and like continued on hanging out with her friends. Like literally Alex Earl did the thing. I've been seeing Camilla. She had a big Christmas party and she's quitting OnlyFans. She's quitting OnlyFans. And her next sort of iteration is selling courses. And, you know, it's never good when you get to a place where you're selling online courses. Oh, she's teaching. How to win at social media. She has like millions and millions of followers. And while that inherently like isn't bad or wrong, the course costs around between $2,000 and $6,000. Okay. Which is really crazy. Does she take her to the top of all the teaching? No. It's not a nude class. Like it's completely covered. And so now all the other OnlyFans girls are like making videos being like, you shouldn't have to pay for a course. Like here's everything I know about social media for phrase. They're all like taking like the ethical high ground. And these are all like porn stars, like taking the ethical high ground. And it's been real. And now people like not even from the OnlyFans community are getting involved and she's just being like shaded. And this actually wasn't one of my spicy original takes, but I'm going to say it too. Obviously like this is insane that she's selling $6,000 courses, but I just want to say we need to just have a moment and like hold space here for personal accountability like anybody who paid six thousand dollars to take a course from like a former only fans model on how to win at social media like that's your money and you're welcome to do with it what you want and if you're disgruntled about your purchase like i do blame you yeah also like i would say her leaving the nude world should be applauded teacher right um i i'm gonna support her yeah she'd said like she was able to make so much money i think she like paid off her parents mortgage this yada yada grandma at our house and you know she did what she needed to do parents mortgage this yada yada grandma bought her house and you know she did what she needed to do it wasn't like a long-term thing it was a means to an end yeah and i think we should be applauding her i think so too we actually read a book um at the redheads called margo's got money troubles and just spoiler alert it's about a single month have you heard about this you told me about it it's about this girl i didn't know anything about the book when i started reading it but basically she gets pregnant in college and starts an only fans and the whole book is about her like doing OnlyFans to eventually, you know, pay off certain things as a means to an end. She winds up, you know, creating an empire. Of course she does. Media mogul. Yeah. No, I think that sometimes it's just like a moment in time. And then some people don't know how to quit because all that money and they are making so much money. It's so addictive. How do you turn down like millions of dollars a month? Yeah. It's not like, yeah, it's abnormal. So she has my utmost respect. And I think I'll sign up for the course in solidarity. Let me know what you find. then the other tiktok term i know you're gonna love this actually i meant to send it to you um you didn't send it to me no i didn't because i've seriously i cannot continue to download and send like the storage on my phone like it's too much i have to find this video like i won't tell you girl meets new york city influencer you know she's like i'm an influencer she told her story and it was actually one of the crazier ones that i've seen i really need to find it um what would i search like okay you know what see this is why you acquired style it's acquired no and so the girl wouldn't say who it was and then everyone's like it's acquired style and acquired style was like it wasn't me and that's why it's like i hate i hated this video for a multitude of reasons name them and now everyone's getting blamed exactly okay i can't find the video but it was just this girl she had like a hundred thousand followers and she was like i just saw like a new york city influencer in the wild and i went up to her um and she basically said she's like i didn't go up to her as like a fan i went up to her because like we're in the same space and i was like just asking her questions about like work and you know being a part of the same community as her um and she like wasn't receptive to my questions and like you know she was mean girl and it she was like i was not being a fan like i was like i'm like her she said she said i'm her peer i think that's worse i'm her peer and like just wanting free advice right and you know she didn't give me the like attention the time of day that was required and like you and the comments were really divided of being like, oh, this is why influencers are the worst. And other people were like, girl, are you okay? What the fuck does this girl owe you? You're not her peer. She has 3 million followers. You have a hundred thousand, like good for you. But like you are not you don know her And it yeah I don know why because influencing is like a female dominated space We also supposed to like you know open up tell I made this amount of money and come here and take my this And it's like, if any other business, like it's called competitors, like no one's going to just outright like spread their legs and tell them everything that you know about the business. It was such a parasocial take. It was such a bad take being like, and this is why like influencers are the worst. Well, please share it with me. It sounds like she could benefit from Camilla's course. I feel like these two TikTok dramas kind of cancel each other out. Yeah. She's looking for how to win at social media. I have to watch it. But just when you start off with like someone made a video complaining about an influencer interaction, I just- I'm almost always going to take the influencer side. I'm almost always going to take the influencer side. I feel like everyone else, when they see those videos, they're sat and they're ready to just like sympathize with the person calling themselves a victim, but not me. I'm going to sympathize with the influencer. And really misunderstood. the the caption of the girl was like guess they didn't want to make any more friends maybe not who just goes up to people in the street and wants to make friends yeah and i found it ready about it about it she thinks that like not that let me watch it before i just had my first experience i need to her face but put the mic in the in the okay in the mic it went super viral actually made me want to cry i want to cry someone who cries easily and i have that feeling in my stomach that like I'm trying not to cry. I'm not saying names or anything but I just ran into this influencer that I just had the worst interaction with. I just moved to New York recently and obviously I'm also in the content creation space and so when I run into other content creators or influencers out in New York I feel like for me it's like I want to I'm not really coming up with them as a fan like I want to say hi to them is more like oh like we're in the same world like maybe i'll see you at events kind of thing and like i don't know deranged like i got from this girl the like looking up and down the like me trying to like ask her questions about her type thing and extremely one-sided like i just and it sucks because i i i've seen her content for a while and i thought she was a really nice person now everyone is allowed to have off days but oh Oh my gosh, I just want to cry. That was awful. Well, didn't he asylums? Yeah. And the comments were, it was refreshing to see. Let me read the comments. It was very divided You know half people being like ah mean girl energy Some of you bitches have never met a mean girl like honestly because the bar for like what considered a mean girl these days someone who just doesn like eat your ass is so low I mean, then the other half were being like, this is a really like mentally unwell take. And if you say you're a person who doesn't cry easily, but this made you cry, I just feel like something's not adding up. The math isn't mouthing. Yeah, justice for required. Well, then that's the other thing. When you don't name names, it leads people to be like, I feel like it was X, I feel like it was Y, everyone was saying acquired style um and she literally had to get in the comments being like hello this is not me i'm sorry that this happened to you but like please leave me alone excuse me from this narrative one in which i never asked to be a part of so it's like this to me this is mean girl yeah like a lot and the video went so viral she has a platform the girl who created the video she's 100 000 followers like oh my god i hate i hate when people are like i had a bad interaction with an influencer like even if all of those things happened um this person doesn't owe you anything like yeah maybe they could be kinder but like again you're a stranger like literally on the street like don't talk to strangers right stranger danger stranger danger but it's also a lot of her perception like she looked me up and down like she was just moving her eyes grain of salt yeah yeah you know your eyes blink a thousand milliseconds right seconds a thousand percent projection so no that's a no for me yeah agreed team acquired that's what's going on on tiktok today it makes me so glad that i'm not on tiktok because like those things are not real no they're not a real thing yeah in terms of like tangible things in the world in the earth that's not one of them no there's no there there there is this like obsession with new york city influencers though like there's always like viral things remember and they said the new york city influencers are boring um i'm obsessed so i'll continue to keep you abreast i do love influencer drama i don't know if our audience like loves it as much as we do but oh they do i can't imagine who wouldn't love it? Because it's literally high school, right? Like it's just the shit that happened in high school on a bigger level. I love influencer drama. I will never not subscribe. And I feel like our listeners love influencer drama too. I feel like we're always like being asked to like include more influencer stories. And here's my platform once again for like news outlets to like start writing it up because we can only report on the news that gets reported. But so much of it is like- Niche chronically online. It's like things that aren't said. Like what's the drama here? She looked her up and down. Q-Rack. So how can someone really write something like that? What's the crime? What's the headline? Right. Yeah. Or like so and so didn't like each other's photo. Like it's all, we all see it, we feel it, but it's hard to put to words when you know the girls are fighting But what do we really know And the way people fight these days it like no one unfollows each other right they don block each other they don leave mean comments it just like a ghosting yeah like a disappearing act yeah yeah oh so that's the latest i guess we should get into the stories we do kind of have like a lot to do spicy takes you know now i'm like realizing like some of them are not spicy. Okay. My one about actually just doesn't spicy. I'm realizing that now. So I just want to put that out there. But you're saying there's more spice to come. Definitely. Okay. Well, without further ado, here are the fast five stories that you need to know. And the fast five stories that you need to know are brought to you by the container store. If you want to start your year off right, get your hours to the container store. 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So Ashley Tisdale posted like a carousel of photos on TikTok, on Instagram, referencing a blog post that she had written on her website. And the blog post was titled, you know, it's okay to leave your toxic mom group. And it was just about how she had a mom group. And, you know, it turned a little bit like catty high school, people hanging out without one another gossiping and and you know she took her power back by leaving this group and who gives a fuck right like cool but it turns out people were very quick to realize that she was a part of this like very celebrity mom group where a bunch of moms mandy moore hillary duff some like famous athletes chefs people like i don't personally know but impressive people who all had babies around the same time i believe during covid um they became this like cute little mom group they had music classes at hillary duff's house and they were always like doing press you know mandy was on the jennifer hudson show talking about it so we've like known about this group um they take trips They wear matching outfits. It looks like mom talk. Yes. Elevated. What do they call it? Same, different accent. Yeah, sure. Different font. Different font. Yeah, excellent. It's like a mom talk. You know, it's good to have mom friends. It's helpful. They wear matching sweatsuits. Exactly. They take trips to the Cape. They do music class at Hilary Duff's house, but now like Hilary. Meghan Trainor's in it. Sorry, I forgot about her. Hilary was saying recently, like now they do gymnastics together. Kids have grown up together. And they've just become besties along the way. It's been like a fun thing for people to watch. And I think also a lot of people can relate to that because even regulars like mom friends, mom group. And I guess like I haven't experienced this, but mom groups like any group of friends, not like, you know, specific to moms can turn toxic. Just like high school type of drama. I think what makes it different is like these are always going to be like later in life friends. Make them when you have kids. So it's like all of those dynamics from like high school and stuff for the first time happening in like a new friend environment. Because it's based on when you have your kids, like you all of a sudden. Right. You need someone who's like came before in the same month. Yeah. Because you can relate. So she posted her blog post. I sure it was like the most traction her blog had ever seen People were like really eating this up because this picture that you have of them all wearing matching outfits is taken over Thanksgiving And her blog post came out like a little bit before Christmas So it's like we were just all hanging out wearing matching outfits. What happened on this girl's trip? Oh, that's really crazy. So the internet like went nuts. I'm sure this was like great for Ashley's self, her business, like everyone was finally like talking about her in like a fun way. None of the other girlies like responded or anything. And the situation did kind of die. It was like a fun internet thing for a couple of days. But then Ashley like was a dog with a bone and would have let it go. She wrote like another article of the same theme, but she wrote it for the cut. So obviously like the cut saw, you know, this hot buzz issue. Ashley, you know, is in the cut, wrote it again a couple of days ago. I don't know if it was the same article, but it was like the same vibe. You know, it's okay to leave your toxic friend group, people, you know, hanging out without you, yada, yada. Yeah. So this is what she said. She reflected on not feeling cool enough after being excluded from hangouts in the piece. She recalled sitting alone one night after getting her daughter to bed, feeling totally lost as to what she was doing wrong to be left out. she went on to text the group this is too high school for me and i don't want to take part in it anymore although she never considered the moms to be bad people except for maybe one she chose to cut ties with them after the dynamic stopped being healthy and positive so i think like most friend groups how many women are here it looks to be like eight eight to ten and they would splinter off into subgroups of like people who got along and then i think people would get together and she sort of fell through the cracks yeah um because they that happens to the person that you don't mess don't like vibe with the most who's not your fate like i now i don't know if you have the update like as of this morning like ashley's because then the internet really started to speculate like this is such a big you're making it such a big deal what the fuck happened and then a lot of people started to surmise that it was about politics and that ashley is maga and the girls dropped her because of that and then ashley's rep took to tmz being like ashley's not maga she's a registered democrat and this is not about this mom group that everybody thinks it is it's about a different mom group so now she's lying like there's no way it's not about this group and because none of the girls have unfollowed anyone like but as you were just saying like fighting looks different these days like you don't unfollow yeah and i just i know that this you know you know they had a chat without ashley a while ago i know that this chat without ashley is blowing the fuck up and they're like so not regretting leaving her out because like and the thing about even before all of this like drama I was not going to be on Ashley's side because I always feel that if like a whole group drops you, like you're the problem. The group is not the problem. Now, that's not like that's a generalization. Not every situation. But for the most part like if everyone says you dead like roll over And there not a good way to go about saying like we don like we don enjoy you You know what I mean It our viral sound Click's going to click. Normalize having a click and normalize like not everybody being best friends. This is in high school. No, but normalize like not pursuing close friendships with people that you don't deeply connect with and that you don't enjoy. Like I've met people where I'm like, you're a lovely person. I don't like enjoy spending the time with you and I'm not going to invest in that. Yeah. And I think like when people make comparisons to high school and when we're talking about being like cliques in high school, we're still developing, right? And so it is the right, you should be inclusive of other people and you should reach out and you should be kind. But now like we're all 30 year old women. It's exactly that. They're moms. They work. They have full lives. Pursuing friendships just to be nice is really not what 30 year old women are doing. There's no time for that. There's no time for that. And so, I don't know, I'm just getting the vibe based on Ashley's behavior right now and the fact that everybody dropped her that like she is insufferable. Yeah. Or not even insufferable, but just like not the funnest, funniest, coolest. Yeah. And so she feels uncool. No, I think it's more than that because like, yes, in big groups. And I think that there's someone that would then go one first text the group and be like, I cannot be doing this anymore. And then write like two articles like maybe they were right in their actions. the thing is with big groups people splinter off so it's not a big deal that like two or three people hang out you connect with different people but the fact that everybody was wanting to not hang out with her just makes me think that there's something a little bit deeper and more sinister going on because it's not like one or two people were really tight with her no i think i don't i don't think there's something like deep and sinister or something happened like i think she's kind of the woad no that's what i'm saying but like whoa no but in big groups like yes people splinter off but the fact that nobody splintered off with her she sucks yes she sucks but like not something deeper than that no no nothing happened but like yeah she sounds like she sucks and also if there's a group of people who are leaving me out and she said like she reached out a couple of times when she thought people were hanging out without her and everybody was like wait I thought Sarah texted you or whatever they would like gaslight her which is like so fucked up no I'm sorry what else are you supposed to do we don't like you we didn't want to invite you not an easy way to say to someone like, I don't want to spend the time with you. And so if I was a part of a group of friends that I found out were like not wanting to hang out with me, I mean, we're just different people. I would never you would just never fucking see me again. Again, I would be humiliated, first of all. And second of all, like, I have no interest in hanging out with people that do not want to hang out I mean, we're just different people. I mean, we're just different people. I would never. You would just never fucking see me again. I would be humiliated, first of all. And second of all, like I have no interest in hanging out with people that do not want to hang out without me. And that's just sort of been like my vibe my whole life. I don't want you to change your behavior and start like think remembering to include me. No, and then I'm being included in its charity. I'm good. Like I seriously, I will make new friends. I will move to a new city. That's just me. So the way that she's gone about handling this is so the opposite of what I would do. Not only like texting everyone that you're leaving. It's not an airport. You don't need to announce your departure. Like no one's. We're fine. but also then writing multiple articles and using it for attention like it's this is not a good look for ashley french whatever her new name is it's not cool in like a you know people say like not cool not cool yeah that's not what i mean it's not a cool thing to do and i think not two separate words it's not cool i think when she first wrote it it was under this mask of like female empowerment like sort of telling power back yeah take telling other women Like maybe you also find yourself like caught in a toxic cycle with this mom group. Like you can leave. Like, yeah, it's like a reminder. It's sort of like how I feel like, oh, you don't like your double chin. Like get liposuction. Like it's a reminder. Like you don't have to live with this sort of toxic thing. And now I'm feeling like that was just a veil. And she's just wanting to start stuff and like be a victim. And I can understand how when you go back to evaluating whether people are cool or not, that that feels like high school because we haven't done that since high school. But but that's a projection. Nobody said she wasn't cool. She just didn't feel cool enough. because she wasn't invited yeah right enough and the thing is there are less cool groups like yeah like z-listers the z-list moms i'm in that group like invite me yeah so yes anytime we're evaluating your coolness that's mean girl that's high school mean girl behavior sure it's also like human nature i guess yeah because you don't want to spend your time with someone that you don't connect with especially at this stage in life especially with your kids like yeah it's so personal and some people have like mom energy i've experienced this before where i'm like what's mom energy no no they have their energy as a mother is not mine of course and i'm like oh no no i don't want to be around this of course it's so personal like who you decide to be friends with later in life while also incorporating your children it's just unfortunate that nine out of the 10 celebrities who had children may 2020 are all of the same elk and mom energy and the one is not yeah if only she had a buddy. Yeah. And I saying the fact that she didn have a buddy is the biggest red flag here Not one person who like stood up for her As far as we know I sure someone did I sure there was a someone and then Hilary Duff was like no Yeah Hilary Duff runs the show and Mandy Moore is like second in command. The rest just follow. Like Meghan Trainor is like, okay, what time are we meeting? Just so you know, the tis no longer follows Hilary Duff and Mandy Moore and she does still follow Meghan Trainor. So you're 100% right. Oh, so Meghan was like the one who's like, guys, can't we all work it out? They're like, shut up, Meghan. you're too nice yeah right oh my god no i'm like this has been such okay so was my take spicy at all no but i don't know what the streets if the streets are being like really i know i feel like people are gonna say like that we're being mean i i don't think we're being mean i i haven't said a mean thing i just said like we did say she sucks and like is a woe to not yeah in the traditional sense um but she's obviously cool she's in high school musical she's a celebrity like right i She was cool enough to be a part of the group. I looked at her page yesterday. I haven't seen what she's up to in a while. She gardens. She's got it all going on. She has a beautiful kitchen and house and family. And a beauty company. So she's crushing it. But on a personality level, when it's not a match at this stage in life, oh, no, no, no. Yeah, and I do feel like the women who were making the decision as to whether or not to include her, they are sleeping soundly knowing that was the right decision. Because she's shown a little bit of a crazy side. And you know that Hilary Duff is the leader in this group. because the music classes were at her house. Well, we know it for a multitude of reasons. Like, she's the most famous. Yeah, but, like... She's the coolest one. I don't know who these other people are, but, like, someone could be, like, a billionaire here. For sure, but, like, fame... They all live in L.A. Fame is, like, the most important thing to everyone. So her and Mandy Moore, but I think Mandy Moore, like, doesn't care as much. I could see Hilary Duff being, like, a little, like, obsessed, like, with, like, you know, the group. I just feel like Mandy Moore is, like, the cool one who just, like, cares very little. Yeah, and she's a little bit older. Correct. She's a little bit too mature for like this. So she's a little more removed. It just makes me realize like this girl. I need a celebrity mom group. I need a celebrity mom group. Okay. Yeah. What about me? Yeah. It's just like, we need more. Who's not a group who like had a baby around similar time. Shannon, of course. Oh yeah. Actually we kind of do the tailors now, Lauren. Yeah, we do. We do. But it's like, we start a group chat. I feel like watching the group chat called celebrity moms. Okay. Wait. let's see of like our, cause I know a lot of our friends like listen to the toast and this will be like a test. Like who listens? But I think all celebrity mom groups like also have a couple of like normal people Yeah of course No we have to throw Dana in there like she our normie but wait hold on but she that she has a podcast so she this oh true true wait i was just gonna say one thing let see which of our friends no before that who else do you want to invite to our group and it's just a group chat at this oh the kardashians made me realize that we don't have enough group chats yeah i agree but so it's a group chat at this point and then like maybe if it like it really takes off like we could go on a trip oh my god i would love that what's the name of our group celebrity moms love it should i start it right now yeah and you have to be the ones to start it you're hillary duff and i'm man you're so mandy more okay so shannon who's ashley tisdale we'll find out stay tuned jackie olivia who else should we do this later like yeah okay like lauren elizabeth then we could also like i know which moms like had babies when i like you might talk to people on Instagram who had a baby when you did. I do. Like Lauren Alaina. Lauren Alaina. She's your mom friend. We had babies like the same day. Yeah. Yeah. And it's funny, like I have like fellow influencers who I had babies the same time as who like Raven. Okay. You know what? We need to chat offline because now it's getting like a little big. Not to be like Hillary's mom. But we are going to need to like. Yeah. Yeah. Celebrity moms. Yeah. Okay. Well, good luck Ashley Tisdale. I do hope that the right mom group finds you. Yeah. And also, so she has two kids, like one who's four. That's the group. That's how she got into this group. But she also has a one-year-old. So like maybe the friends she makes through her one-year-old's group. Yeah. Or her forever family. Right. Yeah. Right. But this has been fun. So thank you. I'm glad that like you were into this saga. Yeah. I was following it closely. And that got political. And I was like, oh, girl, get me out of here. Though I and I really don't think I can't imagine that it's about politics. Like I have more faith in humanity than that. That like women can get along. Agreed. agree on everything agreed um but on its face you know writing two articles about how you left the group like is not the cool capital c thing to do no someone in our mom group would never no she would never oh but we have to be aware of that i don't know i feel like shannon would are you ready for our next story tom brady and alex are all update tmc is reporting that though the couple sparked a lot of buzz over New Year's Eve in St. Bart's. There was no hookup. So TMZ initially broke the story of the video obtained of the two of them flirting in the club, but sources with direct knowledge tell TMZ the moment was nothing more than drunk flirty fun at the party They told Tom and Alex talked danced and flirted on the dance floor And that where it ended No hookup no late night rendezvous And for fact they told it was the first time they ever met Yeah I feel like I would have guessed that. I don't know. Someone from one of their camps clarified. And it was like, I feel like it was probably Tom Brady, because this was like, for the most part, really positive fanfare for Alex. But it made Tom look like a creep, an old man. And so I think that the clarification came from his camp. Because letting people think you had sex with Tom Brady, like, there's no sweat off of Alex's back, even if you didn't. But as an almost 50-year-old, like, letting the internet think that you had sex with a 25-year-old on vacation when you didn't does require clarification. I actually think the opposite. Of course you do. I think that Alex... You are literally Ashley Tisdale. Go. I think that Alex didn't want to be, like, thought of to be with this old man in that sort of way. And for him, like, he's 48, dating 25-year-olds, like, is a slay. it's gross well i think the people like maybe maybe someone would think it's a slight but the reaction online like was not positive frontal lobe check yeah beauty check you know she turned 25 like a week ago i think she was celebrating her birthday on that yacht she was celebrating the lobe yeah uh i think that for a man like him like that's what he's here to do now in his life and i also think you know he has got a lot going on in his mind with the football and retirement and feeling old and this makes him feel young and this makes him look young he thinks i think that it also was just sort of bad timing because we didn't even talk about like the same week that this story came out Giselle and her man got married oh they had the baby and then I think they just had like a small little ceremony like to officially get married so it's like they could not be doing more different things after their marriage yeah so it really did not make him look good this whole thing but also like he hooked up with Brooks Nader like this is his type of yeah but Brooks is 29 I don't know why Brooks feels so more mature because we met Alex when she was in college so right she's like eternally like a teenager yeah i agree but and she represents gen z like i just want you to know like i think for tom reedy like this is everything he's looking for she's gonna date leona x like victoria coretti like pack your bags your time is up you are the weakest link goodbye no but like i i hope not and i feel like for her she's not interested in old men i feel okay because what nobody's saying is it's yucky like saggy old men like who wants to lay with that. Especially when like not saying other women have other intentions, but like she's a self-made woman. Right. You know, she doesn't need. She doesn't. Money. She doesn't need any. Attention. She's got it all going on. So that's when you, you know, you got your pick of the litter. She doesn't need any money. She doesn't need any money. She doesn't need any clout. She's got it all going on. So that's when you got your pick of the litter. Yeah. Who do we see her with next? Like I personally am over athletes for her. And I'm not ever someone who's like shipping people with athletes. With the exception of a couple of people. Like they don't make good boyfriends. It's like fun content for a little while. But I just don't like it. So I think that like when she's very like, you know, Barstool Smoke Show. So I think that like she thinks she has to date an athlete, but I want her to know there's like opportunities elsewhere. And I don't, I don't want this for her. There's other industries. Yeah. I'd really have to noodle on it, but I think that whoever she dates next, like it'll be beautiful in its own way. You know, like, like Glenn and Michelle, Glenn and Michelle have taught me that I can't predict anything that I have to let the universe, let things play out. What about Zac Efron? I'll always ship everyone with Zac Efron. I know. I watched greatest show. went over the weekend in your house but you literally did not come out of your bedroom so i don't even know if you knew that i watched i did i read a showman in full on your couch i didn't know that you watched the whole thing i was enjoying a contact nap it had been a while since i've seen that movie and obviously it withstands the test of time it's the greatest movie ever made but there's a couple of things that happen in that movie that are so fucking crazy now i know we all love like the most popular song is when the shop is where it's want to come down and not enough people talk about what precedes that song in the movie which is the group of like freaks being fucking crazy like and like storming they storm the like opera party like that like high class affair um there were like literally hugh jackman's employees and they thinking that they deserved to like go to the opera and they were acting so out of control with the free champagne and everything it's like it was just insane oh and they had a show no and like they had to work it was the 1800s right like you're even applying like a modern no no no i'm not i'm just saying like strictly in a workplace situation like you are hugh jackman's employees hugh jackman's other business is having like a high class affair. You are literally supposed to be on stage, but you're storming acting inappropriate, like literally like tackling people. And like, mind you, you also have a beard. Like it's just, it was insane. And so then they leave You not the most conventional No then they get kicked out rightfully so because they have to go to work And they like in this dark corridor being like when the sharpest words want to cut me down It's like, girl, get out of here. She was so wrong for that. And I feel like the song took on a life of its own in culture as like anybody who's never like not fit in. But this wasn't a case of not fitting in. This was a case of like workplace disgruntled employees. Yeah, I agree. I just feel like that needed to be said after watching the movie with a pair of fresh eyes. And also Zendaya should not have ended up with Zac Efron. like what he did to her was so bad like being ashamed to be seen with her oh my god i could never those two like that storyline in the movie like never did it for me rewrite the stars like never did it for me um oh and but it did it for a lot of people and i feel like it brought a lot of people into the movie so yeah i'll i'll accept you know i've often said that um jenny lind i thought she was miscast and i stand by that um but i also feel like michelle williams should not have been in that movie like what was she doing why do you feel like jenny lind was miscast because like when I see that woman like I know she's not singing do you know what I mean oh because you know she's not singing I didn't even know that she wasn't singing I didn't know the whole story about Lauren Allred who can say well of course but even if you're not like I just knew when I saw the movie I'm like you're not singing like I loved you're not a woman who sings like even like her mannerisms when she was singing I'm like a person who sings doesn't move like that oh my god I have no issues with Jenny I sing I know notes I do agree with you about Michelle Williams but she holds it down. Eh. She was fine. Yeah. But it's a perfect movie. It's so amazing. Yeah. And so Zac Efron and Alex are like no. Oh right. That's how we got here. What about like Jacob Elordi Unemployed Uninspired choice. Unemployee of the year. Unemployee-ardy. Like no. Uninspired. Because like when you think of like actors of her generation like it's Jacob and Austin and I don't want that for her. That's so unoriginal. I agree. What else? Like maybe someone in business. Yeah. Like someone who's like a famous business person that like we wouldn't think of but it's hard like they're not so young right or attractive i looks don't matter to you no the in general like i agree actually money matters more just then personality personhood right status your soul like i i don't even see people's looks i just want and maybe i'm just so evolved but like once i know you i only see who you are. Okay, so on a personal level, I don't see people's looks. I really don't. In media, like I see everyone. You see them. I've got 20-20 vision. Who they really are. Which is ugly. Yeah. I understand I guess I just more evolved Yeah for sure It is what it is Yeah Are you ready for our next story Amanda Seyfried is being weird Again She thought Timothee Chalamet shout out to Kylie Jenner was for an actual foundation she says Okay, sorry, you go. So someone posted a clip of Timothee saying what he said to Kylie. Which I've watched like now a hundred times since then. I've heard her for years. I love you. Thank you for our foundation. And she commented saying, oh, not like a foundation slash charity. I was curious about that. So this reminded me. And I actually sent you this story because I wanted to talk about it because I know you don't know this, but over the December shows, I recently became obsessed with this memory that I had. Do you remember? We reported on it. We were probably the only people to report on it when Amanda Seyfried woke up one day and decided to cyber bully Ariel Charnas. I remembered that that happened the other day. And then I was talking about it on the toast. And actually, I made a TikTok about it and Ariel commented. Like, yeah, that was really crazy. They had no personal connection. They did not know each other. And all of a sudden, like. What was she on her case about? It was about working out, bouncing back after pregnancy. And Ariel Charnas has actually been really open about the fact that she's just like hella naturally skinny. And like she works out, but she eats like fine. She's just, it just works for her. And Amanda Seyfried like commented. Oh, I think actually it was a picture that Ariel Charnas posted about how she's like so proud of her beautiful body. Like her body's given her three babies. It was like a beautiful thing. And also like Amanda Seyfried and her don't know each other. And then Amanda Seyfried commented, like, it's like easy to have it when you have money and nannies. First of all, are you homeless? You also have money and nannies. Like, chill. Second of all, leave Ariel Charnas alone. Amanda Seyfried is the voice of the people, don't you know? Not my people. Not any people that I know. And so I wanted to choose a story and one of my, like, unsavory, spicy things that I wanted to say. And I feel like it's taken me a while to come to this because it's been a couple of things. This Ariel Charnas thing, which I never forgot about. Like, I'm still at the restaurant. then a couple of weeks ago she was doing press for the housemaid and this clip of her on like cbs good day morning with um gail cbs good morning hello to you cbs gail's morning cup of coffee um went viral she was being so weird like just weird quirky weird and then this i just wanted to make it known because i feel like i always make it known when i don't like someone like i officially really don't like amanda seyfried i feel like if i met her we would she would fucking hate me and right back. She would hate me. I hate her. And I've just seen a lot of things from her and I think she's insufferable. A lot of it has to do with her online persona. And what's Minji? So that the other thing I feel like she like hides behind Minji This screenshot went viral of her comment comment and her username is at m so i was like why does everybody care about this random troll like seriously who cares and then i forget maybe liz woods posted that it was amanda cypher i was like oh yeah that is her and that was her username when she became for ariel charnas too okay what does mingy like her being mingy reminds you of mitchie torres from camp rock oh no no no like her being mingy is like another celebrity being bad gallery right no i know it's gonna come to me let me know like we call them by their username we don't call them it's like they just like behave differently like their instagram is like their personality ego with a different name who vansini reynolds a thousand percent this is so vansini this is so vansini yeah because like when vansidi is on his vansidi shit he's like verbally abusing his wife on social media in like the name of comedy. Whereas like Ryan Reynolds would never do that. Yeah, I agree. It's like a terrible alter ego. Minji is like a troll. Whereas like Van City Reynolds. Sounds like a troll. Van City Reynolds like exclusively uses that username to troll his wife. Right. Whereas Minji uses her username to like troll people in media. Yeah. So do you want to break down the comment or nah? No, it's like also not a good funny take. It's like a dumb. Right. Either like you really thought he was talking about the foundation that he started with Kylie Jenner. um but like anyone who has a firm grip on the english language would know he was talking to a person because he says to my foundation it's like okay yes for a half a second you could think he's talking about a like you know the red cross but then he goes i love you yeah like he was talking to a person oh and then they cut to kylie and she says i love you back like that's that on that i actually if if she actually thought this i do worry for her like that's apprehension because i don't know how somebody could like memorize enough lines to be in a movie but not understand like this one offhand remark. So she's like trying to be funny. It's not landing. I'm just finding her annoying recently. Like she's on my list. And just so you know, like being on my list is not a permanent thing. Most people don't get off, but it is possible. Oh yeah. All the time. Sam Hunt. So there's one. 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Insurance is underwritten by either Independent American Insurance Company or United States Fire Insurance Company. And produced by PTZ Insurance Agency Limited, the ASPCA is not an insurer and is not engaged in the business of insurance. Thank you. My pleasure. Thank you to ASPCA. So I was meaning to ask you, is it painful for you? like when I flub my words during the ads. So you can't make fun of me. Yeah. That was like a really rough run. I know. And I was thinking, I'm like, it was bringing me joy. Like knowing that you couldn't. That I can stop you However you can stop the beat Making fun of word flubs does not bring me as much joy as it brings me yeah you don let anyone get away with anything minor infractions you love it no i'll make a feast off of it for years yeah so i mean parsed parsed that tells of me yeah let's get into our fourth story because yeah yeah that's where we got our ears parsed um ariana grande is going viral for adorably fangirling over layton meester in a must-see moment at the Critics Choice Awards. And I want to get your take on it. Do I think Leighton was making fun of her? Sort of. Do you think there was anything remotely unkind in Leighton's response? So they just cross paths on the red carpet at the Critics Choice Awards. Ari sees Leighton and she goes, oh my god, big fan. Wow, wow, wow. And we know that Ari is a millennial to her core and she obviously loved Gossip Girl. And so then Leighton sees her say that and she just says to the person next to her, wow, wow, wow. She just sort of echoed that. I don't want to say mimic, imitate echoed what was in layton's heart how could we ever know i like can't get a read on layton meester as a person and i think that's like hard when you play like such an iconic character everybody thinks she's like blair like blair would do this she's not blair it's like disappointing how little like blair she is blair she hates blair like she would never like i feel like layton is like a communist you know what i mean and like not that i know anything about her personal politics i just mean like blair was so like capital exactly so i just think that they're polar opposites um i don't know if she was making fun of ariana grande i can't imagine that she would be that stupid like in front of cameras in front of ariana ariana's like still three feet from her i also like this story is like eating up the internet like i personally don't care do you know what i mean the critics choice awards like i don't know i kind of have beef with yeah i don't have beef with them like i'm happy that there's like more words for people um to receive to receive and to make speeches about their partner of three years and in the critics Choice Awards gave us that right and I will always love the Critics Choice Awards for that an instance like this it is impossible for us to know what's in Leighton's heart it could have gone so many different ways and like I think projecting any like ill intent onto it is like how things get misconstrued like the like it goes back to the influencer and she looked me up and down like the farmer in the dough so I get also don't know Leighton in a personal way I agree she's not what you like assume that she's going to be. Like she's not, yeah. Like, and I don't know what she is, but I know what she isn't. And she isn Blair Yeah there like two routes to take when you play like an iconic character And I feel like she okay so like on one side is like being obsessed leaning in all the time Like very much like what Miley's doing with Hannah right now. But she's had her journey to get there. After years of rejecting Hannah. Right. And then there's people who like run from the thing. They don't want to be asked about it in press. They don't reference it, yada, yada. Reference or not reference. Correct. So if I feel like if Hannah Montana's on the right over here and on the left, like who's somebody who like never. who like hates who hates the thing that they did i would i would just say i feel like layton's like center left agreed like she doesn't hate blair but she's not like excited by it she doesn't want to like she doesn't like go on instagram and like post blair quotes as her caption and she'll answer the question if she gets asked in an interview but i know like her publicist is telling the publicist is being like let's not focus on yeah so um that's not what we want from like our our beloved characters but she's a human being and like that's how she's working through it and it is what it is i also feel like there's like a lot that went on on gossip girl like behind the scenes but i was about to say some somebody i read this in a tiktok comment so take it like with the grain of salt but somebody said that like wow wow wow is like a blair waldorf reference and then they were like doing blair so ariana was doing there and so you're saying in that split second like she knew like that's just what somebody said i also feel like ariana is like a reference queen right much like us jennifer coolidge like no but like i feel like she knows all the quotes no she's like always quoting jennifer big time magazine editor like seven rings music video yes everything and like she's so swirly in that yes yes so that could be a blair ism i don't know how it is and i just re-watched gossip girl but unfortunately we all like have to just let this go we can't assign any malice to it or even any like positivity i don't have proof either way and i also like i don't know i just don't really care about this one i can't explain it um yeah okay you know like maybe she did you think maybe she didn't but like why would she like be mean about ariana grande like being excited to see her like she's literally on a red carpet not only does that make no sense she was calling her beautiful not only does that make no sense but also why would she do it in front of Ariana? Like, why don't you wait till like you're in the car and then make fun of her? Yeah. I mean, but you're on a red carpet. That's when you're like prepared for all of that. Like I can imagine like on the sidewalk, it's like, oh, don't look at me. Yeah. On the red carpet. Like that's what we came here for. Okay, devil's advocate. Well, the opposite, angel's advocate. Like, I don't think that Leighton Meester is like a mean girl, but I also, on the red carpet like that's what we came here for okay devil's advocate well the opposite angel's on the red carpet like that's what we came here for okay devil's advocate well the opposite angel's advocate like i don't think that leighton meester is like a mean girl but i also don't think she's like hella friendly yeah so i don't know i could see her like no i don't know if i talk about this long enough i'll just like end up believing that she was saying and i actually don't i don't no i think it's like nothing it's a nothing like why would she be mad about the fact that ari was like wow wow wow right and yes like leighton and adam birdie are having a moment and they're like famous but like ariana grande is like one of the biggest stars in the world so like you would just be you would be excited that she's excited yeah only like a crazy person wouldn't i agree i if i had my gavel i would say officially nothing burger yeah no no time served we should bring our gavels back i don't know i feel like we're so evolved no not to like bang them but like we have these like shelves behind us but this is like part of our history do you know where they are probably your studio oh okay are you ready for our fifth and final story and something that i predicted the year of the crack says that 2026 is going to be the year of the crack now i said that i noticed you did jackie literally said like six months ago like cracks are in cracks are coming in like the it was like milan fashion week or something yeah i said crack is the new cleavage and now vogue is saying that as well and now everyone hears it when i said it i'm crazy no it's actually so crazy that you predicted this and if i ever felt like i wasn't relating to my fellow man this just even you know cements that even further do you feel the urge to show crack like a little window in your pant like you know that i don't little the window show a little crack no crack is beautiful crack is beautiful crack is actually whack it is and i won't be doing crack i will be showing crack i will not be engaging in crack like behavior and now i guess she's on crack Yeah. Even the references that they have here of the cracks on the runway, the cracks on the red carpet. So there's only one reference. Hailey Bieber in the thong. Yes. But that's thong, not crack. Exactly. So if we're going to get cracky. I see her crack. Oh, that wasn't even the one I was talking about. The one at the Met Gala. And that's a couple years ago. It's a really, really low back dress that does not show her crack. But where her crack would be, there's like a little fake thong. Yeah. It was so gorgeous. This is Yeah Zoe Kravitz At the Vanity Fair Oscar party That's not crack That's Tushy Her whole ass is out This is crack realized I just feel like I trying to be positive here So if it is in fact the year of the crack i don know even like the sexiest person in the world like i don want to see your ass like i just don't man woman child like i don't care yeah it's private parts you know you wrecked and i think this is another one of my spicy takes in 2026 let's keep our private parts private okay i don't want to see your ass i don't want to see your nipples unless you're breastfeeding and then I want to see them all. I don't want to see your coochie, your hoochie, your penis, your balls. Like, keep it to yourself. Okay. I mean, I think that's like a very standard take. You know, it's the story of Adam and Eve. Yeah. Put some leaves over your titties, girl. Like, get out of here. Yeah. So, 2026 is the year of the crack. Tag us if you're wearing your crack out. And I thought it was the year of the dragon. Like, I'm just so crazy. Are you ready for Dear Toasters? I am. our weekly advice segment where jackson and i just do our best to help our community i feel like our community is always showing up for us and you know on tuesdays we like to show up for them in addition to doing like the most amazing show of course make you laugh amazing merch that never shows up like you know that's not true it just takes like a couple of weeks and some people have had bad experiences but like overall like thousands are fine yeah um we're sorry about that we're like actually working no it makes us sick and if you want to like be mad at somebody like be mad at the postmaster general like right when it gets like lost in shipping like really whose fault is that yeah and i also i do want you to like think about blaming um president chi like it's a lot of him too because a lot of things are happening in china oh you think so even though our merch is made in america yeah but like we definitely get some shit from overseas and then it's made here is who some of it it's really good stuff okay so our weekly advice segment dear toasters where you can write into dear toasters at gmail.com or you can head over to our website the toast podcast.com and use a little submission box both methods are completely anonymous and we will help you out from anything from, you know, is your mom group toxic or are you showing too much crack? Like we're going to help you out. So here are the submissions for today. Hello, girlies. A couple of nights ago, my husband invited two couple friends to a college basketball game. My husband is a huge basketball guy. We even gave them our extra tickets for free because we thought it would just be like a fun group outing. I assumed that we were all riding separately and meeting at the arena. But the plot is when we got there, we realized that the other two couples had met up beforehand, gone out to dinner and arrived as one cute little foursome. There was no, hey, want to grab food? Or hey, we're meeting up first. Nothing. I told myself to let it go until today when they started posting pictures from their night just the four of them with captions like date night as if we weren all at the same event as if we literally did not provide the tickets for free so please tell me am i unwell is this mean girl behavior is this red flag that i need new friends or am i overreacting you've been used my friend yeah the interesting thing though is that she the way she described is my husband invited two couple friends so do you know these girls like or like are they going out with their husband's friend do you know what I mean like yeah it could have been like super super nice of them to invite you to dinner or this was like your first time meeting like they we do require a little more context but if you're this is just poor etiquette like you should the invitation should have been extended to you if they were doing like a roundup of the evening on Instagram like yeah there should have been a photo with you guys in it and the fact that there wasn't like we don't need to send them to jail but it's just a signal that they're like not really about you and you should take that cue like and I just want to say it actually is a signal that they're mean because even like if you don't get along with somebody when somebody gives you free tickets you like tag them on instagram it's like move on with your life like yeah even if they didn't get what if they didn't get a photo with her maybe thanks for the amazing night at jackie oh like yeah the fact that they didn't they don't know her so well so like they didn't get like i don't always like take pictures selfie but you would like if somebody brought you to like a suite okay and you've posted pictures with zach and somebody else you knew in the suite you would tag like thank you at olivia i don't know why i'm like only using our family for the amazing night yeah i think that i would of course that's just like sort of social media etiquette so the fact that they didn't like these girls are mean and they didn't vibe with you so how you react is very ashley tisdale like you can't say they didn't vibe with you when like the crime was committed before they even technically met you at the game well depending on how how well you know them yeah if you don't know them that well then we went to dinner before it's not weird but then them posting on instagram like you weren't even there is rude yeah and how you react like i i think you should never see these bitches again yeah you don't need to send a text message being like i'm not leaving this is serving me yeah why do you guys don't like take your cue yeah take your cue all right next up one of my guy friends just got married um but he's recently started kissing like making out with other guys at parties so at first everybody thought this was a joke but they started doing it more and more and the kisses turned from pecs to borderline makeouts because a few of our friends have witnessed the behavior everyone is talking about it and it's become a huge elephant in the room to say the least. My loyalty does lie with him. I do not care what his sexuality is, but I am uncomfortable not knowing if his new wife is aware of this or not Why is he at parties without his new wife It almost feels like a cry for help and not an open relationship type of thing I could be wrong Should I bring this up to him and see what he has to say or leave it alone I would say leave it alone But why is his new wife not at parties with him? How many parties is he going to newly married without his wife? Now, this is where like I had one of the like spicier things to say. And I don't know if I want to say it. Why don't you? We could always cut it out. Okay. Tell me if this is crazy. I understand that like it's really complicated to come out there's so many things like family friends what will people think I do feel like as a society like we're really evolved and like for the most part yeah they're still like crazy terrible people but for the most part it's like you're gay like literally who cares that's amazing wonderful if you enter into a marriage with someone knowing that you are gay I feel like for a while like we gave leniency it's like well he didn't know or like whatever I feel like at some point like I want to hold you responsible like that's sort of like an evil thing to do and I know like it's complicated and you're on your own journey but like to bring somebody else into that just to sort of cover up what you're dealing with like I don't know I feel like it's really wrong and so I don't know if this girl knows I don't know the situation here but like if he is like why should this girl waste her youth on somebody who's not really in the marriage I feel like she should know oh and then if it's like years later he comes out and like she wasted like the prime years of her life and everybody who's making out with guys at party and like she didn't know i don't know i feel like it's kind of fucked up i i like that take of you should tell her i wasn't even thinking of that i was just sort of going to be like let you know why is she not at parties with him right that makes me feel like they're what do they call it a lavender marriage that's something well maybe that's what's happening here and then like you don't need to tell her well no you can still tell her just to like do the thing that you would want done to you yeah i just think the fact that and where how many parties are right it sounds fun like who goes to that many parties yeah maybe they're younger but I just feel like there was a time when like men would like leave marriages of like 40 50 years and like come out and it was like there was nothing they could have done 40 50 years ago they did what they had to do I just feel like that's not the world anymore no if it's like safe enough to make out at parties right right a man then like these are this is your community and no one's like oh that's so like don't do that right sinner right yeah I don't know I'm like I I kind of feel like the grace period for that is a little bit over. And you do, like, you have every right to live your truth or not, or not, but to bring someone else and like make them be married to you when it's like not a truthful marriage, I don't know. I'm like starting to feel like, like we owe, Or not. Or not. Or not. But to bring someone else and, like, make them be married to you when it's, like, not a truthful marriage. I don't know. I'm, like, starting to feel like, like, we owe. Well, here's the thing. If he was going to these parties and making out with the girls, like, kissing his girlfriends. Right. Why is this different? And it was getting to be a little much and she's not at the parties. The whole thing is so weird. Yeah. I guess tell her just because, first of all, like, I know he's your friend. But, like, how close can you really be with a man? Who's married. Right. Like, you guys. You sound toxic. No, I'm kidding. No, no, no. But like, I'm sorry, that's not like the same as a girl's friend. Of course. That's your best girlfriend. Right. That's different than being your best guy. Right. Right. Because like boys and girls can't be friends. It sounds like this also might be an appropriate time for an anonymous letter. Do you think boys and girls can be friends? Okay. When? No, not an anonymous letter, by the way. Just tell her. Yeah. Okay. But back to your question. Like single people in high school, like. High schools, like, no. Is everyone straight? Everyone's straight. You know, because I do have like, my best friend forever was a guy, even when I was married. He's gay now. So maybe we can't actually. Right Because now thinking back like maybe it was like an inappropriate friendship We were so close but he gay turns out it wasn turns out it wasn right but i do think like boys and girls like can't be like that close and it like post call like you know when everyone's young because either you're in love or it's an inappropriate relationship like if one of you if you're both single and like best friends it's like well you're in love well if you're single and you're best friends and like you tell each other like get married that you're in love you are in love that sounds amazing you're halfway there it's a dream you want to spend your time with them you like talking to them like why the only thing left is like the physical stuff i guess like if you're not attracted to them but like most people are if you love someone as a best friend like you will find them beautiful because i don't see people exactly but also most people are like friends with their like same ish level of attractiveness yeah yeah you're friends with like a bunch of all goes no episode's all about friendships like and what goes into friendship it's the theme for today friendship it's beautiful um tell her tell i don't like this because i don't like any kissing outside of your marriage even if the they were initially pecs i don't like pecking outside your marriage how about that yes it's cheating so like a girl should know that her husband's cheating on her but also it even more layered because if you cheating in a marriage like there an of lies between you I can believe it took us so long to get to this conclusion Like we actually too sensitive No because sometimes like with dear toasters it like well is it worth the trouble Then you become the villain and you started all this. So a lot of times with dear toasters, we just say like mind your own business. But that's why I said the thing about like these. I feel like it's more often like gay men than like gay women. But sometimes, yeah, like gay women like leave marriages, whatever. but I feel like most of the time it's like gay men who live in like marriages that are lies and I just feel like in the year 2026 like we don't need to be doing that and if you are I feel like now it's mean and it's wrong and I don't know if that's spicy and if I'm gonna get canceled for saying that yeah on this one like we women we've got to look out for each other right sisters sisters you can't say screw sisterhood no we stand together we make up one big family but we don't look the same our spots are different different colors i'm such a good singer you are yeah it's really beautiful the witness thank you part of and just like be able to be a backup singer oh you agree like i have an amazing voice i've always supported your singing Yeah, I just feel like honestly being here, like it like a podcast or it holding me back from reaching my true potential Well you in front of a microphone Do your thing Okay At least you made it this far to where your job entails you sitting in front of a microphone I'm unstoppable. 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